Barack Obama And Israel: The Coming Antichrist’s Useful Idiot

God damn America just entered a radical and aggressive new phase.  But that should come as absolutely no surprise to those who a) understand the Bible and b) understand that Barack Obama is a truly evil man.

It’s almost as if Obama killed Osama and then decided to balance the scales by killing the entire nation of Israel.

Is Barack Obama the Antichrist?  No.  He is merely the coming Antichrist’s useful idiot.

Ultimately, this coming global dictator known as the Antichrist, the beast (Revelation 13), the man of lawlessness and the son of destruction (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and the little horn (Daniel 7:20-24), will come riding in on his white horse (Revelation 6:1) to “save the world” from impending catastrophe.  There will be total economic implosion, food shortages and famine, and wars – especially in the sense of “race” (ethnos) rising against race (Luke 21:10).

And, of course, the biggest and most dangerous “race against race” of all is the incredibly better war between the Arabs and the Jews.

Antichrist will seem to have an answer for all these problems and more.  This coming dictator will appear to be so effective that the world will literally worship him.

Obama is not the man who will have all the answers; he is merely the fool who leads the world into this state of total chaos and collapse.  He is merely the fool who will usher in the beast and welcome him.

The coming seven-year tribulation – which will be the most terrifying and most dangerous period in the history of the entire human race – will be initiated with the antichrist’s signing of a seven-year treaty “guaranteeing” the peace of Israel (see Daniel 9:27).  And Obama has brought us to the point where we are very nearly at that point.

Here is the story:

Obama Orders Israel to ‘End the Occupation’
by Maayana Miskin

United States President Barack Obama issued a stinging condemnation of the Jewish presence in Judea and Samaria on Wednesday in a speech to the United Nations General Assembly. The U.S. “does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements,” Obama announced.

Using unusually harsh terminology, Obama called to “end the occupation that began in 1967″ – referring to Israel’s control of Judea and Samaria.

Obama also stated that the U.S. must put more pressure on Israel to accept Arab demands. “The United States does Israel no favors when we fail to couple an unwavering commitment to its security with an insistence that Israel respect the legitimate claims and rights of the Palestinians,” he said.

The U.S. president had demands for Israel’s opponents as well, and called on UN member states to avoid “vitriolic” attacks on Israel and recognize Israel’s legitimacy. In addition, he called on the Palestinian Authority to “end incitement against Israel.”

In his speech, Obama reported that progress had been made in a meeting the day before with  Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.

Obama has pressured Israel to completely freeze building for Jews in Judea and Samaria, a plan Netanyahu has rejected. Israeli leaders have stated that many Judea and Samaria communities are within the “national consensus” regarding towns that are expected to remain in Israeli hands permanently, and that building should continue in those areas. The Obama administration’s most recent statements on the subject made clear, however, that a freeze on settlements could not be a precondition for peace talks between Israel and the PA.

Regarding Iran, Obama expressed support for both diplomacy and consequences. Iran and North Korea should be offered “greater prosperity and a more secure peace” if they agree to abide by international guidelines, but “must be held accountable” if they insist on pursuing nuclear weapons, he said.

Bolton: Israel on the Chopping Block
Former United States ambassador to the UN John Bolton said the president’s message had strong significance, particularly given the venue. Obama has put Israel “on the chopping block,” Bolton warned.

‘World Must Work Together’
Obama called for the nations of the world to work together, saying, “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility.”

“Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world’s problems alone,” he added pointedly.

Obama said UN member states had fallen short in addressing the world’s problems. Among the issues he called to address were genocide, “protracted conflicts,” nuclear proliferation, and global warming.
(IsraelNationalNews.com

With “friends” like Obama, Israel really doesn’t need any enemies.  But of course it has them anyway – numbering in the scores.  Obama has proven that he is the most anti-Israel and anti-Jewish president in American history.  We can now readily see why the United States of America is not mentioned in Bible prophecy.  Our fate is very nearly sealed.  The writing on the wall is nearly complete: America has been weighed on the scales and found wanting.  Our way is the way of Obama, the way of the Dodo bird and the way of hell.

Obama has every intention of exposing the underbelly of Israel, leaving her with completely indefensible borders, including an 8 mile-wide country that cannot possibly resist the next invasion.  Obama is literally seeking to give the Arabs the high ground so that they can murder every single Jew in Israel with near impunity.  Obama’s new borders would come at the price of Israel’s existence.  Israel will resist this, of course, but with the United States – formerly Israel’s greatest political ally – now becoming her chief political enemy, she will become increasingly isolated and desperate.

At the very moment that the Syrians have shown how truly evil they are, we have a president who actually wants to give them the strategically vital Golan Heights.  That is beyond the limit of lunacy.  It doesn’t matter how desperately wrong the Obama administration is or how many times that proof is documented for all to see.  We continue to blithely march like the proverbial lemmings to our fools’ end.

And not only is Obama demanding this of Israel, but it is demanding that the Arabs give no concessions whatsoever.  Barack Obama – whether stupidly or wickedly – has dedicated himself to the destruction of the state of Israel.  Obama has literally torn-up Bush-era agreements that were overwhelmingly ratified by both Republicans and Democrats in both the House and the Senate.  Israel now knows for certain that the United States is no trustworthy partner, and that America’s word means exactly nothing.

At one particularly asinine moment in Obama’s speech we had this:

“How can one negotiate with a party that has shown unwillingness to recognize your right to exist?” Obama asked.

And – bizarrely – Obama didn’t even bother to try to answer it as he essentially demand that Israel trust said “party” anyway.  It was as though merely raising the intractable issue was good enough.

When the Antichrist comes offering an apparent way out of this fools’ dilemma Obama has imposed, Israel will take it.  And the death sentence of the present world will be inaugurated.

Liberals in America and around the world have been dreaming of a one-world Utopia for decades.  The Bible told us 2,000 years ago that such a global dictatorship that the left is seeking would come to pass – in the last days.  What the left passionately believes will be the salvation of the human race will actually be the guarantee of the destruction of the human race (Revelation 13:1-18).  One of the greatest ironies in human history is that the left – which openly mocks the Bible – have become the primary instruments of its fulfillment.  To their certain doom.

You Democrats will one day be forced to account for the horror that you will have unleashed in voting for and supporting Barack Hussein Obama.

Take a look at a map of the Middle East:

Try to find Israel on that map.  It is so small it is hard to see.  And then look around at the Arab/Muslim states that surround her.

With all this land, it isn’t enough.  The Arabs want it all.  They want Israel destroyed.  They want her driven into the sea and annihilated.  They want to finish what Hitler started.

I can’t make it any more plain than this.  It is past time for you to choose your side.  If you side with Barack Obama and the Muslims who yearn – and rabidly froth at the mouth – for holocaust, you will pay for your wickedness with eternity in hell.  These policies are the result of a depraved moral stupidity that will find no place in God’s heaven.

At the same time, if you seek to stand with Israel, then STAND with them.  Call your congressman.  Write your congressman.  Attend meetings and publicly demand that Barack Obama be forced to abandon his policies that will result in the certain death of America as God truly does damn a nation that has become great by standing with Israel more than any other nation in history.

The Bible says that all these things will inevitably come to pass.  But woe be to you if you let the consequences fall upon your head and the heads of your children.

The beast is coming; his fool is already here to prepare his path to domination for him.  Will he take you to hell with him?

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178 Responses to “Barack Obama And Israel: The Coming Antichrist’s Useful Idiot”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    Why do you speak so harshly of the president, and of enemies? Has God not called us to love our enemies? Doesn’t Romans 13 say that God appoints our leaders?
    It’s all part of his plan, and he is sovereign over all. Instead of calling leaders fools and wasting aggression on our enemies, we should pray for them and keep our faith. God is in control, complaining about the course of what God uses for his purpose won’t get us anywhere but headaches and bitter hearts. They are just playing their parts in God’s plan for us.

  2. A Jew Says:

    Hello my friend, again. I was very upset when I saw this on CNN. I commented on the article this, “Obama backstabbed his biggest supporters, great move for someone who is banking on re-election to get his detrimental policies passed.
    What has Jews done for the world? Maintained a peaceful, stable democracy (With a stable economy). Dr. Jonas Salk was a jewish-american doctor who cured polio. We, jews, have revolutionized modern technology and medicine. Jews are among the top intellectuals the world has ever seen. Einstein, of course, was a jew.
    What have arabs done for the world? They kill each other everyday in their country because one arab is a shiite. They kill American soldiers, and other forces (European, Canadian). They suicide bomb innocents. They take advantage of their oil supply, and screw the American economy with it. They live in medieval times! I remember reading once on thereligionofpeace . com that a 14 year old girl was hung in Tehran, Iran because she was sexually assaulted by a 51 year old military officer. They called it, “Breaking chastity.” You people really support these barbarians? Don’t let them fool you, they want to get you on their side…They want to play the sympathy game to make America do what they want for them…and for what? So we can hear, when the Arabs take over Israel, that a 14 year old girl was hung? This is all you hear out of these countries. These people are not of peace. You need to see the truth. There is a gigantic propaganda machine out there turning you against what is right. In Israel 1 out of every 5 people is an Arab. An Arab judge sentenced the former president to jail….Would you see that in an Arab country? Arabs and Israeli’s already live in peace in Israel!!! Israel won it’s land in war, is America adopting a policy that Countries should give back the land they won, that people died for? Well, I guess Obama should hand the keys over to the Native Americans, they were here first. Please don’t support the WRONG side. Thanks.” What do you think about my points?

  3. Robbie Says:

    What cracks me up is the morons who use words like zionist movement and the like:

    America supports Israel – previous to this administration – because we share similar values. I dont know this is so hard to understand – we are as founded a judeo christian hence nations that have similar values will be our allies and we will suport them.

  4. Robbie Says:

    Dear anonymous
    If you had prior knowledge or saw something about to occur say a pedestrian being hit by a bus etc. would you stop and pray and make no effort to help as it is God’s will being done.

    Sorry you are smuck – I pray for friends and enemies alike nonetheless God does not expect us to sit on our asses when we know danger and evil will come to others.

    Finally would sitting by and letting Israel be wiped from the earth give glory to God.

  5. Michael Eden Says:

    Anonymous,

    So you’re already praying for your coming Antichrist, are you?

    Pharaoh was a leader, and he was the ruler over Israel. But God sent Moses to denounce Pharaoh and demand he let Israel go. I dare say that as Israel entered the Promised Land, there were many kings who were likewise leaders who were sovereign over their lands. I also think of Daniel 5, where Daniel prophetically tells Belshazzar the king, “you have been weighed on the scales and found deficient.” I think of King Saul, who was told by Samuel in 1 Samuel 13:13-14, “Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue.”

    Your fraudulent interpretation of Scripture makes it impossible to confront a leader for wickedess when in point of fact the Bible is FILLED with examples of prophets confronting wicked leaders. Here’s another one: John the Baptist denouncing King Herod – and losing his head for it.

    I have no doubt that you would have been a model Nazi, indeed. I, on the other hand, would have followed the example of Dietrich Bonehoeffer and denounced that wicked man and sought his overthrow. And you go ahead and denounce me for saying that I would have stood against Hitler. Because I’m sure denouncing YOU.

    There comes a point when one becomes a moral idiot, where “loving your enemies” means hating and despising your friends. I dare say that you have crossed that Rubicon.

    As an example, I agree with you that “It’s all part of his plan, and he is sovereign over all.” Just as I agree with you that ” God is in control.” But from that point on you seriously run off the rails. When we see evil, we should resist it; we should fight it. We should stop it if we can. As a rather crystal clear example, if you come home and find a man raping your screaming wife, I very much hope you aren’t so morally insane as to actually consistently model your ethic re: “complaining about the course of what God uses for his purpose won’t get us anywhere but headaches and bitter hearts. They are just playing their parts in God’s plan for us.” Rather, I hope you fight that rapist scumbag and stop him and send him to the place that Osama bin Laden now finds himself. And I suggest to you that you are a moral idiot if you think otherwise.

    For the record, I know several “Christians” who now angrilly condemn me for speaking against the president. But here’s the other side to that coin: I knew those SAME people back when they were angrily speaking against Bush. They are hypocrites who would never dare live up to the standards they seek to impose on others. I have little doubt that you are exactly like them.

  6. Michael Eden Says:

    A Jew,

    I agree with you NEARLY completely.

    I say “NEARLY” because I’ve known some magnificent Arab and Persian people (who were mostly all Christians, for what that is worth). It’s not the Arab race that is despicable; it’s the Arab/Muslim worldview.

    The Muslim worldview is demonic. And Democrats side with the Muslims against the Jews because Democrats have become demonic, as well. And as Jesus pointed out, the kingdom of hell isn’t divided against itself (Matthew 12:25).

    Btw, here is an article that reveals a long, LONG list of Muslim atrocities specifically targeting Jewish children.

    P.S. Please don’t give Barack Hussein Obama any ideas. He hates America, passionately believes that America (and Israel) are the evil ones, and I dare say he would love nothing more than to destroy this nation and hand it back to the Indians.

  7. Michael Eden Says:

    America supports Israel. AMERICANS support Israel.

    Obama has consistently undermined and opposed Israel.

    I just did the math, and Obama doesn’t turn out to be much of an “American.”

    When Jeremiah Wright screamed, “No, no, no! Not God bless America! God DAMN America!” it would almost seem as though he were speaking as a prophet about when his demonic protoge would one day become president.

  8. Michael Eden Says:

    Robbie,

    I liked your question, “would sitting by and letting Israel be wiped from the earth give glory to God?”

    Did God want the Holocaust? Of course not. And I dare say that every single person who had an opportunity to save Jews or prevent the Holocaust will face divine judgment. At the same time, I also think it is obvious that God used that incredibly evil act of the Holocaust to bring about something good: the state of Israel.

    In the same way, I don’t believe that God WANTS the coming Tribulation that is now almost upon us. Rather, it will happen because too few Christians actually lived like Christians and actually acted with both love AND opposition to prevent it from happening.

    We are in the age of the Laodicean church. That isn’t a good thing, and it isn’t “God’s will.” Rather, it is the result of an apathetic apostate church that Christ would just as soon spit out of his mouth.

  9. Steve Says:

    “Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong”

    — Stephen Decatur

    Elections have consequences. Obama won the Presidency. He is our President. Not saying that this shouldn’t be an issue in the 2012 campaign. Sure it should be.

    But until then America needs to support the President and this policy. EVEN IF IT IS WRONG!

    To do less makes one a traitor!

  10. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Steve

    Israel committed ‘harlotry’ with the pagan nations surround her. And as a result she was judged by God. Now Israel is the ‘apple’ of God’s eye and she was judged because of her ‘intercourse’, what makes you believe that America is ‘in the right’ and will not be judged?

    Secondly, Gen 12 tells us that God will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel. Now if you believe that God’s word in true, then America has just been moved into a cursed position by Obama.

    Obama wants Israel to return to the 1967 borders. This will put them in a position to be annihilated by their enemies. But you think we should support Obama? I think not. Putting Israel back to those borders would cause Israel to be destroyed, not to mention Israel would lose the Temple Mount, The Mount of Olives, the Western Wall [Wailing wall], and other Christian and Jewish sites.

    Obama could care less because he is a Muslim. And Muslims care not about anything that is important to Christians and Jews.

    Thirdly, I’m African American, and I do not support everything that he does, nor did I vote for him. I truly believe that he is a Muslim, and that he’s lying when he says that he’s a Christian. You know a tree by it’s fruit.

    FYI-Since Mr. Obama has been in Office, he has NEVER acknowledged the Easter Holiday. He has not made a single proclamation for Easter or Good Friday, yet he has made a proclamation for every Muslim Holiday! Now if that doesn’t set off bells and whistles in your spirit, I don’t know what will?

    We cannot just blindly follow anyone because of their racial or political affiliations. The Word of God is the Final Authority, not our political views.

    Finally, I’m very concerned about ‘my people’ blindly following this man.
    The Word of God admonishes us to Study to show ourselves approved. But I’ve found that in the ‘black’ church we just follow the pastor. And in doing so the light [revelation] that the pastor has is the revelation that you have or have not. So if he’s in the dark, then so are you if you don’t study the Word of God.

    In the book of Revelation, Christians and Jews will be ‘beheaded’ for their testimony and the Word of God. [Rev 20:4] Have you considered that Islam is the ONLY RELIGION that regularly commits atrocities against ‘infidels’, [Christian and Jews]. And have you considered that ‘beheading’ is a normal practice by Muslims and that their Koran encourages them to do so, and even commands it?

    Also in the book of Revelation their is a Global Political/Religious system that is put in place. Sharia Law is a Political/Religious system. Hm… seems like Islam/Sharia Law could just fit the bill.

    Don’t be deceived brother, do your homework.

    Valerie

  11. HL Says:

    WAKE UP ANONYMOUS! People HATED the Lord Jesus because HE told them their actions were EVIL! HE is THE TRUTH and HE spoke it. His disciples are to do the same thing. Christians should be the most truth loving. truth telling, DISCERNING people on this earth!

    “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil
    God will not hold us guiltless.
    NOT to SPEAK is to SPEAK.
    NOT to ACT is to ACT.”
    Dietrich Bonhoeffer

  12. blue.rain81@yahoo.com Says:

    Here we go again thinking one race is superior of the next. Remember the world began in African; therefore, they invented everything. And others have taken the credit in our world.

    The word in Daniel, Isiah and Rev tells us what will happen in the end before the Messiah enters and takes over. The ultimate war will be between Palenstine and Israel alone. God wants to set up his throne in Jersuleum, the area he was born in: its not about color,contro, or money…………..its fighting against darkness, principali iteis not of this world!!!!!!!!

  13. Robbie Says:

    So steve we should surrender the republic because a marxist masked as a centrist conned his way into the white house?

    Sorry not this citizen – as i believe in active citizenship and will not play the role of chattle!

  14. Robbie Says:

    and judging by your comments steve lunacy also has consequences.

  15. Michael Eden Says:

    Steve, I notice above that others have already pointed out how you’re profoundly wrong.

    Let me pile on.

    I wrote an article that details the hypocrisy of your position from the left, titled, “Nancy Pelosi: ‘Your Vote Shouldn’t Make Much Difference If You Vote Republican’.”

    Two quotes sum it up:

    Obama right after the election that swept Democrats into power:

    In Washington’s current state of dysfunction, everyone has a favorite hyper-partisan moment. House Republican Whip Eric Cantor’s moment came at a White House meeting with congressional leaders on day three of the new Administration. He handed President Barack Obama a list of ideas to fix the economy. Pointing to a small business tax-cut item, Obama said: “We disagree on tax policy.” When Cantor tried to justify his own position, Obama responded: “Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.”

    Nancy Pelosi after the 2010 Republican landslide swept her and her party out of power in the House:

    “Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi gave a speech at Tufts University in Massachusetts where she shared some ‘friendly’ advice with the opposing side in Washington. Clearly frustrated with the lengthy and acrimonious budget fight, Pelosi said ‘elections shouldn’t matter as much as they do’ and warned that it would be problematic for the country if both parties do not have shared values.

    “Pelosi challenged Republicans:

    “‘To my Republican friends: take back your party. So that it doesn’t matter so much who wins the election, because we have shared values about the education of our children, the growth of our economy, how we defend our country, our security and civil liberties, how we respect our seniors.’

    “Might the old saying ‘elections have consequences’ be replaced by Pelosi’s new version of ‘it doesn’t matter so much who wins the election?’”

    She then goes on to say that “Elections shouldn’t matter as much as they do.”

    It’s kind of funny how that tone changed, and suddenly liberals who believed in the absolute totalitarian imperial rule of Democrats because “they won” now suddenly take a very different view about how important elections really should be. And that is, of course, because liberals are quintessential hypocrites.

    But you do something different. You take the view that only the election in 2008 matters, and that the one in 2010 should be meaningless. You further take the view that in electing Obama we elected a god who is our master, and the only master with whom we have to do.

    That worked pretty well with a different Fuehrer. Adolf Hitler made the miiltary and the party swear personal oaths of allegiance to HIM and to HIM ALONE.

    Sorry to tell you, Steve, but I’m a guy who wants a constittuional democratic republic, where a president is one of three branches (remember, the judiciary, the legislative and the executive?), rather than an absolute dictatorship.

  16. Michael Eden Says:

    HL,

    Right on. Jesus pointed out that His Words and His Truth revealed the ugliness of the human heart. And so those who hated God would hate Jesus all the more. And of course Jesus also said that the hate the world has of Christians was ultimately entirely directed at HIM.

    The Jews are “God’s canary in the mine.” How a people/nation/culture treat Jews is how God will ultimately treat that people/nation/culture.

  17. Michael Eden Says:

    Bluerain,

    I’m not sure what to make of your comment, as I’m not sure who or what you’re criticizing.

    I did find it rather humerous that you would say “Here we go again thinking one race is superior of the next,” and then in the very next sentence say “Remember the world began in African; therefore, they invented everything.” Which of course would very much seem to be a claim about the superiority of the African, given that they are the people who “invented everything” leaving all the other races in the world looking pretty stupid by comparison. The fact that that’s ridiculously untrue (the light bulb, the generator to power said light bulb, the car, the plane, the train, the computer, etc. etc. etc.) would scream otherwise.

    That said, I agree that it is NOT about “color.” But it IS about worldview and the refusal to recognize God and God’s divine Messiah Jesus Christ and the fact that the Jews are the apple of God’s eye (Zechariah 2:8).

    And then once you recognize that, it is rather hard not to notice that in this “issue” with the Palestinians and the Jews, the ones on the wrong side are pretty much all Arabs.

    It certainly doesn’t have to be: 40% of Palestinians are Christians, as are many Arabs all over the Middle East. And ultimately the issue is ISLAM, rather than “race.” But that doesn’t change the fact that there are certain obvious realities.

  18. Michael Eden Says:

    Robbie,

    You don’t want to have to say, “Ja wohl; Mein Fuehrer!”???

  19. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    Way to say it, sister!

    And by “sister” I mean “sister in Christ,” which means a fellow member of Christ’s Body and a person I’ll be with for all eternity in heaven.

    As true believers who have placed ourselves under God’s covenant, we take God’s Word and His precepts. And let’s consider a couple of those precepts.

    One is Zechariah 2:8 “For thus says the LORD of hosts, “After glory He has sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye.””

    And the other is Genesis 12:7 “The LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.””

    So I am on Valerie’s side because she is on the LORD’s side. Leave the apple of God’s eye alone, and leave the land that God gave them alone.

    Or we will surely be judged by the hand of God.

  20. HL Says:

    Morning Michael,
    Wanted to pass this along. Many Christian leaders acted quickly and boldly,
    “We Stand With You, Israel, YOU are Not Alone”
    May our Lord Jesus’ will be done on earth in Israel and America as it is in heaven.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=301285

  21. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Blue rain,

    I just have to say this, you have been misinformed. Sadly, Satan has used this black/white issue to create a diversion from the real issue. That issue is our salvation. And if it were not for the Jewish People we [gentiles] would not know salvation. God said that through Abraham, all the nations of the world would be blessed. Our Jewish brothers have endured 6000 years of suffering. They’ve been persecuted, killed, enslaved, scattered, and almost annihilated. Yet they still preserved the Word and Way of God! That is a miracle in itself.

    God entrusted the ‘Oracles of God’ to the Jews. They were ‘chosen’ for this life or death task. If they had not been successful, we would be dead [spiritually], and forever separated from God. And let’s not forget that the Messiah was birthed from these people. God had His reasons for ‘specially’ selecting them from all of the nations of the Earth. He needed a people that would take God’s Word, Will, and Way to the nations.

    In my opinion they have been faithful to the task. This is what needs to be understood. It’s not about Black or White, it’s about which ‘child’ could be entrusted to take God’s word, preserve it, and then present it to the nations.

    Brother do you have any children? If you have more than one, when you get ready to write your will, you must ‘select’ the one who will be the ‘executor’ of your will. The one who will carry out your instructions to the letter after you are gone.

    Once you select that child, does that mean that you love him more than the others? Of course not. You picked the one, whom you believe will do the best job at carrying out your will. You made a judgment call.

    That’s what God did when He ‘selected’ the Jews. God is no respecter of persons, he does not love one more than the other. Remember He Gave his life to save Jew and Gentile alike.

    I truly pray that this will help you understand why we call the Jews “God’s chosen people’, we are not saying that He loves them more. Or that they are superior in some way. God lined up all of his children, and made a judgment call. He made a decision. Remember, God is all knowing and He knew which of his sons would take the Oracles of God to the nations without fail. So we must forever support the Jews, because if they had fumbled the ball, we would be eternally lost.

    Valerie

  22. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    Good points.

    I’ll add one in: John 4:22 records Jesus speaking to the woman at the well. He tells her, “”You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.”

    I would part ways with you depending on what you mean when you say “In my opinion they have been faithful to the task.” I would submit that largely, they failed. As an example of what I mean, Isaiah 49:6 says, ” I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth.”

    And the Jews largely failed in that function. One day, through the two witnesses and the 144,000 described in Revelation, they will fulfill their mission. But in history, they literally refused to be a light to the Gentiles. They saw Gentiles as God’s firewood for hell, and refused to allow them to become part of the people of God. They kept their light to themselves.

    Romans 11 talks about Gentiles being grafted in to the tree of salvation. And of course they were grafted in as Christians, whereas Jews continue to reject Christ. And look at the difference: there are 2.3 billion Christians, versus 12 million Jews on the planet today. Jews CONTINUE to refuse to be a light to the Gentiles.

    That said, even though there are – according to the stats – 2.3 billion Christians, I would also submit that Christians have largely failed to be the light that Jesus commissioned the Church to be.

    We are today the Laodicean church. And that isn’t a good thing.

    In the sense that it was out of the Jews that the Jewish Messiah came and fulfilled His mission on earth, and that His Jewish disciples advanced His ministry and established the Church – and of course wrote the Bible – I would agree with you. Christians owe a great debt to the Jews, indeed.

    And, of course, as I already pointed out, God is not done with His people the Jews (and no OTHER race can properly be called “God’s people” but the Jews). Soon, during the tribulation, when the Church is raptured away, God will use 144,000 Jews who worship Messiah Jesus to finish what the Church started. The Jews will get another chance to truly be the light to the Gentiles.

    With that limited qualification, I truly appreciate your words.

  23. Michael Eden Says:

    HL,

    Always nice to see “Christian leaders” leading and acting like Christians, isn’t it???

  24. MikeA Says:

    You don’t have to position Obama as the Antichrist’s idiot, he is enough of an idiot to take the honor all by himself. His stupidity and ignorance (or master plan) will result in a severely weakened Israel, and to two new superpowers (China and Iran) in the next five years. Make no mistake, America has already become a 3rd world nation and when Obama is through we will be the poorest among them. So the only two nations left with money, a superior military and enough manpower will be Iran (who will control the Middle East) and China (who will control the rest of us). Still the liberal Jews in New York and San Francisco will continue to love and vote for this idiot. It makes me laugh how the Jews are always saying “never again” but they put themselves in that situation time and time again; and its people like me, and my father, that have to save their asses. I’m tired of it, if they go headlong into disaster this time then they’ll get what they deserve. And if any Jew thinks they’ll be safe in America, or any other country, when China and Iran are running the game, then their living in a fantasy world which will soon (thanks to their doing) turn into a nightmare.

  25. MikeA Says:

    Valarie, I agree, the Jews are Gods chosen people and I pretty much agree with everything you said except for the suffering and persecution of the Jews. While it’s true that they have suffered, Christians have suffered also. Lets not forget the Roman persecution of Christians for 300 plus years. Lets also not forget the Christian Holocaust at the hands of the Muslims in the Ottoman Empire (50 Million Christians were killed over a period of 50 years). In comparison 6 Million Jews were killed in the German Holocaust. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to dilute the suffering the Jews have endured, but lets remember that all just religions have suffered at one point or another.

  26. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Dang, it didn’t know it was that bad. I guess I’ve been focusing on Paul, Peter, John, etc.

    Yes you’re right, we’ve all fumbled the ball. It’s a miracle that we come this far.

    Valerie

  27. glen cook Says:

    don’t be to hard on people in general. if you believe prophecy then
    you believe when jesus said there will be wars , rumors of wars ,
    and ect…; and that these things must happen. god is not willing that
    any perish so that’s why he is allowing the events to pass in which
    the free will of people have dicatated history. even job did nothing
    wrong and god was proving a point in all his suffering. a slap in an
    angels face that a mere mortal would fear god and satan wouldn’t.
    it could very well be that end times are near. but remember what
    jesus said to the disciple who wanted to bury his kin. ” let the dead
    bury the dead ” . jesus was more concerned about bringing in as
    many as possible and preaching. the events unfolding are foretold.
    we can reach out and warn people of the terrible times ahead and
    pray that they listen. and we can do everything in our power to
    push them back. but most of all the eternal souls of those who don’t
    know christ are what we can most reach. they can only kill you once
    here but those without christ will be as the rich man and lazarus.
    god wouldn’t even allow him to come back and warn his brothers.
    warn everyone who has an ear that you can.

  28. Michael Eden Says:

    MikeA,

    When I call Obama “the Antichrist’s useful idiot” I am describing what I have come to believe the Bible teaches. The world will worship the beast. Why is that? I have come to believe that the world will be plunged into turmoil and despair as has never been seen, and Antichrist will basically come riding in on his white horse to save the day. We’ll go from global economic depression, famine, wars everywhere, to the illusion where Antichrist saved the world. And the world will worship their “savior.”

    Which means that somebody has to lead the way. We need false messiahs (little antichrists) to lead the world to ruin, so that Antichrist can enter to put it all back together again.

    I think that Obama is one of those principal minions, those tools, those useful idiots that will precede the beast.

    I see you have two comments, and the second puts the first into perspective: that is, when you say “It makes me laugh how the Jews are always saying “never again” but they put themselves in that situation time and time again” you’re not showing hostility to the Jews. You’re just describing something that is really happening within the Jewish world.

    i agree with the point you are making: we have seen it for more than a 100 years. Take Karl Marx: he was a Jew-hating Jew. And then there is Adolf Hitler, who we now know was probably part Jewish. Check out what Marx said about his own people:

    http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/msnbc-adds-bigoted-to-its-bias-youre-ignorant-because-youre-white/

    Like there are two kinds of everyone and everything else, there are two kinds of Jews: there are Jews who love their people and love Israel, and will FIGHT for what they love; and their are Jews who have bought the libeal crap and as a result are ashamed and hate their people. And of course this second group serves as the useful idiots and tools of those who want to destroy Israel and help the Muslims drive her into the sea.

    It’s no different with “Americans.” There are two kinds: one who loves America and loves this nation and what it stands for and has always stood for; and the sneering liberals who hate everything about our founding fathers and the “American experiement” and want us instead to turn to Europe and be like the Marxists and the fascists.

    I stand with the true Jews who love Israel, just as I also stand with the true Americans who love the greatness of the vision our founding fathers passed on to us. And I’ll fight those leftists whether Jew or Gentile who are out to destroy what I love.

  29. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    In terms of sheer numbers, there is no question that Christians are far and away the most persecuted people in the history of the world. Millions have been murdered throughout the pre-Christian Roman era, and then at the hands of nations where the Gospel advanced, and most certainly at the hands of the Muslims.

    In terms of the percentage of the entire people, no one has suffered like the Jews. According to the stats there are like 12-14 million Jews today. So imagine the Holocaust in which 6 million were murdered in death camps!!!

    Ultimately, both the Jew and the Christian failed to be what God truly called us to be. It’s part of being finite and frail human beings.

    That’s why Postmillennialism was so terribly wrong as an eschatological system. It holds that Christians will turn the world into a Utopia and Jesus will come to a world that cheers His Second Advent. It is almost as though these people are not only reading a different Bible, but living in a different world.

    Ultimately it will be GOD HIMSELF – and neither “Jews” nor “Christians” – who comes to truly save the world.

    And God always knew that.

    It’s His plan; He’s the hero. He just graciously allowed first the Jews and then the Christians (and after the Rapture of the Church the Jews AGAIN) along for the ride.

  30. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    Good words.

    I pray all the time that the Lord will teach me the difference between “righteous anger” and “unrighteous anger.”

    I think of Phineas in Numbers 25:6-9

    Then behold, one of the sons of Israel came and brought to his relatives a Midianite woman, in the sight of Moses and in the sight of all the congregation of the sons of Israel, while they were weeping at the doorway of the tent of meeting. When Phinehas the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he arose from the midst of the congregation and took a spear in his hand, and he went after the man of Israel into the tent and pierced both of them through, the man of Israel and the woman, through the body. So the plague on the sons of Israel was checked. Those who died by the plague were 24,000.

    Now, few would interpret this passage’s application today to mean that we should be carrying spears and stabbing everyone we see sinning. Jesus came with His new covenant and His “new commandent.”

    But this passage STILL has application to God’s people today. It is part of God’s Word, and we ignore it at our peril.

    I believe that Christians need to get angry at the wickedness we see all around us and confront it. I believe that we’re facing a massive judgment because of the staggering unrighteousness all around us. I believe that the Tribulation is coming because of many of the decisions that our president is making right now. And as best I know how, I am trying to be a modern-day Phinehas.

    I want to be a modern “son of Issachar, men who understood the times, with knowledge of what Israel should do” (1 Chronicles 12:32).

    Sometimes, I know I go too far. The other side is going nowhere near far enough. It’s a balance. And the larger problem I see in Christians is that they refuse to confront the sin and wickedness around them. They just tune it out and ignore it and pretend the cancer isn’t spreading.

    The Laodicean church doesn’t bother to drive the moneychangers out of the Temple.

  31. HL Says:

    Great response to Glen, Michael. In general Christians have been cowed into a ‘nicer than Jesus’ position. Which usually translate into being really nice, not saying anything confrontational or that might offend someone. Actually, I think in many ways people have made the Lord Jesus into something He is not. He treated each person as they needed to be treated. He gave them the truth that was going to set them free, if they responded and received it. I know we are not our Lord Jesus but we are His body on earth and His Spirit indwells those who belong to Him and we are to be witnesses to His truth in the very real situations we find ourselves in daily.
    We must discern the times in which we are living and the evil and wickedness we are dealing with in people and situations. It is not an easy goal to accomplish and there definitely is a learning curve.
    I join you in your prayer to distinguish righteous from unrighteous anger and to have the right words for each person I’m supposed to say something to.
    Keep up the great work you are doing in blogging.
    Thought you might enjoy the following article.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41037

  32. glen cook Says:

    i agree with your response and it is well thought out. i’m simply
    saying that i don’t think christians have necessarily dropped the ball.
    that’s like saying that we could prevent the tribulation if we all rose
    up in righteous anger. but even judas was lost that prophecy might
    be fulfilled according to scripture and that is scary. so when jesus
    says these things must happen i look to end times as inevitable
    and time to tell people that the antichrist is a reality and they better
    talk to their kids and loved ones about the day that’s coming.
    i’m glad you have the fire for the lord you do. i don’t see another
    good period in human history before the lord returns. i hope i’m
    wrong but it seems almost impossible with everything that’s
    happening.

  33. glen cook Says:

    one last thing , i agree on righteous anger but jesus himself
    would not have thrust a spear into anyone and rebuked peter for
    cutting off the ear of one of the soldiers. he said those who live by
    the sword shall die by the sword. some of the toughest words ever
    spoken by jesus when he called the pharisees and scribes sons of
    their father and that they were a brood of vipers. and the worst
    response was probably his silence before king herod because there
    was nothing he could say to change his mind. the page in the short
    book of jude speaks about michael battling with satan over the body
    of moses and not even daring to judge him but simply saying may
    the lord rebuke you. how powerful of a statement is that. as much
    as obama seems to be heading against israel and i accept your
    anger as i have been to israel and support what scripture says.
    every single disciple died voluntarily without retaliation. simply
    laying their lives down for the truth. i wish i had that kind of faith.
    i like you am human and would rather flesh it out with many people.
    but the prophetic words of the bible are the sword that is strongest.
    jerusalem , jerusalem , thoug that stonest the prophets. we can
    do as michael and say may the lord rebuke them and then keep
    preaching the bible. i’m just careful about the scope of judgement
    as even your president omert faced rape charges. God is not
    through with anyone till he’s through with them.

  34. glen cook Says:

    they made JESUS carry his own cross
    they spit on him and jeered at him.
    they called him king of the JEWS.
    they beat him with out mercy.
    they ripped the flesh off his bones.
    they hung him on a cross half naked to die.
    they thrust a spear in his side.
    they gave him a crown of thorns.
    they said save yourself if you are the son of god.
    they gave him water with vinegar to drink.

    he still looked at them who crucified him
    and said i died for you also.

    they left him to die with 2 thieves by his side.

    one chose eternal life , the other didn’t.

  35. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Hi Mike,

    Concerning the anti-Christ’s ‘useful’ idiot. Today I saw Obama in Ireland speaking to a very large crowd. They were waving and yelling Obama! Obama! Obama! [worshiping him!]

    I also saw him at the AIPAC meeting, a pro-american Israel group. He could hardly finish his speech for the applauds coming from the crowd!
    And, even though he had just thrown them under the bus, they seemed totally mesmerized by him.

    I know that you believe that Obama is NOT the anti-Christ, and I used to completely agree, but now I’m not so sure.

    I had a dream in ‘2006 of people playing in a large body of water. [sea] There was a enormous snake that was in the water, but the people just kept on playing without even noticing this monster.

    I saw the tail come up out of the water, and even other parts would surface from time to time, but the people just kept on playing in the water, and did not even notice it. They just remained in the water laughing and playing.

    I called to my family and friends to pack up our food and get out of the area. As we left I looked back one last time, and this large serpent came up out of the water! He coiled around and stared at the people. I yelled, get out of the water! get out of the water! But they were mesmerized by this beast. As he glared at them, he seemed to paralyze them as well. This beast grabbed one of the people into its mouth and devoured him. Then he devoured them one by one. I was horrified! Remember in ‘2006 Obama was barely heard of, I had never heard of him either.

    Time passed, and I forgot about that dream, but the Lord reminded me of that dream about a month ago.

    So when I see how the people of Ireland, the Jewish community and the Black community seem to be so ‘mesmerized’ by him, I can’t help but reconsider my position.

    Lately, I’ve been looking at Obama more closely. I know and agree that he is A antichrist, but I have not ruled out that he is not THE anti-Christ.

    I need to be convinced. Could you provide a couple of scriptures regarding why he is NOT. Many of the scriptures in Daniel, Thess, & Rev, tell of certain characteristics of THE Anti-Christ, and seems to fit the bill.

    I’ve taken to watching him to see if his ‘outer’ skin peels back, and he sheds his human suit like in that TBN movie! The Omega Code?

    Thanks,

    Valerie

  36. glen cook Says:

    @ valerie & @ michael , one thing i ask you guys. the bible

    says the antichrist has to come out of syria according to

    daniels vision i think it is with the horns. back then i think

    asyria now syria. is it possible with all the talk about his

    birth certificate then that he was not born in kenya but

    syria. also jesus said a phropet can not perish anywhere

    but in jerusalem so anyone who claims to be an old testament

    sort of prophet is a false prophet if they don’t perish in

    jerusalem. i still have a feeling there is more going on here.

    more closely to that of michael talking about setting the stage.

    i think in all the grandiosity of the illuminati that 2012 will

    somehow play in all of this. but with the syria requirement

    what do you guys think ?

  37. glen cook Says:

    p.s. again , i thought i would leave you guys with a link to

    a tremendous testimony in the face of living hell. heres the link.

    http://www.faith-travels.org/articles.asp?columnid=3080

    after searching on link click on ” A SECIAL VIETNAM STORY “

  38. David Says:

    I was shocked at The President Barak Obama in his demand fot Israel to give up Judea and Samaria and also Jerusalem City. He was seen bowing before The king Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in Buckingham Palace. This act of over the top bowing and submission to The King of Saudi Arabia as The King of The Muslim Nation that forbids any other religious freedom in Saudi Arabia, was shocking and reveals that The President Barak Hussain Obama was very much brain washed into Islam when he was a child. His bowing act of over the top submission to The King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia was disgusting for any man , but especially for a President of U.S.A.
    I think when president Barak Hussain Obama bowed he revealed his inner spiritual world view about Islam and Israel The Jewish Nation.
    The shocking views of Sharia Law are enough to make any Israeli person very concerned about The President and The Administration that is pushing the Peace with Hamas and Palestinian Authority, by giving them Judea and Samaria for a Peace that is non workable. Islam can not allow a secular Palestinian State to exist, only Sharia Law Palestinian State is it’s agenda. This means Sharia Law is unfair, unjust against freedom and anti-Semitic against Jews and anti-Christian and anti-western democracy. So one wonders why on earth would a democracy like U.S.A. want to push Israel to accept a Palestinian State that could only be a Sharia Law State of Palestine. It’s so unjust and Evil to Arabs and Jews and The Western Society U.S.A. unless of course President Barak Hussain Obama want’s Sharia Law along side equal with U.S.A. Federal and State Law. The Islamic Agenda is Sharia Law and death to The Nation of Israel. I think it is every American Citizen duty to expose This President Barak Hussain Obama and his bowing in front of his good friend The King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and The Kabbah in Mecca and Medina. Why does he bow if he is a Christian President of U.S.A. ?
    Please visit http://www.cfi.org.uk
    http://www.palwatch.org
    http://www.whatthewestneedstoknow.com
    http://www.jihadwatch.com
    http://www.bridgesforpeace.com

  39. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Glen,

    That’s a good point, because the way he hid his birth certificate for sooo long, I’m still not convinced that he was born in America. It probably took that long to find someone and pay someone to forge the document.

    Also, we have to remember that Daniel, John, etc were seeing way way into the future. When they used the word ‘worship’ for instance, that’s what they did in Rome to their Caesars.

    So if they were to see a modern day political rally, or even a concert, it would look like worship to them. [american idol]

    That’s why when it says the ‘revived’ Roman Empire, I wonder if the prophets could have been shown the buildings in Washington DC, because they certainly look like Rome.

    I’ve studied Bible prophecy for a long time, and still need clarification

    Do you have a scripture reference for the Syrian?

    Valerie

  40. glen cook Says:

    @ valerie , i have been reading a book by chuck colson who was

    chief legal council to richard nixon in the white house. even before

    he ever got the position the stuff they did to get someone nominated

    is unbelievable. colson became a christian after watergate and

    heads up one of the biggest prison ministries in the world. i saw him

    speak as a christian in the early 80’s and he had all the elegance

    of someone from the white house. his command of scripture for the

    short time he was a christian was unbelievable. but with that said

    that’s why i’m not all together sold on what’s going on right now.

    it seems like something bigger is in the works and goes beyond

    any one person. did you see the picture of satans face in world

    trade center the day it happened. what ever is happening now goes

    beyond our reason and is supernatural in nature. obama couldn’t

    possibly take on israel on his own. there has to be some other

    world event or events to control the free nations before the

    antichrist can appear on the scene.

  41. glen cook Says:

    @ valerie , here is a link for you concerning the antichrist.

    http://www.lastdaysmystery.info/from_where_the_antichrist_comes.htm

  42. Michael Eden Says:

    Thank you, HL,,

    And thanks for the article. When I saw the “part 3″ I googled the title and got the parts 1 and 2

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40623

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40915

    So many things are a balance, and “balance” can feel like a tightrope if you know you’re not “toeing the line.”

    I think it’s important to understand your tendency in a given area, and then strive for that balance.

    As an example, I acknowledge that, in my writing, I tend toward being more angry rather than being more gracious. And while I truly believe there’s a time and a place for everything (including anger), I also know that I should be more gracious.

    I truly appreciate your prayers, HL, most especially because I truly believe that you WILL pray for me. That means a lot.

  43. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    I can tell that you are a true brother in Christ, and truly want to follow our Lord. I can also tell that we very likely have very similar theology on most key areas (i.e., the important things).

    With you, I believe that God truly knows the future, and the end from the beginning. And yes, God has told us what would happen in prophecy, and what God said would come to pass will surely come to pass.

    But I don’t think that it’s FATED to happen. Which is to say, I think that what we humans do – and how we act and react – is a vital part of God’s prophetic plan.

    I think this is an important distinction. So let me explain what I mean.

    If something is fated to happen, it will happen no matter what. Whether I zig or whether I zag, whether I choose the door with the lady or the tiger, it will all be the same. It will be the same whether we accept Christ and obediently do His will or whether we reject Christ and fight Him.

    God knows not only what we WILL DO, but what We WOULD DO (or what we would have done).

    Our actions matter. God knows which choice we will make. If the human race repented and welcomed Christ, God would treat humanity different. But God knew what we would do and how we would choose.

    I believe that ultimately, the beast will come, and the tribulation will occur, and Christ will rapture His church and then return with it as King of kings (just as the Bible says). But I also believe that this will be the result of human depravity, along with the church’s failure to fulfill the Great Commission. A great many of the prophecies that God gave describe conditions or policies that would come to pass in the last days. Humans COULD have acted differently, but God knew that there would come a time when they would NOT; He knew what we WOULD DO.

    I get angry because I see the policies that we are pursuing, and I see how they in fact line up with prophecy and push us toward the end – the beast, the tribulation, the end of days – and I know it didn’t have to be this way.

    Take the situation we’re talking about here: Obama pushing Israel toward unsustainable borders (I know he’s walked it back, but he can’t take back the effect his words had on Israel and on the Palestinians). We know from prophecy that Israel will ultimately sign a seven year covenant with the Antichrist; but what I am claiming is that Obama’s abandoning previous US policy, and essentially turning on Israel, will force Israel to make that covenant with Antichrist. Where else will they go? Who else will they be able to turn to? Obama has just demonstrated that the United States cannot be trusted, and he just established the minimum Palestinian bargaining posture (the VERY LEAST the Palestinians will accept from the very outset will be a return to the 1967 borders).

    God knew what Obama would do. But Obama didn’t HAVE to do it. Rather, Obama CHOSE to do it, and God knew what Obama would do. Obama is responsible for his actions, just as God will hold Antichrist responsible for his actions (by throwing him alive into the lake of fire).

    My anger comes from my belief that I’m watching the very policies that will lead us into the tribulation right now, just as someone alive in the 1930s could watch the policies that would lead to Word War II and the Holocaust.

  44. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen (response to second comment at 4:43 pm),

    I believe that God approved of what Phineas did, which is to say that had Jesus been in that situation He WOULD have thrust His spear through the Israelite man and his harlot. Remember that God was judging the people with a terrible plague, and Phineas’ action saved the day for Israel.

    That said, I agree with you that in Jesus’ ministry, in the situations that He faced, He did not come to kill, but to heal.

    But a couple of things to keep in mind: 1) Jesus spoke more about hell than anyone else in the Bible http://randyalcorn.blogspot.com/2010/01/dismiss-hell-dismiss-jesus.html. The judgment on the wicked is real. And 2) the Bible warns about a very real coming wrath. The Bible prophesies in Revelation 14:14-20 that a time of incredible judgment is coming. And take heed of Jesus’ role in this coming violent judgment:

    (Vs 14) Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man (i.e., Jesus), having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand…. (vs 16) Then He who sat on the cloud (i.e., Jesus) swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped… (Vs 19) So the angel swung His sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. (Vs 20) And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horse’s bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.”

    When Jesus returns it won’t be with the warm fuzzies. There will be wrath piled on top of wrath. Consider the verses immediately following the famous words of Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords:

    Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.” And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.” — Revelation 19:17-21

    Jesus will return with shocking violence. And HE will be the avenging God who brings that violence and destruction. There is another side to Christ that the Bible also teaches; that of the divine warrior who slaughters God’s enemies and who judges with hell. We need to understand that balanced perspective of Jesus.

    All that said, I’m not advocating violence. I’m not suggesting that Christians should be spearing people or engaging in slaughters that will fill the earth with blood to the horses’ bridles. That certainly isn’t my message.

    But I think of Jesus confronting the leaders of His day and asking them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” (Matthew 3:7). And the Old Testament is filled with prophets who confronted terrible leaders and told them what was coming.

    What is interesting is that only GOD’S PEOPLE, ONLY ISRAEL, ONLY THE PROPHETS, in ALL of the ancient world, so confronted kings and pharaohs and told them they were wrong to their faces. In Egypt, you weren’t even allowed to LOOK at Pharaoh!!! But Moses looked him right in the eye.

    Jesus said –

    “For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.” — Mark 8:38

    The question becomes, how then do we live in an adulterous and sinful generation? How do we confront it?

    What is fascinating about the answer is that I am one who believes that the man who turns the other cheek to the terrorist acts according to God’s will; but I also believe the Navy SEAL who splatters the brains of that same terrorist against the wall two seconds later acts according to God’s will. And that isn’t contradictory, because God is dealing with different people in different ways that are both consistent with His very consistent character.

  45. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen, I don’t have time to read it now, but http://www.faith-travels.org/articles.asp?columnid=3080 looks like a good read. I look forward to it.

  46. Michael Eden Says:

    David,

    I agree with you. It is the height of moral idiocy to side with Islam and with the proponents of terrorism and holocaust.

    The left has been doing precisely that for years.

    There are those who say, “The Arabs have the oil, so screw Israel.’

    But they are thinking as moral relativists who frankly could care less about right and wrong, or the will of God and God’s coming judgment for harming His people.

  47. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen (in response to your 11:56 am comment),

    You’re speaking of Daniel 9:24-27.

    “… and the people of the prince who is to come [the antichrist] will destroy the city and the sanctuary.”

    This refers to the Romans. Messiah would present Himself and be killed (cut off). And right after that the people of the antichrist would destroy the Temple and Jerusalem.

    That happened in AD 70.

    Which is why I believe the Antichrist will be of Roman ancestry.

    I do not believe Obama is the Antichrist; but I DO believe he is one of the false messiahs Jesus warned us about. And I believe these false messiahs would pave the way for the ULTIMATE false messiah by imploding the world’s economic system and plunging it into chaos (so the Antichrist could come riding in to save the day on his white horse).

    I don’t know what role the Illumanati will play. Nor do I know what role the Catholic Church or the Pope (often identified with Rome) will play.

  48. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    You reminded me of an article I wrote the month before Obama was elected president:

    Barack Obama Proclaimed As “The Messiah” – The Beast Is Coming

    I don’t think there is any question that Obama is a false messiah.

    You also remind me of a passage from Acts:

    On an appointed day Herod, having put on his royal apparel, took his seat on the rostrum and began delivering an address to them. The people kept crying out, “The voice of a god and not of a man!” — Acts 12:21-22

    For the record, Herod was NOT a good guy.

  49. glen cook Says:

    @ michael , you certainly have the fire of the lord in your soul and

    haven’t given up on one person making a difference. may the

    Lord be with you. I hope if we ever let Israel down as a country

    to the point of them being defenseless that I die in that land

    standing with them. I would rather walk those streets and die

    there than anywhere else in the world if that’s what it came to.

    Sometimes i think of a joke someone said : Satan was mocking

    Jesus as he was being crucified. Jesus replied don’t worry , I

    Know the Judge and he’ll be back soon.

  50. Robbie Says:

    i fear not for israel survival as they will – with or without this administration – her neighbors ought not mistake kindness for weakness – it is extremely unfortunate that muslims only respect overwhelming defeat (excluding israel) – which is what our foreign policy with regards to terror nations should be period.

  51. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Glen,

    Thanks for the website, I’ll check it out.

    Valerie

  52. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    I love the vision of Jesus coming back as Judge and king!
    And, I will read “The beast is coming” article.

    Thanks,

    Valerie

  53. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    I read you article regarding Obama’s affiliation with the Nation of Islam.
    The fact that the main stream media literally hid this information from the public is astounding. I remember Hannity tried to sound the alarm, but he came across too strong and turned a lot of us off. He seemed racist and extreme.

    He got on my nerves, and I stopped watching him for a little while.

    As Christians, we are admonished to speak the truth, but we must be careful to speak the truth ‘in love.’ I wish that this information regarding Obama could have been presented differently.

    From the time that Obama bowed down to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, I’ve been completely turned off to him.

    Bowing down, and almost to the ground was definitely a sign that we were in trouble. I agree with David, it was disgusting. How could a U.S. president bow down to a man? It made him and us look weak.

    Anyhow, I’ll keep my eyes open regarding him. We must all be watchful and sober in these last days.

    Valerie

  54. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    I share your desire for Israel AND your fire for Christ is these last days.

    Somewhere I wrote in an article about what I believe is this present administration abandoning Israel that it might be that our U.S. military personnel – the most powerful and experienced warriors in the history of armed warfare – would come to Israel’s aid on their own.

    How did the first Crusades begin? With Islam threatening the Holy Land and the Byzantine Empire asking the Christians in the West for help. Muslims still blame us for that one, but they started it, and they’re trying to start another one, now.

    I’m a former soldier myself. I can’t do much physically anymore, but I could drive a truck. I would go if they would have me, too.

    Ultimately, the Bible teaches that God WILL HIMSELF defend and protect Israel.

  55. Michael Eden Says:

    Robbie,

    I agree that Israel will ultimately survive. The Bible assures us of it. When all the nations are gathered against Israel at Armageddon, that will be the moment that Jesus will personally appear as King of kings. And the blood of God’s (and Israel’s) enemies will flow to the horses’ bridles.

    We are seeing the beginning of this worldwide invasion as we speak. Obama is pointing out that the U.S. is an untrustworthy ally, and the U.N. is itching to globally condemn Israel (again).

  56. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    The Old Testament taught that Messiah would be a suffering Servant (especially Isaiah 53) AND a conquering King. Many Jews explained this by claiming there would be TWO Messiahs.

    Of course there is only one – and the seeming paradox of a suffering and yet conquering Messiah is resolved in the SAME Messiah coming once to deal with our sin and then again as King of kings to assume the throne He proved He deserved in the first advent.

    Jesus is the glorious Eternal King of the Universe. One day He will glorify us so that we may rule and reign with Him, but it will ALWAYS be our heart’s desire to throw down our crowns and worship He who made our joy possible.

  57. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie (to your comment at 3:54),

    Please note that I’m NOT claiming that Obama is a Muslim (because I have no idea what he is).

    But he has demonstrated that he has an ideological affinity for radical Islam and what it stands for.

    P.S. as I understand it, Obama has been caught bowing AGAIN in England.

    P.P.S. George Washington fought nearly to the death so that no American leader would ever have to do that again…

  58. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    I had this prophetic word in ‘2005 right after the forced removal of the Jews from the Gaza Strip. I watched as the Jewish military removed the Jewish people from their homes and businesses. It was very disturbing and I prayed intently for them.

    That night after prayer, sometime in the early morning hours I had this word:

    “Cry and Lament for the House of Israel, for as the land has been taken from My people, My heritage Israel, so shall your land be taken from you! Cry aloud, call for the prophets. Cry aloud for the prophets of old, to speak forth My words. For judgment has come, has come to the whole house of Israel. Israel’s land is taken, is taken, so shall your land be taken from you, saith God. Cry aloud, weep and mourn for the appointed time has come.

    [three days later Katrina hit the shores of Louisiana and Mississippi]

    I feel that that word applies to America now. These ‘whirlwinds’ are hitting the U.S. state after state, ‘taking’ our land. We can do nothing but watch in fear and awe at the power of God. America is losing land from tornadoes, hurricanes, and floods, and truly believe an earthquake is next.

    Now because of the back lash from both the Democrats and the Republicans President Obama is backtracking on his statements regarding the 1967 borders.

    But I know that he is NOT sincere, because in his heart he does not care about Israel. His Israeli policy along with many other policies have had an adverse affect on us in the United States.

    With Obama still in the White House, what can we do to lesson the intensity of these judgments? I believe these ‘Whirlwinds’ are a direct result of his policies toward Israel, and I also believe that the word God gave in ’05 applies today as well. Obama’s policies are killing us, what say you?

    Valerie

  59. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    The thing that most leaps out to me is that God doesn’t really care if the president is a conservative or a liberal.

    And decent, morally consistent people don’t care either.

    To the extent that a Republican president wants to throw Israel under the bus, then we should cry out against him and force him to back off. And the same with a Democrat president.

  60. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Michael (to your comment at 1:42)

    I’m almost 99.9% positive that he’s a Muslim. My sister converted to The Nation of Islam years ago, and it’s been ‘spiritual warfare’ between us ever since.

    I’ve been praying for my sister for over 30 years!

    So I have some experience with this false religion/cult. Though Obama ‘claims’ to be a Christian, his very actions and the people that he associates with, tell the tale. He hangs out with Jeremiah Wright, Luis Farrakhan, Cornel West, and Willie Borrow who is a member of Obama’s so-called Faith Outreach Team.

    As a Christian would you hang out with any of these jokers?

    Secondly,
    I don’t believe that anyone who is a true follower of Christ would bow down to a Islamic Leader. Remember, actions speak a whole lot louder than words.

    My sister is so deceived that she e-mailed me this past October, informing me that Jesus is NOT God. Over the years, you can see what I’ve had to deal with. Islam is the most anti-Christ [demon inspired] religion in the world. In my opinion, it was hatched right from the pit of Hell. And I’m not afraid to say it.

    My sister was my ‘best’ friend from my childhood through college. But after she married and moved to California she got ‘seduced’ into this cult. It’s been devastating to our relationship and my family. So if I come across real hard where Islam is concerned this is why. If it seems like I don’t like Muslims, it’s because this insidious religion hits too close to home. Don’t get me wrong, I will tell them about Jesus just like anyone else, but I am very aware that there is a spiritual aspect to this religion. [an evil spirit aspect]

    As for Obama bowing down AGAIN, that news leaves me speechless and appalled. What has American put in the White House?

    Valerie

  61. glen cook Says:

    Just remember guys & gals, that JESUS is glorified when any

    sinner accepts his work on the cross. If even someone such as

    Obama is saved then Christ is all the more glorified and his saving

    grace becomes more exalted. I’m not saying don’t sound the

    alarm but don’t count GOD out on anything till it’s over. Christ

    died for the worst of sinners and as the great apostle Paul said

    I’m chief of all. He persecuted the Christians horribly. Then look

    what he became. I still have hope that this president might

    stand up for the truth. But his job is not easy at all balancing a

    Muslim and Irish and whatever heritage. I pray that as the bible

    says ” God is not willing that any perish ” and that God can work

    his good through all this till the end. I pray he will strike President

    Obama down the same way he did the apostle Paul and give him

    a vision for this nation. I know it doesn’t mean it will come to

    pass but The Lord is Great and his salvation is even greater.

  62. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Glen,

    Thank God for the love of God that is in your heart.

    I’m just having a hard time believing God for Obama’s salvation when over 500 people died over the weekend because of his anti-christ policies. From the moment he ‘threatened’ Israel, we’ve had an acceleration in Whirlwinds [tornadoes] ‘cutting our land to pieces”
    [Zech 12: 1-3]

    I went to bed crying and praying last night after seeing the destruction all over the southeast. The loss of lives, and the loss of homes is heartbreaking.

    A man lost two of his children, and his wife is pregnant AND in critical condition. I cried again today while folding my laundry, just thinking about the anguish that I saw on his face.

    Yet Obama was dancing all over Europe without a clue that as a result of his threats toward Israel we’ve been getting our ass kicked!

    And has anybody noticed that once Netanahu put his feet on the ground in Israel, the Whirlwinds have decreased? It’s been like the calm after the storm. I don’t even think that Netanahu is aware of the supernatural activity that is surrounding him.

    The two days that he was here, Americans experienced Whirlwinds [tornadoes] of epic proportion, registering in at F4 & F5. And the increase in the number of tornadoes were record breaking!
    [Nations are warned not to touch the apple of his eye]

    So although I know that I am commanded to love, personally I have to revisit I Corinthians Chapter 13 frequently. I call it the “whip ass scriptures” [I mean they whip my__ ]

    But, thank you brother for reminding me to keep working on that love walk.

    Pray for me.

    Valerie

  63. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Glen,

    And I just want to add one more thing. There are going to be people that just chose to go to hell, no matter what we do. And I’m sorry but I think Obama is one of them. Like I said pray for me.

    Valerie

  64. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    You’re not alone; I have some incredibly dear and generous friends (I consider them surrogate grandparents) who had a “60’s”-type daughter who married a Sufi Muslim and is now deeply involved. I pray with them; I’ll pray for your sister too. What’s her first name?

    Barack Obama is certainly no Christian. He has repeatedly talked about “collective salvation” (read “collectivist” because it’s just Marxism wrapped in a candy “Christian” coating). I’ve written about that more than once; here’s one example about two-thirds down the article: http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/barack-obama-loves-racist-anti-american-preachers-and-that-should-tell-you-who-he-really-is/

    As you can see, after citing Obama saying his “individual salvation” depends on “collective salvation” in the sense of “social justice,” I cite several Scriptures to show just how wrong he is.

    A lot of people call themselves “Christian.” Sometimes I like to go lay down in my garage can call myself a “car.” I’m certainly as much of a “car” as they are a “Christian.”

    A Christian is one who follows Jesus, recognizes Him as Savior, Lord and God the Son – sharing the nature and essence of the Father. A Christian places himself or herself under Jesus’ teaching; which also means under the Bible which is God’s Word. A Christian is saved by faith by the Person and through the work of Jesus on the cross. And while in many cultures, a prominent patriarch or matriarch can make a decision that influences every other member of the tribe to make the same decision, salvation is inherently individual and personal. YOU must make the choice for YOURSELF as to whether or not you want your life changed and transformed by Christ and by the Holy Spirit.

    I mourn for your sister, and will pray for her to be one of those who makes that most important of all decisions for Jesus.

    One other thing about Jesus: He transcends race; He is greater than any difference between red or yellow, black or white. I can talk to someone from another race, another nation, another culture, and have an instant and joyous fellowship (that has happened so many times; but not enough that I’ve stopped marvelling at it).

    Which is to say that I pray that your sister becomes a sister in all things; but you’ve got so many other brothers and sisters in the meantime!!!

    Btw, to the extent that Obama recognizes any God greater than himself, I would agree with you that that “god” is far more like Allah than it is God revealed in Christ.

  65. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    Again, excellent words. My mother feels like I do about Obama (that he is an evil man); but she also prays for his salvation and protection every day.

    I think more and more about Dietrich Bonhoeffer as an example. Bonhoeffer was in America, and this good German Aryan truly found Christ in a black church in Harlem. He became deeply involved in that church while in America. He saw that black people were being oppressed in America even as Jews were being oppressed (even more) in Germany and increasingly throughout Europe. Jews were slaves far more recently than blacks. And they were slaves in death camps in the very worst conditions imaginable. I wish black leaders like Jeremiah Wright – and his disciple Barack Obama – would recognize that.

    Bonhoeffer had a dilemma: he could remain in America, or he could go back into the serpents’ lair in Germany. He chose to go back and make a stand, to fight.

    He called Hitler evil. He worked to thwart the worst of Hitler’s programs, especially to help Jews. He became a double agent helping the allies. He even participated in the plot to assassinate Hitler.

    Was that “unChristian”???

    Bonhoeffer wrote about the “cost of discipleship.” He said he had to sacrifice his righteousness to stop Adolf Hitler.

    I understand what he meant. It’s TOUGH to venture into politics from Christian grounds. The two often seem to have virtually nothing in common. You can’t choose “the righteous”; that choice is not available; you have to choose the best of the choices available. And make such choices again and again. Politics, it is often said, is the art of compromise.

    We are in an age when lies are at war with the truth. Which was also true in Bonhoeffer’s day. He made his decision, and he fought for truth as powerfully as he could. He took stands while other “Christian leaders” backed off and supported Hitler after citing passages such as Hebrews 13:17 (“Obey your leaders and be submissive to them.” Bonehoeffer realized that that passage did not mean bowing down to evil; he realized that there were times when “We must obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29).

    I would submit that history regards Bonhoeffer as the superior Christian than those who were mute as Hitler ran amok.

    I want to be a Bonhoeffer. That means taking a stand and fighting for truth.

    Remember that Yale study that demonstrated that for most people, there’s a little Nazi in them? 40 students were tested, and they overwhelmingly failed. Only ONE refused to give more than 300 volts – itself a lethal dose – to actors who were SCREAMING when the test subject pushed the button. And what that study proved is that political authority tended to win out of our moral scruples.

    I speak as one who will stand up and FIGHT men.

    I recognize that Barack Obama is not a “Hitler.” But I also believe that Obama is an evil man with a demonic agenda. Through abortion – and Obama even believes in OUTRIGHT INFANTICIDE – Obama has along with many other Democrats directly participated in the murder of 53 million innocent Americans.

    http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/jill-stanek-on-why-barack-obama-voted-for-infanticide/

    http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/obama-crossed-line-from-abortion-to-genuine-infanticide/

    That’s a genocide that dwarfs even Hitler, fwiw. Then you add Obama’s Marxism – which is diametrically opposed to God and in fact replaces God with the omnipotent State – and what Obama is doing to Israel right now, and I believe you should see why I oppose him.

    And it turns out opposing a liberal president is a tough business. I am routinely attacked for it. But I am taking a stand. And while I DO pray that God make my anger righteous rather than unrighteous, and pray that God balance my righteous anger with Christian grace, I believe in my heart that I am doing the right thing by opposing the most evil American president going back to at least Andrew Jackson.

  66. glen cook Says:

    @ valerie , there is a scriture in the bible that says :

    Acts 16:31 (New International Version)

    31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be
    saved—you and your household.”

    mathew 18:18 says where there are 2 of you gathered in my
    name there i will be with you and whatever you
    shall pray for it will be done.

    AGAIN ” GOD IS NOT WILLING THAT ANY PERISH ”

    so i pray in agreement with you that your sister shall come back to
    the truth however the means are that he uses if you allow him.
    tough love sometimes.

    Please pray for my family also as i have those who reject the truth
    of JESUS and am out of hope many times.

    The fervent prayer of the righteous.

    JAMES

    5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven,
    neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea
    be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

    5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him
    sing psalms.

    5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church;
    and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of
    the Lord:

    5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise
    him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

    5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that
    ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man
    availeth much.

    ***

    5:17 Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed
    earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by
    the space of three years and six months.

    5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth
    brought forth her fruit.

    5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

    5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error
    of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a
    multitude of sins.

  67. glen cook Says:

    @ michael,

    keep up you work with ferociousness and fervency. we will
    band together in the good cop bad cop routine. some confront
    them with truth. some show theres room for salvation at the cross.
    some warn them with fear for their souls.

    May the Lord bestow a blessing on all those here who need it
    right now to make their faces show his glory.

  68. HL Says:

    I stand and agree with you Michael in your 3;12pm post to Glen. Glen and Valerie, if at all possible please read the book, ‘Bonhoeffer-Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy” by Eric Metaxas. I implore you and every other Christian who reads this blog to please read this book. I believe it was written for such a time as this and especially for American Christians livng under Obama.
    WE. MUST. DISCERN. THE. TIMES. AND. THE. EVIL. WE. ARE. CONTENDING. AGAINST.
    Do you know that Hitler USED the Christians ‘submission to authority’ and their interpretation pf ‘loving’ AGAINST THEM to enforce his diablolical intentions? The German Christians and their interpretaiton of Scripture, their naivete and their wanting to believe Hitler could be reached, confused and deluded and deceived them. Hitler LIED to them and told them what they wanted to hear. He used scrioture to do it! Just like Obama does when it serves his purpose. They were unable or unwilling to face the REALITY taking place all around them. Very few Christians were on the right side, standing with the Lord Jesus and the persecuted Jewish people.
    In 2008 a lot of deceived Christians voted for Obama. It is OUTRAGEOUS that the ANY CHRISTIAN could vote for this man after examining his record of voting on partial birth abortion. HE. IS EVIL.
    I pray he is removed from office and another takes his place. I pray we are delivered from evil. I oray we stand with Truth and righteousness and resist the lies and evil that is being spewed and regulated on a daily basis.
    Valerie, my heart goes out to you and the grief you have over your sister and the devastation happening around us. May our Lord Jesus strengthen and comfort you.

  69. glen cook Says:

    @ HL , i will make a concerted effort to read it. But know this

    the bible is a 2 edged sword with salvation on one hand and

    judgement on the other. So in the end when someone ultimately

    rejects Jesus they will have an eternal destination that no one

    would wish on their worst enemy. We are not week but unwilling

    as the Lord that anyone perish.

    Test the Spirits

    1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see
    whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone
    out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every
    spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is
    from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not
    from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard
    was coming and now is in the world already. 4 Little children,
    you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in
    you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the
    world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens
    to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us;
    whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know
    the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

    Even many jews don’t believe that christ already came in the flesh
    but as with all things God isn’t slack concerning his promises but
    as some would count it slackness but not willing that any perish.

    Again , speak the truth but the worst of the worst can be saved
    as with the APOSTLE PAUL. how many christians did he kill. did
    anyone then think that he would become the MAJOR author of
    the new testament.

    Again , i’m not saying don’t sound the alarm. speak the truth and
    warn people but if God saved Paul is there rm at the cross for
    other butchers ? That doesn’t mean to say the day will come
    when Obama might openly reject Christ but i still believe there is
    room. But like you i can easily see the end times coming. If the
    Lord is responsible for the tornadoes as i believe he is , then
    don’t you think his warning leaves room for repentance. That’s
    what i’m hoping for. And as with Michael I pray you continue
    to sound the alarm.

    God be with you all .

    May Jesus guide your path.

  70. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    My favorite quote on hell comes from C.S. Lewis:

    C.S. Lewis put it this way: “We can always say we have been the victims of an illusion; if we disbelieve in the supernatural this is what we always shall say. Hence, whether miracles have really ceased or not, they would certainly appear to cease in Western Europe as materialism became the popular creed. For let us make no mistake. If the end of the world appeared in all the literal trappings of the Apocalypse, if the modern materialist saw with his own eyes the heavens rolled up and the great white throne appearing, if he had the sensation of being himself hurled into the Lake of Fire, he would continue forever, in that lake itself, to regard his experience as an illusion and to find the explanation of it in psycho-analysis, or cerebral pathology. Experience by itself proves nothing. If a man doubts whether he is dreaming or waking, no experiment can solve his doubt, since every experiment may itself be part of the dream. Experience proves this, or that, or nothing, according to the preconceptions we bring to it.” (God in the Dock, “Miracles,” pp. 25-26).

    That, plus his observation that the gates of hell are locked from the inside, pretty much put it into perspective.

  71. glen cook Says:

    @ HL , also one last thing , if some butcher such as hitler

    told me to support a government that is throwing jews live

    or any other race into ovens to be roasted alive. I would rather

    do as sampson and die with my enemies if Jesus would grant that.

    some things are to obvious that you should not comply with in

    any shape or form. On that footnote look who was caught in

    the news today. The bosnian ethic cleansing mastermind. Look

    what he’s facing. I wonder if the he’s crying out to god now ?

    Can some one like that be saved ?

  72. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    I see it both ways (Obama is an evil man who is outworking a demonic agenda vs. Obama is a sinner who needs Jesus and is not beyond the love of God).

    As I said previously, my mother believes Obama is truly evil AND prays for his salvation and safety.

    My mother being a hero of mine, what else can I say but that mother knows best???

  73. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    Thank you for that 3:53 pm comment, and the feeling is mutual.

    There is a very fine line between trying to prophetically point out the sins of a nation and that nation’s leaders, versus trying to be a sweet and gracious ambassador of Jesus Christ. I know I often fail, and I know which side of the balance beam I usually fall off of!!!

    I often think of the coming two witnesses from the book of Revelation. Many think they will be Moses and Elijah. While we won’t know until they appear (and I believe we’ll be raptured and in heaven then), I think of them as two men who have been in heaven for 2,600-plus years. Imagine what their priorities will be!!! Will they waste their time watching the boob tube? Clearly NOT!!!

    We don’t know a whole lot about them, but we DO know that they will SERIOUSLY PISS ANTICHRIST OFF!!!

    Interestingly, we can both perform that same task of making the demonic-controlled world hate us the same way by doing what we’re both doing. There really IS more than one way to skin a cat…

  74. Michael Eden Says:

    Thanks, HL.

    It’s nice indeed to know that I’ve got someone like YOU standing in my corner!

    I have a feeling I would feel very much at home indeed in your library!!!!

  75. glen cook Says:

    michael , i once had a younger friend get in a horrible accident

    through no real fault of her own. i told her shortly before that ,
    that i was quote worried about her driving. she rolled her suv at
    high speed and woke up after surgery with a fused spine and still
    hundreds of pieces of her spine in her body. i can’t tell you how
    disconcerting that was for me. The last thing i wanted to feel was
    the I told you so feeling. I prayed for her in tears and the Lord

    ” ALL PRAISE TO JESUS ”

    worked a closeness to her through it all.

    But of these people who know not Christ,

    they have no idea what they are headed for. If we had a faith as
    the disciples and would willingly lay our heads down on a chopping
    block for the sake of the Gospel that would be monumental. But
    neither did we see all the things they did walking with Jesus for 3
    years. The apostle Paul as scripture records said he was in tears for
    his fellow romans who rejected the truth. I know everyone is called
    to speak the truth and you guys are concerned for the country.

    I have harshly rebuked people also, Just leave room for any
    sign of repentance. Even Paul’s fellow Christians didn’t want to
    trust him knowing who he was.

    Once the final line is crossed and there is a total disregard for
    Jesus , which it seems may not be far away , then i will become
    as harsh and plentiful in judgement as everyone. Right now i
    have health problems and if my time is soon i know all the more
    abundantly that my life falls far short of Jesus. His grace is all
    i can claim even if i have furthered his Kingdom in some small
    way , EVEN THAT WAS A GIFT FROM HIM. But people do
    need to make a choice and we need People to speak out and warn
    the flocks. So HL and Michael and Valerie , keep seeking ,
    knocking and preaching.

    May tongues of fire dance on your heads.

  76. glen cook Says:

    again one last thing, i tell people all the time about the one world

    order to come and i get looked at like i’m totally insane. so yes

    it seems as though it is here. I want to be able to say someone

    told them it would happen and not to accept the mark of the beast.

    sometimes you can only do so much. But hopefully they will

    say ” OH YEAH , THE PEOPLE WHO GOT RAPTURED SAID

    THIS WOULD HAPPEN ” , and at that point they will have

    to be beheaded to show their faith. I pray for these people

    that somehow they will make the right choice.

  77. HL Says:

    Dear Glen, I am sorry to hear of your having health problems. I am praying for you.

  78. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen (responding to your 4:28 and your 4:54 comment),

    I know what you’re talking about when you point out that there are times when gracious words work where harsh words fail.

    When I was in seminary, I knew a woman who lived in the apartment across the street from me. She was a vet tech who gave my Rott puppy a few injectons that saved me quite a bit of money when money was scarce.

    One day, she told me that her pastors pooh-poohed seminary as being unnecessary and even counterproductive. Given that I was going to seminary at the time – and obviously believed in seminary – it was a stinging rebuke. But I said nothing.

    Well, later in the same conversation, she made the comment that her pastors were teaching on the rapture from Matthew 24:36-42 (about two men working in a field, and one would be taken). She referred to the Greek word “harpazo” and talked about how this was about the rapture.

    I pounced. I told her, “the word in Matthew 24 is lambano, not harpazo. And Jesus is describing them as being taken in judgment, not the rapture. And if your pastor had gone to seminary, he would know that.”

    Everything I said is factually true. “Harpazo” is a word used in 1 Thessalonians 4:13; it is NOT used in Matthew. And while I passionately believe in the rapture (rapture comes from the Latin word “rapturo” which is the Latin word for “harpazo”), I also believe in proper exegesis. And Matthew 24 talks about the judgment of unbelievers, not the rapture of believers. In verse 39 (“And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away”) Jesus points out that “taken” here is NOT heaven. And in verse 21 of chapter 24 we learn that the tribulation is ALREADY taking place. And of course the whole doctrine of the rapture is that we will be raptured OUT OF the tribulation. Further, I believe Jesus is referring to Jews here, who go through the tribulation, rather than to the Church Age.

    Everything I said was right. But I said it in a harsh manner. Because I was angry at what my friend had said about seminary. And I hurt her feelings and probably undermined her confidence in her pastors. And she avoided me from that point.

    I’ve regretted that.

    There are times for gracious words.

    But there are times for harsh words, too. Sometimes the truth is a hard thing, or it is hard for some people to swallow. Or they REFUSE to swallow the truth.

    Part of the issue is who I’m writing to: I’m not writing to the left to convince them of their errors; I’m writing to conservatives to help them know the facts and be able to argue them.

    If my goal was to reach out to liberals, I would pursue more of the strategy you have outlined (i.e., be more gracious). But I am trying to reach out to conservatives. I want to try to inflame them and seek to GET THEM INVOLVED. I want them armed with facts and arguments. And yes, I want them to understand what kind of people liberals are. And that is a very different project indeed.

    I completely agree with you that Barack Obama could be saved and come to Christ. And if he did, I would embrace him as a brother – especially if he finally got his worldview right and led and governed from Christian principles. Nothing would make me happier.

    Let me give you a parallel: homosexuals. Are homosexuals living in sin? Yes. You cannot read your Bible properly and not come to the conclusion that God hates homosexuality. That said, there are homosexuals that I try to graciously reach out to, and then there are homosexuals that I fight tooth and nail.

    The first group are homosexuals who largely know that what they’re doing is wrong. But they feel trapped; they’re helplessly addicted to the lifestyle, but they would change if they knew how. I reach out to them. Many of them were sexually molested and destroyed as young people. My heart goes out to them. The second group are militant activist homosexuals who are out to destroy society and indoctrinate children and culture into their lifestyle. They are enemies who have to be destroyed. It’s either the children and the society or them. And I choose the children and the society.

    Right now, Obama is like the militant homosexual activist. He is an enemy. He has to be stopped. I’m sorry if it hurts his feelings, but I am fighting for others, and they are important, too. I am fighting for Christian values. I am fighting for Western Civilization that is being torn down piece by piece and chunk by chunk.

    Sometimes I know that I jump on things that have inflammatory or even demagogic appeal. Obama drinking a beer and playing ping pong while people across the Midwest are REELING from tornadoes, for example. Why do I do that? Because it works. I wrote an article entitled, “Do Unto Obama As Liberals Did Unto Bush.” The fact of the matter is that the left tore Bush down one piece at a time. And those tactics worked. I never lie. I am never intentionally dishonest; but liberals have turned the political arena into a vicious landscape, and you either fight back or you concede defeat.

    In WWI, the Germans began to use poison gas and total warfare. So the Allies used poison gas and total warfare. In the WWI, the Germans quit using poison gas after they realized the other side would use it too. But in WWII, they pursued total war with a vengeance. They bombed our cities. And we could choose to take the moral high ground and NOT bomb their cities and kill their civilians. But we would have lost the war; we would have been unable to destroy their means of production. So we bombed their cities and killed their civilians.

    These tactics work. If the liberals stopped using them, I would be delighted to stop using them. But they won’t. And we have to fight back.

    Take Sarah Palin. She has been so ridiculed and so attacked and demeaned that she’ll probably never get anywhere in politics. The left personally destroyed her with one after another after another attack that just piled on and covered her image.

    What do we do? Do we take the high ground while our candidates are all personally destroyed, or do we destroy THEIR candidates by going after THEM?

    It’s a tough business. That’s why a lot of Christians refuse to get involved in politics.

    BUT THAT’S WHY OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM IS SO DESPERATELY BROKEN, AND IT IS WHY OUR CULTURE IS VIRTUALLY BROKEN!!! We refused to fight, and so we retreated. And that was tantamount to a surrender.

    And my view is that we need more Dietrich Bonhoeffers who will climb into the muck and fight for what is left of our culture while there is still anything left to fight for.

    P.S. I’ll pray for your health. I walk my dog now every single day for an hour and a half. And every single day I start out praying and don’t stop till I get home. It’s changed my life.

  79. glen cook Says:

    @ michael ,

    michael , just remember you can pound the behavior of the
    administration into smithereens. Just be careful about your personal
    attacks because that’s what Satan uses against people. That’s why
    Michael when fighting Satan over the Body of Moses would not dare
    judge him but simply said may the Lord rebuke you. Satan knows
    he can’t just walk into the throne room of God and start trouble.
    He went that way already and knows when he stands before Gods
    throne that all he has is accusation and slander. And he does that
    day and night. You can be relentless and tireless in your bringing
    all the truth to light but as Netanyahu did when he was here he
    was all business and attacked not Obama personally and look what
    happened afterwards. Tornadoes and ect…; some of the worst in
    history in the U.S. Just be careful not to get caught in Satans lair.

    I think this will give you more credence. Shout the Truth Loud

    and Clear.

    @ michael , valerie , Hl , i thank you all for the prayers. I enjoyed

    blogging with you all. You are all in my prayers also.

    You guys are truly stewards of the Lords work and i pray

    he abundantly bless you all in your needs and his work.

    I ask that in Jesus name because as peter when

    he was crucified upside down he said

    ” I’m not worthy to be crucified as my Lord ” nor pray

    anything by myself

    but in His Great Name Jesus i pray.

  80. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    I just thank God that he led me to your website. I’ve felt so alone and isolated from my family and friends for so long. My spiritual and political views regarding Obama have isolated me from many of my friends.

    Since ‘2003, I’ve had several warning dreams in regard to this nation. Many, many warnings regarding our economy and our relationship with Israel, but talking about them to many of my Christian friend is like talking to a four year old.

    Until I met you guys, the only people that I could discuss my political views with were my x-husband and my 2 sons. But although they get it, I can count on one hand my friends that get it.

    When Obama was campaigning, both of my sons commented that it was strange how EVERYBODY seemed to ‘love’ Obama. My youngest son told me that he was careful not to listen or look at him to long, because he did not want to be ‘drawn in’.

    I thank God that none of us voted for Obama, and I can truly say that it ain’t my fault that he’s in the White House.

    As for Obama’s salvation, I do hope that he comes to the knowledge of the Truth, but so far it doesn’t seem likely.

    So until then, I will continue to admonish my brothers and sisters in the Lord to judge a tree by it’s fruit. Sometimes I sarcastically refer to him as “your president.” Most of my friends respond by saying, “I’m not talking about him today, or “you know we don’t agree”, or they’ll say “moving on” and won’t even allow me to finish my sentence.

    It’s sad, but they are choosing to be in the dark. It’s like they are being prepped and ready to take the mark. My husband calls them ‘kool aid’ Christians. [Jim Jones]

    And as for my sister, I thank you ALL for praying for her, her name WAS Lisa Ann, but she changed her name to Issa [The Islamic Jesus], some years ago. I still call her Ann. I will not call her Issa.

    I could tell you some stories, believe you me, I’ve been battling this demonic spirit for a long time.[spirit of Islam] For many years I would have two or three reoccurring dreams EVERY YEAR. I would find myself in this scary house that had a POWERFUL demon in it. I would have to fight this thing all night long, rebuking it in the name of Jesus. This happened to me year after year for over FIFTEEN YEARS.

    Some years ago, I went to a Bible Study, a missionary from Nigeria was there. I felt a ‘spiritual connection’ to him, as I do to you guys

    Without this man even knowing me, he told me that the Lord gave him a word of knowledge, that I had ‘discerning of spirits.’ [I Cor 12:10].

    For FIFTEEN YEARS, the Lord would show me my sister’s spiritual condition, and I thought I was having a reoccurring Nightmare! I didn’t understand that He was using me to do battle with the demonic spirit of Islam, to keep it from taking my sister completely over.

    She is still a Muslim in ‘her head’, but she has left the Mosque. She is working at the church that her daughter attends. [but I fear it's a watered down version of Jeremiah Wrights ideology] ‘African Methodist’

    My cousin called a couple of weeks ago, and said that my sister was singing in the choir, and that she had left Islam. It is my prayer that she will invite Jesus into her ‘heart’ so that He by His Spirit can renew her mind, and root out that demonic spirit that been trying to take over her mind all these years.

    I’m still skeptical though, seems to me that if she finally found the Lord she would be calling me and praising God, that she found the Truth. I’m like Mike, you can sit in the garage but that don’t make you a car.

    Finally, I thank God for you Michael, because it is your spiritual ‘insight’ that allows you to ‘see’ beneath the surface. And your knowledge of church history has truly given me more insight into the scriptures. I look forward everyday to the wisdom and knowledge that you share.

    And Glen you balance me. Because of the love and patience in your heart, it motivates me to examine my own heart. I believe it is a gift from God that you are able to NOT see the ‘outward appearance’ of a man, but to have compassion for the heart of the man.

    Thank God for you all, because it’s a lonely road to maturity.

    Valerie

  81. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    A couple things.

    First of all, I believe you need to have a better understanding of what it means “to judge” someone. It most certainly does not mean to not attack or condemn a person for immoral behavior. Consider Jesus’ or John the Baptist’s constant personal denunciation of the Pharisees (Example: “You brood of vipers! Who warned YOU to flee from the wrath to come?” Example: Jesus’ seven woes directed at the Pharisees in Matthew 23. Example: Jesus in Luke 11:39 saying to the Pharisees, “Inside of you, you are full of robbery and wickedness.”). Or take the Old Testament prophets who said of the kings of Israel, “he did evil in the eyes of the Lord.” If we are NOT to judge in the sense of attacking sin, then a great deal of the Bible would condemn ITSELF. So clearly that isn’t correct. What does it mean to “judge,” then? It means comparing yourself to others, and considering yourself superior to another person on the grounds that you are better than them, or that they are worse than you.

    Of Jude (the passage you cite with Michael and Satan), you need to understand the context. Jude actually begins by denouncing several groups of people. Those who refused to believe in Christ after He led them out of Egypt (v.5); the angels who renounced the authority of God and rebelled (v. 6); and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah, whose homosexual perversion was against the nature that God gave men. In other words, these are three examples of a refusal to respect legitimate authority. And then Jude gives an example of Michael and Satan. And Michael recognizes that Satan had been the anointed cherub, and that even now Satan was “the god of this world” (2 Cor 4:4). And Michael respected Satan’s authority.

    Now, you can say that God gave Obama authority, and I should respect that authority. But then we begin to run into the problem that I earlier described. There are evil leaders who simply need to be called out and opposed, as Dietrich Bonhoeffer described and lived out.

    Also, we live in rather unique times. To overthrow a king, one needed to resort to terrible violence. You couldn’t “vote a king out.” However, today we can get rid of a leader in all manner of peaceful ways.

    Like I said earlier, it is difficult for a Christian to become involved in politics. One can either get in the mud and fight (Dietrich Bonhoeffer), or one can stay nice and clean but be so heavenly-minded as to be no earthly good.

    You clearly don’t like it, but there’s a REASON that “negative ads” or “attack ads” are so ubiquitous in politics: they WORK. And to say, “we musn’t attack” is tantamount to saying, “we musn’t win.” In California, we are so indoctrinating our children into homosexuality that now the lesson plans are teaching kids that it’s okay for a boy to be a girl, or for a boy to be part boy and part girl, etc. And there’s nothing left to do but tolerate it, hide, or FIGHT to win.

    The two paragraphs above are not intended as a criticism, as I don’t know how you “fight.” But it’s hard to fight hard, and to fight to win, and not get a little bit dirty. And when you decide to really get in there, you find the balance between righteous and unrighteous anger and the need to tell the truth as it is versus the need to be gracious becomes a very narrow beam, indeed.

    Netanyahu has to continue to solicit aid from the government that Obama represents. I don’t need Obama’s “aid” and frankly want him to do a lot less “aiding.” There’s the rather huge difference between a leader who knows he needs to continue working with Obama, versus a guy who is actively seeking to do everything possible to make sure that Obama is voted out. If I were in Netanyahu’s position, I can assure you I would be a lot kinder, too.

  82. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    I won’t call her “Issa” either. I will pray for Lisa Ann (a lovely name, by the way).

    Often times, a follower can be crushed out of a cult. And they may well retreat to another “spiritual home” for the same sort of guidance. But of course, they are still deeply hurt inside. And just because they aren’t in an even MORE poisonous environement anymore doesn’t mean they’ve become healthy.

    Still, rejoice in the fact that she is at least moving toward a positive direction. And I will add my prayers to yours that your sister Lisa Ann finds Jesus in a powerful personal encounter that leads to true faith.

    I happen to be a real fan of African Christian leaders. I LOVE the way they stood up against the Western Episcopal Church over homosexuality, for example. I think the African Methodist churches have done much the same thing. Christians who directly know what it is like to be violently persecuted for their faith are something else.

    I know there are some excellent “black” churches out there. I put it in quotes because it’s a shame that, as they say, America is most racially divided on Sunday morning. Sometimes it’s style more than substance; but many times the substance is very different, too.

    I don’t know your church situation, Valerie, and would NEVER presume to give you advice from a position of such ignorance, but I WOULD suggest that you consider where you are, and what you are getting where you are. Take an inventory. Pray about it. It is possible you could better serve and be better served in another church. I’m suggesting that if you don’t find your spiritual and political values being expressed where you are, you could both be more blessed AND be more of a blessing in a different congregation.

    You deserve support, and you NEED it.

    You are in a far more difficult position than I am. Being “black” and “conservative” is an isolated, lonely and even dangerous place to be. It takes courage and determination FAR beyond what white conservatives need to have.

    God bless you, Valerie. I’ve said this more than once: one black conservative is worth ten of any of the rest of us. BECAUSE you are such a minority among minorities, and BECAUSE you refuse to move with the herd. You have a voice and a reach that a white man just can’t possess.

    The album cover of Keith Green’s “No Compromise” (GREAT album, btw) speaks of this: YOU aint bowing down, even if EVERYONE else around you is.

    no compromise

    That cover is one of the most memorable ones I’ve ever seen. I hope you can find yourself in it, and take comfort in the battles you’ve already won despite the cost.

    Thank you very much for your gracious words to me. They mean a great deal.

    And I’m delighted to be a resting place for you. I pray that you find still more, and closer to home!!!

  83. glen cook Says:

    @ michael , again your response is always well though out and
    to my pleasant surprise supported by biblical text. I would like to
    question 1 or 2 points that you make in my own context of scripture.

    michael you quoted : What does it mean to “judge,” then? It means
    comparing yourself to others, and considering yourself superior to
    another person on the grounds that you are better than them, or that
    they are worse than you.

    in response AND THIS JESUS SPEAKING NOW IN SCRIPTURE

    Luke 18:11

    The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am
    not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like
    this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I
    get.’

    Luke 18:13

    “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up
    to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a
    sinner.’

    Luke 18:14

    “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified
    before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and
    those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

    p.s. that means obama also and God didn’t say maybe.

    michael : in response to the book of Jude and michael respecting satans
    authority.

    I don’t believe michael has any respect for Satan’s authority, he
    is more respecting God’s command not to judge as Luke 18:11
    demonstrates.

    Luke 10:16-20 AGAIN JESUS SPEAKING

    16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects
    me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

    17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the
    demons submit to us in your name.”

    18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

    19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and
    to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.

    20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice
    that your names are written in heaven.”

    **** anyone who’s been in a pentecostal church knows that the
    name of Jesus causes spirits to submit to you. Satan hates
    that fact. He was a highly exalted angel and now even mere
    mortals have authority over him in prayer. But Jesus ever
    knowing prompted the disciples telling them do not rejoice
    in this but rather your names are written in heaven.

    another words you will be restored to my plan for you from
    the beginning. satan is an enigma. our minds can’t even
    comprehend how 1/3 of the angels could follow him that
    god himself created. no man can fully understand this any
    more than we can reach out into the far galaxies in our
    lifetime.

    also michael being an angel already knows what the word of
    God says and that he personally will kick the ever loving shit
    out of satan as the book of revelation says and throw him
    into the pit. so ” no i don’t think he has any respect for
    satans authority. once again i believe it more closely follows
    luke 18:11 where JESUS himself talks about how we need
    to be humble.

    AND MICHAEL , that doesn’t mean i don’t support you. I
    know your a soldier as you have said and i have just
    delved into 2 books. The first before the dawn about a
    vietnam vet. this is mickey blocks story that i gave you guys
    a link to before. Tremendous story of a man who rejected
    a very strong christians testimony in the midst of living hell
    and later on the verge of suicide found the Lord through
    the continued faithful prayers of his fellow vet. The other
    book called “Born Again” , written by chuck colson who
    was one of 4 or 5 men to surround president nixon daily
    in the white house. And your right , from the very beginning
    it is clear that they would do anything to win an election.
    the watergate scandal arose out of that philosophy in the
    white house. Mickey Block , you don’t want to go there
    if your not a soldier or have a strong fortitude because again
    you are right. His exploits personally of death and dying and
    a hardened callous combat vet are hard to read.

    But as i said to all of you , VALERIE, HL , MICHAEL, ect…;

    I pray the Lord bless all on this website. You are all
    diligent faithful christians seeking to do the very best
    you can before his return.

    As Jesus said

    Rejoice that your name is written in the Lambs book of life.

    and in Jude,

    1:22 Be merciful to those who doubt;
    23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show
    mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by
    corrupted flesh.

  84. HL Says:

    Morning Michael, I so appreciate your thoughtful and careful responses to Glen and Valerie. They are very helpful and instructuve. Your clarity about ‘judging’ is so needed in Christendom today. I can’t tell you how gut wrenching it is to hear professing Christians respond to Obama’s stating he is a Christian, ‘Who am I to judge?’ And this not from new believers. When a true Christian cannot tell the difference between Biblical Christianity and Obama’s Black Liberation Theology,and is unwilling to examine, judge and speak the truth in love, forcefully when necessary and gently when necessary, the Church is in serious trouble. But, that is where many in America are presently.

    When attempting to inform a friend who was also a Bible study leader in the past, of who Obama is and what his record and agenda were, she responded with, ‘Well, the Lord loves Obama too!’ Seriously, I wanted to rend my garments and wail. This was back in 2009 and she was saying she was glad for this ‘new day of hope’ coming upon America.
    I. KID. YOU. NOT. I can’t tell you the grief I have experienced over the unwillingness of people to face who Obama is and what he is doing and how many victims (unborn) he is guilty of paying for their death with our tax dollars through the stroke of his executive pen.
    This is how confused many Christians are in America. We are to judge righteously and exercise discernment in all matters in this life.
    I pray MANY Christians read your comments on judging.

    Valerie, may our Lord Jesus BLESS and STRENGTHEN you in the places you are standing. Thank you for your courageous stand.

  85. glen cook Says:

    @ HL , your conservative point is well taken. But i think the reason
    many people voted for obama who might be christians is that they
    are disillusioned with lies from previous parties who call themselves
    christians and also walk not the walk of Jesus. No weapons of mass
    destruction and other arguments for unnecessary wars and
    statement like ” I don’t know if i believe the bible literally ” . It seems
    as though the right and left are grafted together in a bigger plan and
    it’s purpose isn’t the good of america. If people who call themselves
    ambassadors of christ are in high places of authority they have all
    the more responsibility to represent the truth. Dig a little deeper
    on some of the past presidents and their connections and you can
    see why many are tired of false religiosity. I don’t believe Obama is
    a christian. I take him as doing what he thinks is right. Doesn’t mean
    i believe it’s right. Who here is without sin and would cast the first
    stone when they threw mary before Jesus. I question anyones
    conviction to the real Jesus Christ when they don’t understand the
    magnitude of Jesus work. We have all sinned and come short of
    the glory of God as scripture says. If you don’t know how far short
    you are of his Righteousness then you don’t understand his holiness.
    It’s one thing to write and say barack obama is unknowingly and it
    could be knowingly fulfilling the work of the antichrist. But it is
    another to with totality say he is evil. I have called president bush
    may things in anger. But i know if he is a true believer in Jesus
    then there is room at the cross for him as with any one who calls
    on Jesus name. Jesus said in scripture that ” A pervert is anyone
    who distorts the grace of God”. He didn’t say child molester or
    murderer or any other horrible deed that humans do. If you have
    broken one commandment you have broken them all. But if ye
    have the light , then walk in the light and bring that to others.

    Who would willing take up their cross daily and lay down their life
    for another is the one who fulfills the Lords work.

  86. glen cook Says:

    p.s. lest not forget newt gingrich who was the chief head hunter for
    bill clinton during the monica lewinsky episode and vehemently
    at the time denied having an affair with someone. after all
    these years he admitted to the affair. that’s like the pot calling
    the kettle black. if the republicans want the privilege of being
    truly moral then start by cleaning their own house. Take the
    log out of your own eye before your brothers. That’s all i am
    trying to say and that’s why God sent Moses as a shepherd
    with a staff instead of as pharaoh to deliver his people. because
    government was so corrupt that he could not work his will
    in the midst of it all.

  87. HL Says:

    Dear Glen, in response to your 3:34 am comment. Please understand I know I am an eternally grateful sinner who has been saved, rescued, redeemed and set free by the grace, mercy, kindness and love of God my Father and my Lord Jesus Christ. I don’t deserve it and I stand in His righteousness alone before His holiness.
    Yes, I think many naive and uninformed Christians voted for Obama because of failure of those on the right at times and overwhelmingly the SUCCESS of the media to lie and deceive and destroy President Bush and others. One really had to research to find the truth regarding the tsunami of lies that were spewed daily by the media.
    Did Republicans make grave mistakes at times? Yes.
    However, the facts that were knowable about Obama during the election cycle of 2008:
    1. His Marxist/Communist/Islamic upbringing.
    2. His associations who were Marxist/Communist as an adult.
    3. His 22 years in a church that taught Black Liberation Theology which has nothing to do with the real Lord Jesus and Biblical Christianity.
    4. His voting record on partial birth abortion.
    5. His lying and deceiving about the above facts.
    6. His anti-American ideology, policies and agenda. His lying about that fact.
    These are just some of the facts that could have known by any Christian who wanted to know the truth about Barack Obama.
    We may have a fundamental disagreement as to his being evil. I think he is.
    Is it possible for him to repent, confess his sins, turn to the Lord Jesus and receive forgiveness and salvation?
    Yes, if he is willing.
    I think the evidence is overwhelming that he is relentlessly pursuing and accomplishing his UNGODLY goals. There are MAJOR distinctions to what Obama is doing to what has been done by previous administrations in my lifetime. This is not excusing others wrong doing and sins, but I think it is imperative to discern carefully and make distinctions.
    I believe that is where a lot of Christians erred. I do not say this from a superior attitude, but from one who was alarmed at what was happening in our country and tried to wake up and inform anyone who would listen. I found Michael and his blog in Spring of 2008 and I can’t tell you what an encouragement and strength he and his writings have been.
    There are a couple of thoughts I want to submit to you. In 2 Timothy 4:14 Paul is warning Timothy about someone who was resisting the message of the Gospel, the Truth. “Alexander the coppersmith DID ME MUCH HARM; the LORD will judge him on that day. BE ON YOUR GUARD AGAINST HIM FOR YOURSELF, for he vigorously opposed our teaching.” There are people WHO HATE THE TRUTH AND CAUSE CHRISTIANS MUCH HARM. Paul discerned who that person was and warned others. In another scrioture it says, ‘not all man have faith.’ Even in the book of Revelation when judgments are being released some people still hate the Lord, curse Him and do not repent.
    What I hear and see Obama doing with the unborn, Israel, America at this point is just flat out evil and I do not give him the benefit of the doubt that he is just doing what he thinks is right. Too many people are resisting him vocally and through writing confronting him on his errors and he is not repenting. He LIES AND DECEIVES even more by speaking out of both sides of his mouth and telling us we didn’t understand what he previously said.
    We are all now living with the results of not having enough Christians and Americans seeing through Obama’s and the media’s lies and deceptions and it is grevious.
    This is a scripture I pray for us as the body of Christ:
    “But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained TO DISCERN GOOD and EVIL.”
    I think we each need to understand what the will of the Lord is for us specifically. I am compellled to inform myself as to the truth of what is going on, pray, vote, try and inform others and stand with those who are fighting in this battle.
    To me it is a matter of endeavoring to be faithful to the truth my short time here on earth.
    One last thought, John the Baptist didn’t lose his head because he told Herod how much the Lord loved him, he was killed because he told Herod it was not right for him to have his brothers wife. He spoke the exact truth Herod needed to hear. I think through John, the Lord was calling Herod to repent and turn from his sins.
    May our Lord Jesus bless you Glen and give us all the grace, help, strength, wisdom and love we need to fulfill His will for us while on earth.

  88. glen cook Says:

    @ HL , i know you are sincere and fighting for the truth. and that
    post was very heart felt. But we must do as John the baptist
    on all sides. Newt Gingrich , Obama and across the board evenly.
    that’s why we have lost respect. we challenge not those who
    seem to lie to further our prerogatives. our leaders that benefit
    our points of view are easily forgiven on one side and executed
    on the other. it’s wrong that Clinton had an affair but Newt in
    the midst of persecuting him was now admittedly in the middle
    of his own. did the republican party ask him to step down. NO.
    how can people who were raised that way and a president who’s
    half black ( even though i agree with you and i will call him out
    on any lie and abortion also ) , trust what has been also
    viewed as deceitful. blacks still bear the scars of their past and
    trust not the white man’s establishment as a whole. can you
    blame them. Barack to his credit tried to show some dignity when
    he invited the cop and professor to the white house. we all
    know that this nation is straying far away from the truth. But
    as i have said all along , if you guys hammer at the truth and
    make it fair for all, it will be more easily discerned by those
    trying to find the truth. Even Chuck Colson turned down a
    scholarship to Harvard because he disdained the good old boy
    club and their grip on american politics. He was a scape goat
    for watergate. If we speak forcefully and truthfully that our
    government is straying from Gods truth , then that is a great
    rebuke. The man at the top of our nation takes the heat either
    way. The buck stops with him and that’s the ultimatum Barack
    faces if we can show people the truth. If as he said concerning
    Libay , that Gaddafi cannot go against the will of the people, then
    that’s what we need here. The will of the people. How do we win
    their will and build trust. If we do harshly rebuke them personally
    then we need to make sure our representatives walk the walk.
    Barack had 2 wars , a financail crisis and other world events
    heaped on him. Does he christian or not fairly deserve blame
    for sins of previous administrations. Call him out for failure to
    recognize Gods wrath against abortion, his one world view,
    but allow him personally to be human as much as his
    predecessors and make some mistakes. And if you call him
    out on the coming antichrist then it’s now very personal if you
    implicate him directly. I’ll jump on board as soon as he tries to
    establish the one world order. Can you say for sure that he’s
    this man ? I think many christians are just playing dodge ball
    trying not to get waisted and make their stand in the end not
    sure if that time is here.

    Anyway , you guys are on fire. In this worst of crossroads for
    america, and why would anyone have kids now adays, may
    the Lord truly inspire you with a vision of what he wants you to
    do.

    You all have a sincere desire to see Christ Establish his
    righteousness and his covenant of mercy with those who will
    accept it. That’s why you keep doing what you do.

  89. glen cook Says:

    if you have time check out

    BUSH FAMILY FORTUNES

    at the bottom of this link !

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/bush_denies_jesus_christ.htm

  90. glen cook Says:

    heres one on gingrich and obama ,

    http://www.texemarrs.com/102010/choice_for_2012.htm

  91. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    Thank you for your prayers and encouragement regarding my sister. And by the way, I have all of Keith Green’s Albums and CD’s. His music is so deep.

    I didn’t know about his music until his death in the plane crash along with his children. It was sooo very tragic. The Christian station that I listened to at the time, played his music all night long after the crash. I fell in love with his music from then on. I’ve had his albums since the ’80’s and now I have his CD’s. [I was in my twenties] I love him, his music is so anointed. My son’s love his music too. So you can see, we are a very unique family.

    As for being a ‘black’ conservative, the majority of African American’s are conservative in their values. They are against abortion, homosexuality, etc. like other conservatives…but they are WEAK IN THEIR SPIRITUALITY.

    Many do NOT study the word of God like they should, and worse of all they turn a ‘blind eye’ to whatever their pastor is doing, when they know he’s wrong. They neither challenge him if he’s incorrect in doctrine, nor do they acknowledge any of his ‘infidelities.’

    But they will take his political advise. Go figure.

    Consequently, if what he’s saying does not line up with the Word of God, ‘tradition’ tells them to just ignore it. They’ve been conditioned to focus on the teaching and not the man. I’ve had several friends say they just go for the teaching of the scripture, it doesn’t matter what he’s doing in his personal life! And when I talk to them about Bible Prophecy, it’s like I’m speaking in a different tongue.

    So you see, most are just ignorant of the word of God. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not making excuses for them. The Bible tells us to study to show yourselves approved. Many Christians are plain ignorant of the word of God, it transcends color lines.

    So, making this choice leaves them wide open to the suggestions of Satan. It gives him legal access into their lives and mind, because they’ve ‘compromised’ the word and way of God.

    African American’s are really NOT liberal, they’re just passive AND in compromise. They’ve been ‘distracted’ by the race issue as well. Many are so stuck in the past that they can’t see anything but Black or White.

    Only the Word of God, and love of God can set them free from past hurts and sins. Only allowing the Holy Spirit and the Word of God to be the final authority in their lives will bring us individually to a place spiritually that God’s wants us to be. That said, the very definition of their ‘liberality’ is compromise and sin. It’s NOT a political position, it’s a compromise [sin] position.

    Keith Green’s CD ‘no compromise’ is very appropriate for this hour, because many of my friends and family have chosen to walk in darkness rather than light. They don’t want to upset anyone, or make waves especially where the pastor is concerned. It’s like they are prepped, primed and ready for the Antichrist.

    As for your teaching on judging, thank you so much, I totally agree with what you said. We are told to rightly divide what is true. That is ‘true’ according to the word of God. Folks, the Word of God is the final authority in our lives, not our own interpretation of it. If an individual whether saved or unsaved is ‘practicing’ sin, [sin as defined in the Word of God], then they are NOT in Christ. Period.

    As for a church home, I’ve been away from the ‘traditional’ church for some years now. I’m basically a member of the Media Church. I watch Christian Broadcasting networks and study the word of God daily. I’ve learned more from televangelists in the past few years of their teaching, than all my years in the traditional church. Pretty sad I guess.

    HL and Glen have a slight disagreement with the application of judging within and without the body of Christ, the bottom line is this: You know a tree by it’s fruit.

    If the fruit is bad, the root is bad, it’s that simple.

    Obama says one thing, but his ‘fruit’ produces another.

    When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, their eyes were opened. When you eat Obama’s fruit, your eyes are closed. You are then ‘mesmerized’ by him.

    I just refuse to eat the fruit. I will not be ‘drawn’ into his stare or his snare.

    Obama’s had ample opportunity to chose Truth, he’s chosen a lie.
    H.L., thanks for more information regarding Obama.

    Glen, you must realize that we are the ‘body’ of Christ, and every part has a different function and purpose. Some are called to be Apostles, Prophets, teachers, evangelists, and pastors for the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry. God gave us ‘unique’ gifts and calls, and abilities. It is how we yield to the prompting of the Holy Spirit when we encounter evil that makes us unique. It is our different styles that make us the Body of Christ. God is sanctifying us and smoothing out the rough places. Glory to God!

    Yours in Christ,

    Valerie

  92. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    HL, Glen,

    Concerning the ‘sleeping’ Christians. I tell you that is one of the most frustrating and disappointing aspects of the Christian walk. It’s like, am I the only one out here that can see this?

    Jesus called them ‘the blind leading the blind’. He said it well. Not only are they blind, but they have chosen to be blind on purpose.

    These are the days of Elijah, and in the spirit of Elijah many believers in these last days will be called to take on the false prophets of Baal.

    Not only did Elijah expose their error, but he slew them as well. Now that’s what I call a prophets’s prophet!

    Those in the body of Christ who are called to be ‘watchmen’ on the wall have a prophetic anointing that will NOT allow them to be anything but a ‘trumpet’ to the people. It is the anointing that breaks the yoke!

    My cousin told me that she thought that the swarms of tornadoes were caused by UFO’s! Another friend said it was the Space Shuttle doing things to the atmosphere! They have no desire to accept the truth. They do NOT want to believe that God’s Word IS true.

    He warned repeatedly throughout the Bible regarding Israel. He warned to not touch the apple of His eye. He warned that he would ‘cut to pieces’ any nation that threatened Israel. Yet in this last hour, people love this world and the ‘cares’ of it, refusing to acknowledge that God is alive, well, and The Judge of the earth!

    To do so, would mean that they would have to repent and STOP living in compromise and sin.

    And I agree, I just don’t buy that Obama is doing what he thinks is right. Tell me, how can he know what is ‘right’/ He’s been pumped with a hate ideology from the time he was a child, and the fruit that he’s producing has clearly evidenced that he is evil.

    I John 2:18-23 states:

    Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have REMAINED WITH US; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

    But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because NO LIE comes from the truth. Who is the liar? IT IS THE MAN WHO DENIES THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST. Such a man is the antichrist__he denies the Father and son.

    As I stated before President Obama has blatantly ignored [3] Easter proclamations since his presidency. As a Muslim, he cannot acknowledge a ‘risen’ Christ. To do so with acknowledge He is Divine. And finally his policies are anti-Christ and anti-Israel.

    How much more proof do we need? God’s word is the Final Authority, and he has clearly provided evidence that he is antichrist.

    Valerie

  93. glen cook Says:

    @ valerie , let me ask you one question ! somewhere , where ever
    that may be , Barack Obama has kin. Now if it were
    your sister in his place would you give up so easily on
    her. I know what the man does is wicked to the Lord.
    But somewhere there might someone such as yourself
    who believes in Jesus for your sister. I afford everyone
    that opportunity. That doesn’t mean that you can’t call
    the sin. I’ll stand respectfully face to face with him
    and tell him what a horrible sin abortion is. I’ll tell him
    about Israel. And i’ll tell him about the man Jesus , the
    sea-walker , the blind man healer , who died for him.

    You know in the bible if you cast to many pearls out
    there to easily you get trampled on. Just as you might
    give up on your sister at times. Theres a time for
    everything. A time to chastise, A time to sow, A time
    to kill, ect…; I know we are all human and with
    furocity and concern you guys bring to light the coming
    times.

    Before the Lord takes the breath out of any human
    being theres is a glimmer of hope. That’s all i ask is
    there a glimmer still. What a horrible thing to have
    to say as with Judas.

    He went out and it was night. Meaning Satan had
    entered Judas at that point. I lose hope often on people
    and become more than short tempered at times.

    But with all things as with your sister , there is room
    for hope till it’s night.

    Can anyone here say they haven’t wept tears of
    bitterness for a loved one who has scorned God’s
    word. If not , examine your heart and ask
    do have the love of christ along with the rebuke.

    Paul said in corinthians 1:13

    1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love,
    I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
    2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all
    knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not
    have love, I am nothing.
    3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship
    that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is
    not proud.
    5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily
    angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
    6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
    7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
    8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease;
    where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is
    knowledge, it will pass away.
    9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
    10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
    11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I
    reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of
    childhood behind me.
    12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see
    face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am
    fully known.
    13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of
    these is love.

    I know as i sit here and listen to old songs like glen campbell
    ” linemen for the county ” , dion and a song that touched a
    nation “anybody here seen my old friend Abraham. Can you
    tell me where he’s gone. , and other songs , i know that
    only God can call our final destination. I’ll speak of Jesus
    to anyone who will listen. Don’t give up. We band together
    to lift each other up and encourage.

    For what it’s worth i feel all of your prayers and weep
    bitterly for things i have suffered and rejection from loved ones.
    And hopefully with the Lords help my heart will mend enough
    to do what i need to before they or i are gone.

    God bless you all for helping me to continue !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  94. HL Says:

    Valerie, thank you very much for sharing your insights and experiences, my understanding has been expanded.

    Continuing to pray for you Glen.

  95. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Glen,

    Thank you again for the Love of God that shines in your heart.
    And, as stated MANY TIMES before, we all agree that Obama has the right to chose like anyone else. So if he choses to give his life to Christ, I will rejoice with the angels, as will Mike, MikeA, David, HL, etc.

    From their responses, no one has said that they don’t want Obama to be saved. What we have said is, that at this moment in time he is NOT saved, and that his deeds are evil.

    We MUST discern evil from good, as Christians. Michael discussed what the Bible says regarding judging, and I completely agree.

    With the Word of God, God has given us the tools we need to rightly divide [judge] what is true and what is a lie.

    That is what I have done where Obama is concerned. Based on how the Word of God defines evil, Obama fits the bill. His actions are evil [for now], and until he shows a ‘different’ kind of fruit, I will continue to judge him according to the Word of God.

    I see so many of my friends and family just ‘blindly’ accepting anything that he does. I WILL NOT BE BLIND, that is my choice.

    So, lets be clear. If Obama comes to the Lord, great. But for now, he is walking in a religion that is a lie, and an ideology that is from the pit.

    As for my sister, the Lord gave me a dream in 1984 of a Whirlwind coming at my sister. I was crying out to her, over and over again and as loud as I could. But she just kept laying there in her bed ‘asleep’. [spiritually blind] This huge black tornado came toward her bed, and all I could do was stare in horror! Then all of a sudden, she sat up in the bed, looked at the tornado and jumped out of the bed. She ran into the little cabin where me and Frank [my x] were in the bed, and ‘dived’ right in the middle of us.

    After that, even though at times I’ve been frustrated with slowness of my sister coming to Christ, that dream was the Lord assuring me that she would be saved. It may just be in the ‘nick’ of time, or a very close call, but that she WOULD be saved.

    I just have to wait, because it will happen in God’s time.

    As for Obama, there is NO comparison. My sister’s actions and decisions are not KILLING thousands. And, quite Frankly, I don’t think I’m called to be an intercessor for Obama, but I’m sure somebody is.

    So keep praying for him Glen, somebody needs to.

    Valerie

  96. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Guys,

    My oldest son comes by EVERY Saturday to check on his mom. So I asked him this question. I asked him to tell me if he considered his friends to be conservative or liberal?

    I told him to take his time answering that question, to really think it through before answering me. [He's 33 years old, and African American of course]

    His answer: “They are conservative in their thoughts, but their actions are liberal.”

    He confirmed what I said earlier. African Americans are conservative in their beliefs, but they are weak to sin. [compromise]

    The is a large number of individuals who are conservative in their beliefs, but walk in compromise.

    But what’s really interesting is that most of Jonathan’s friends and acquaintances are NOT African American.

    Republicans need to ‘hammer’ the truth over and over again to the public in regard to the lack of fiscal responsibility, the wasteful spending, and the imminent economic collapse that the U.S. is facing. These young people are very aware of the economy. Republicans need to drive the excessive spending by the Obama Administration home over and over again.

    If they will do that, people will start hearing the truth and stop listening to the rhetoric. And maybe they will chose what is right, and stop compromising.

    Valerie

  97. HL Says:

    Valerie, EXCELLENT, thanks for sharing.

  98. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    I’m not sure what you think you gain by citing Luke 18. It completely affirms what I argue about what it means “to judge.” In fact I was actually specifically thinking about Jesus’ presentation of the Pharisee who judged himself to be superior to the tax collector when I wrote my previous comment! Perhaps you were simply pointing out that you agreed with me? I’m not sure. But we SHOULD judge right from wrong. The Bible does it constantly, as does every morally intelligent person. God tells us what is right and what is wrong so that we CAN judge between them. We know what sin is from God’s Word, and we obvously know that when someone is a homosexual, for example, that their behavior is condemned. If I point out someone’s sin I’m not doing wrong at all. It’s not wrong at all to judge in that context.

    It is wrong to judge when you asssume yourself to be more righteous and more deserving than those around you. I see sin in others; I also see it in myself. And God’s righteousness – by which we will ALL be judged – is so much greater than any of ours that any difference plus or minus between other humans is infinitsesimal as compared to God’s.

    As for Jude, I didn’t just tell you what “I believe.” I presented a case directly from the book of Jude in context to show why what I was saying is true.

    You don’t believe Michael has any respect for Lucifer’s authority? That’s too bad. Because the Bible does. Whether you like it or not, Glen, Lucifer IS “the god of this world.” Satan has that authority. The BIBLE calls him that. He is also “the accuser.” He has the right to appear before God and argue that human beings (like Moses) should be his rather than God’s. He has a God-given rightful position to be where he is doing what he is doing. And yes, Michael DOES respect that.

    Allow me to quote you and interact with what you argue:

    also michael being an angel already knows what the word of
    God says and that he personally will kick the ever loving shit
    out of satan as the book of revelation says and throw him
    into the pit

    You are, of course, referring to Revelation chapter 20. Let me ask you, doesn’t something happen BEFORE that?

    Read Revelation chapter 12, especiall from verse 7. There’s a war in heaven, and Satan (Lucifer) is CAST DOWN. He LOSES his rightful position to come to heaven and accuse believers. Or perhaps you could explain why, since Michael can do do what I quote you as stating above, that he didn’t do it a long time ago??? Rather, Revelation 20 is the result of Revelation 12, which hasn’t happened yet. And the event in Jude occurs while Satan DOES have a rightful position as god of this world – which Michael recognizes until God tells him to do otherwise.

    Here’s an article on Revelation 12: http://www.1timothy4-13.com/files/teach/accuser.html

    Here’s another: http://thetruth-blog.blogspot.com/2011/03/can-satan-still-enter-heaven.html

    Satan has a God-ordained role to play. And until that role is taken away in Revelation 12, Michael VERY MUCH respects the authority that Satan has.

    And THAT is the legitimate authority that Michael is recognizing in Jude 9.

    And as a guy whose named after this very same archangel, don’t think I don’t know my Michaels!!! (That’s a joke, but my above argument is not).

    Btw, it’s interesting you mention Chuck Colson, because, if anything, he’s very much the same kind of fighter that I am.

    You want me to see the passages that depict God as gracious and our commands to be likewise. That is well and good. But there is another side to that coin. God told his people to literally exterminate every single man, woman, child and even ANIMAL. I’m not sure you have a place for that in your theology. Was it a different God? I hope we both say no. Perhaps you say, “Well, Jesus’ coming changed that.” But then I quoted passages showing that that very same Jesus wipes out people by the millions until blood flows to the horses’ bridle. So that’s clearly not the case, either.

    There’s a BALANCE in Scripture. Is there a time for peace? Certainly there is. But please don’t forget there’s a time for war, too (Eccesiastes 3:8).

    And, again, I’m nowhere arguing that we should be out rioting and killing. I’m just saying we need to confront wickedness and call it out for what it is. And I’ve got the Bible on my side. Read 1 John. John calls out these false teachers. And if you know history, there is no question that John’s audience knew exactly who John was personally denouncing. Cerinthus was a heretic of John’s period and locale. In a bath house, St. John discovered that Cerinthus was in the building, and literally fled lest he be present when God judged him. St. Paul also personally singles out a few by name (eg. 2 Timothy 4:14). And the Old Testament is FILLED with the prophets singling out specific kings and false shepherds as wicked.

    John Stott talks about “rabbit-hole Christians.” These are people who simply withdraw from culture; they dart out of their Christian holes to shop, and then dive back in. And I’m going to argue that a good share of the reason is a false understanding as to how we are supposed to deal with culture that literally makes it IMPOSSIBLE to confront it in a way that can makes any sense. It’s like, “Tie both hands behind your back before you fight, and use your face!!!” And faced with that kind of understanding, too many Christians simply withdraw from a fight they can’t win and are even “sinners” to even try.

    That’s what Dietrich Bonhoeffer was talking about when he said he had to “sacrifice his righteousness” in order to confront Hitler. And there were all kinds of Christians telling him not to!!!

    And, again, I believe history has confirmed which of those above two sides actually was righteous, and which was not.

  99. Michael Eden Says:

    HL (to your comment at 2:43),

    Well said, and as usual, right on the money.

    Too many Christians have a Barney-the-Dinosaur version of Jesus that fail to consider His righteousness and His HATRED of sin.

    A few passages:

    “These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)

    “The burden of the Word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi. I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob. And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage to waste for the dragons of the wilderness.” (Malachi 1:1-3) That’s right: GOD HATED ESAU.

    “The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity” (Psalm 5:5).

    “God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day” (Psalm 7:11)

    “The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates” (Psalm 11:5).

    In Psalms, David constantly called upon God to destroy the wicked! Here are ten Psalms where David asks God to destroy his enemies (7, 35, 55, 58, 59, 69, 79, 109, 137, 139).

    Too many Christians either don’t bother to read their Bibles at all, or read it on a track that doesn’t allow them to see the full truth.

    I just got through writing this in another comment to this same article. It fits again:

    John Stott talks about “rabbit-hole Christians.” These are people who simply withdraw from culture; they dart out of their Christian holes to shop, and then dive back in. And I’m going to argue that a good share of the reason is a false understanding as to how we are supposed to deal with culture that literally makes it IMPOSSIBLE to confront it in a way that can makes any sense. It’s like, “Tie both hands behind your back before you fight, and use your face!!!” And faced with that kind of understanding, too many Christians simply withdraw from a fight they can’t win and are even “sinners” to even try.

    That’s what Dietrich Bonhoeffer was talking about when he said he had to “sacrifice his righteousness” in order to confront Hitler. And there were all kinds of Christians telling him not to!!!

    And, again, I believe history has confirmed which of those above two sides actually was righteous, and which was not.

    The reason we can’t win this fight is because too many Christians have come to believe it’s even wrong to fight in the first place. And here we are now…

  100. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie (8:53 am comment),

    I think Charles Payne – whom I genuinely admire – put it incredibly here: http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/10/02/glenn-becks-show-leftism-destroys-african-american-communities/

    We find in polls that black people SHOULD have biblical values and SHOULD be conservatives in what they claim to believe. But there is this vicious disconnect with Democrats and liberalism that is largely the product of lies. It’s like REPUBLICANS are the party of slavery and DEMOCRATS freed the slaves when the truth is the exact opposite. It’s like the REPUBLICANS are the party of the Ku Klux Klan and the DEMOCRATS are the party that fought it when the truth is the exact opposite.

    And, somehow, the party that literaly fought a war that killed more than 600,000 people to keep black people in chains managed to convince the black community, “We’re on your side.” And the bargain is, “If you vote for us, you’ll get a check in the mail!”

    I write about this in the following article: http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/obamas-economic-legacy-highest-poverty-rate-increases-in-50-years/

    And there is the hypocrisy of the constant double-standard, which I go off on here:

    I am beyond sick of this crap. Where’s the CONGRESSIONAL WHITE CAUCUS that dedicates itself to securing political benefits for white people, and blacks be damned??? Where’s the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF WHITE PEOPLE that is operating with prestige and acclaim??? Where are the HISTORICALLY WHITE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES that exist to educate white students rather than black students??? Where’s the UNITED CAUCASIAN COLLEGE FUND that exists to give scholarships to white students for the sake of being white??? Where’s the NATIONAL WHITE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE to secure business opportunities for white people against black people???

    Hey, let me ask a more compelling question, given the occupant of the White House: where’s the national major white politician who spent 20-odd years in a “church” that espoused a commitment to the white value system, which entails a commitment to the white community, a commitment to white self-determination, a commitment to the white family, a commitment to white education, a commitment to the white workforce, a commitment to the white ethic, a commitment to white progress, a commitment to support white institutions, and a commitment to pledge allegiance to all white leadership?

    And, of course, I don’t hate black people; I hate hypocrisy. And I hate what an entire community has done to itself. And continues to do to every single black conservative with the courage to speak out.

    Like I said, Valerie, you are a hero. Especially for teaching your sons to swim against the tide when it is so easy to just go with the flow. Don’t think “white male conservatives” like me don’t admire you!!!

    Right now WHITE senior citizens are adding their ignorance to what I describe above. And “Mediscare” is working. But here’s the thing: in 3,000 days, Medicare will go completely bankrupt, and Democrats will murder old people by the tens of thousands because they demonized Republicans for trying to fix a system that everyone with a functioning brain cell should know is totally broken.

    It’s NOT about “race”; it’s about CULTURE. I think of Europe – a whole continent of white people – and I see a culture that I despise. And there are too many people today who are getting trapped in a culture of stupidity who are smart enough to know better.

    Btw, Valerie, my church is mostly white, no question about it. But if you came to MY church, you would be embraced and affirmed.

    As one example, there’s an old black man named Bill in my church. He is 96 years old. On June 10, I am going to take the time to drive him and his wife to Riverside (120 mi round trip). Why? Three reasons: he is very old, and I RESPECT my elders and love to do what I can to help (which is why he called me and asked me); second, because he’s an old BLACK man, and I know he’s experienced a lot of REAL RACISM in his life. And to the extent that I can affirm what he already knows – that there are plenty of white people who despise that crap – I’m proud to do my part; and third, because he’s a great man (you don’t get that old without having something goin’ for you!), he’s a joyful man, and because he’s my friend. And when I call him on the phone every now and then he always says to me, “I love you, Michael.” And I say, “And I love you, Bill.”

    And I’m far from the only one who helps Bill. He has a neighbor who goes to our church named Shirley. That woman has taken Bill and Marie to all kinds of appointments.

    I do know for a fact that if you aren’t being fed and if you don’t have a REAL community in your church, there are a whole lot of churches that would beg to have you.

  101. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    Onward Christian soldier! It would seem that in these ‘last hours’, some of us [Christians] are going to swing that sword in more ways than one!

    The majority of Christians have chosen to be complacent and non-confrontational. And, that choice has gotten us in the position that we are currently in. Both politically and spiritually.

    We MUST confront sin, and STAND for righteousness!

    Valerie

  102. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    With Valerie (8:23 am) I entirely agree.

    I would say that it’s a straw man to argue that we somehow don’t want Obama saved. Just as I would argue that it is simply unbiblical to argue that we shouldn’t confront a sinner’s sin, or that doing so will keep him/her from coming to Christ.

    I pointed out the example of my own mother, who a) condemns Obama just as I do and b) prays for him every day. The two things are in no ways incompatible with one another.

  103. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    The root of the ‘race’ problem as you know is Satan.

    He will use every tool at his disposal to ‘distract’ people from our real assignment. He will create division among races, religions, communities, churches, and families.

    And, for the express purpose of distracting people from the real assignment, and that is saving souls.

    So what has happened in the Black community? ‘Caring’ politicians have knocked on the church door and offered to provide ‘gratuities’ and gifts to all [pastors] who would buy into his rhetoric and false promises. [get votes!]

    Oh yes, they made good on a few of the promises, but all it did was create a ‘new kind of slavery’. And many of the pastors, probably reasoned “You know we need to get our forty acres and a mule”.

    Don’t get me wrong I do believe that America owes us that, but nothing more. Had we received at least what the Japanese got after WWII, it might have put us on equal footing.

    And it is those ‘promises’ that caused many in the Black Community to no longer put their faith in Christ. They essentially stopped believing for God to supply their needs. Remember they will do what the ‘pastor’ says. Now, many in the Black community look to the government to supply their needs. It’s an invisible slavery that now exists.
    Sadly, they are not even aware!

    Mike, God is my source, and He will always be MY source. Starting in ‘2008, my daycare business took a terrible hit because of the economy. My rental properties were vacant at times, causing a severe financial hardship for me. Now after three years, I am totally out of a business which was my source of income for over 25 years. Yet I trust God. I am not on food stamps, unemployment or any government handouts.

    And because of the severe stress that this caused, I am now battling an autoimmune disease. Everyday I say “By His stripes I am healed”, I refuse to be defeated. But most importantly I refuse to take my eyes off of Jesus who is the sum total of ALL my needs.

    My friends cannot believe that I will NOT go and apply for food stamps, or unemployment, Medicaid, Medicare, or even SSI.

    To me, to do so would be saying that God is NOT able to DO exceedingly, abundantly above all I can ask or think. To me it would be saying that God’s word is not true. And,God has NEVER failed me. I’ve never been without. One month it got pretty tight, but I didn’t say anything. The next thing I knew, my x came by gassed up my car and gave me grocery money!

    When tribulation comes, and it has already come for some of us, [especially those in the tornado ravished areas] many people Black and White are going to either turn back to God, or blow their brains out.

    I chose God.

    Valerie

    P.S. Charles Payne is a kind of ‘out of touch’ sometimes. That’s just my opinion.

  104. glen cook Says:

    @ michael , i have enjoyed blogging with you and respect your
    views. i’m always encouraged by anyone who studies the bible
    and debates scripture intelligently as you do. you put food for
    thought on the table and that’s what it’s all about. i know many
    times i need to take a step back and look at my actions if i am
    affording to much grace to this person or that person and not
    confronting them the way i should. i also don’t want to be on
    the hypocrite side and think my walk is so good as to chastise
    without do cause. like paul said , i am chief of all and i try to
    keep that with me now a days. i have enjoyed our discussions
    very much and you all have been generous and kind in your
    thoughtful responses. so with that said i will bow out gracefully
    and wish you all , every success in your battles spiritually.

    May Jesus guide you all as his ambassadors here
    on your journey.

  105. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Glen,

    I hope that you are not leaving this blog because of offense. It has never been our intention to offend you in any way. And if I have, I am truly sorry.

    Our Lord desires for us to reach spiritual maturity, but in order for us to reach maturity, we must strive for UNITY ‘in the faith’. [Eph. 4:13]

    As Christians we may not always agree, but we unified ‘in the faith’.

    Glen, we cannot do this alone. We ‘see’ in part, and ‘know’ in part. God purposely ‘measured out’ revelation to each of us, so as to encourage unity in the Body of Christ.

    In Ephesians 4:10-14
    God called men and women of God [apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers] to ‘equip the saints’ for the work of the ministry.

    So that the body of Christ may be ‘built up’ UNTIL we all reach unity in the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God, to become mature, attaining to the ‘whole measure’ of the fullness of Christ.

    So don’t bow out now, because we need the ‘measure’ that you have.

    It takes ALL of us to bring what God has shown us ‘individually’ to make the ‘whole’.

    Remember, the Word of God requires no debate, it is established. It is the Final Authority in all things. It matters not what our understandings or opinions are.

    So even if I don’t understand what you or Mike, MikeA, HL, or David, ect. are saying TODAY, if I indeed sincerely stay in the word and seek him, God is faithful He will reveal it to me. And just as the Holy Spirit is patient with us, so we must be with each other.

    We must examine everything by the scripture AND the leading of the Holy Spirit. I exhort you to do the same without offense and debate. When we understand this, we can love one another, and grow into son ship [maturity] despite our differences. It is my hope that you continue to share the ‘gift’ that is within you.

    Eph. 4:7
    “But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ ‘apportioned it.”

    Yours in Christ,

    Valerie

  106. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen (to your 5:57 pm),

    I can understand why you would feel a little persecuted, with several people siding against you.

    I don’t think that anyone has attacked you harshly. I have tried VERY HARD to not do so.

    The primary reason I have continued to interact with you on this issue (to fight/attack versus not to fight/attack) is because it is important. It is an important issue for many Christians who are honestly asking, “What should we do?”

    I can’t write an article on an issue like this very easily because it is as much spiritual and/or psychological as it is biblical or factual. This is not to say that “biblical or factual” somehow contradicts “spiritual and/or psychological,” but there are simply so many nuances that no one article – no matter how well written – could ever do it justice. An argument or debate is a much more effective way to get to the core of this issue and help sincere Christians resolve this dilemma for themselves in their own hearts.

    I have never tried to say that YOU should be just like ME. At least, that wasn’t my intent. Rather, I have tried to defend or justify my approach. The reason I wouldn’t say, “You need to get in people’s faces and start shouting if you’re a good Christian” is that there are MANY ways to reach different people. And as you have rightly stated: ALL people should be reached.

    I think most Christians know that you can love somebody into the kingdom. I think most would agree that you can pray somebody into the kingdom. But what about arguing somebody into the kingdom? That sounds strange to some. But I believe you can. I think that you can present arguments to a sincere skeptic that will lead them to Christ. And now let me go even further: what about fighting somebody into the kingdom? That sounds even stranger.

    Here, I’m not necessarily saying that I’m going to be able to lead the people I’m fighting – who at least at this time in their lives are savage enemies of Christ – into the kingdom. Rather, my intention is to fight to protect the milions of people who will PERISH if the evil radical socialist agenda of the left gets implemented.

    I am fighting to maintain America as a place where Christians can freely worship, and can practice their faith. If the left gets their way, a lot of things will dramatically change, and change for the worse.

    Do I occasionally cross the line and “go too far”? I would be the first to admit that sometimes I do. Like I said, to get into the political arena and fight as a Christian is to walk on a very narrow balance beam between righteous and unrighteous anger, and between good and bad tactics.

    I compare it to a war. Consider WWII. Did the allies do everything right? No, but they were fighting two fascist enemies (Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany) who were so evil that they had to be stopped. And some tactics that might seem unthinkable simply needed to be implemented. Take dropping the atomic bobm: if we hadn’t done it, a MINIMUM of 100,000 more American lives would have been lost, along with MILLIONS more Japanese lives. It’s relatively easy to look at it from one side and say it was a terrible thing to do with a terrible weapon. But I believe given the alternative, it was the right thing to do.

    There are a lot of issues like that that Christians face. Is it wrong to lie? Yes. Is it right to lie to protect the Jews you are hiding in your attic? And I would also answer, “Yes.” Because if you say “No” or if you refuse to say nothing, the Nazis will search the house and find the Jews and kill them. And your “honesty” will contribute directly to that happening. Sometimes you simply have to do things you otherwise wouldn’t want to do to stop evil. Another issue is violence. Is it right to punch somebody in the face? No. Is it right to punch somebody repeatedly in the face who is raping your wife? YES. I can’t imagine a husband who would refuse to protect his wife. But there are Christians out there who literally argue that you would be a sinner to do so if it involved violence. And I can’t understand those people. They’ve taken one little part of the Bible and refused to comprehend it in the context of the rest of the Bible.

    It gets trickier and trickier the more you go. How MUCH should you hit your wife’s rapist? Should you risk your wife’s life and your own by restraining your use of force to the absolute minimum? What if you kill him? Would it be immoral to kill your wife’s rapist? It gets harder and harder to state a crystal clear biblical case. The Bible is God’s Word, but it is God’s Word to humans in human language to humans. And I often cite Bill Clinton’s “It depens on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is” to show how hard it is to underscore the issue of human interpretation of language.

    Again, I believe God’s Spirit calls some people to think and act in one way, and others to think and act in another way. And if we’re true believers, our ways should ultimately complement one another even when we may have a hard time seeing how.

    I can understand why you would want to cease the debate we’ve been having. I agree; we’ve probably covered most of the bases. You have helped lay out certain positions that Christians SHOULD consider before they get involved in politics.

    I would hope that you stick around and continue to state things as you understand them. As Valerie said earlier, you do provide balance.

    But if you feel your gifts are more useful or needed elsewhere, then I add my blessings to you. And I will mention your name in my prayers for your health.

  107. glen cook Says:

    @ all you guys, YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG , I DO NOT FEEL

    PERSECUTED AT ALL. YOU GUYS ARE GREAT AND I HAVE

    GREAT RESPECT FOR YOU ALL.

    it’s my pleasant experience to have people back up their
    points with scripture and debate with you guys. And i think
    we all agree basically on all the issues. I know what this
    president does is evil as with previous administrations.

    I’ll say a couple things that come to mind.

    I think it’s beyond a president now to change the abortion
    issue because it’s so strongly entrenched in the american
    society now that a woman must have the right to choose.
    That’s a huge piece of the voting population and if you notice
    when he speaks on abortion he doesn’t address the morality
    of it , instead he avoids it and bolsters directly at the woman
    about supporting them in their choice. I don’t like people
    telling me what to do either, and no raped woman should be
    told to do anything she doesn’t want to and other circumstances
    also. But the problem in this country is everybody thinks sex is
    candy. I myself when younger went through a few girlfriends
    and finally realized that I wasn’t glorifying God in my behavior.
    I decided even though lonely i would stay single unless I felt
    fully able to handle the responsibility of a relationship and
    in a Godly way. When i think some times that I’m missing
    out here , I then think about Jesus who had no one on the
    cross. He did have his fellow believers there, his mother,
    and even the thief on one side recognized his work for him
    and that i’m sure meant alot to the Lord. But on abortion, what
    ever happened to all the protest we used to have when
    you could drive by a place and see a couple hundred christians
    out on the street holding up signs. And why can’t christain
    churches organize one day a year and call it pro-life day
    and have masses accross the nation protest like the days
    of vietnam. What’s happened to us ? We need the will of
    the people or else what ever we do will be overturned in
    supreme court just as it all began there. That’s why it’s not
    even worth chastising Obama on that issue. We aren’t
    united enough in the masses to stick it to the higher courts.

    Doesn’t mean he won’t have hell to pay for that sin either.

    On the Satan and Jude thing. I still might have a little
    different perspective on a few things there but i’ll tell you
    what most concerns me. If you were a police chief and
    you had a case with detectives who worked a particularly
    heinous crime, you would tell your detectives not to touch
    that person in any way shape or form until you dot all I’s
    and cross all your T’s for the trial. That’s why Michael
    doesn’t kick the shit out of him yet. God has already giving
    the privilege of collaring him just as the chief would
    award that privilege to his detective when the time was
    right, ” Ok boys , go out and bring him in , and well done “.
    That’s why Michael is waiting on the Chiefs word. God is
    using Satan in his foolishness as a tool and Dotting his I’s
    and Crossing his T’s. He wants to see who will truly accept
    him and who won’t in the midst of these wicked times. Just as
    the detectives already have enough evidence to take him
    in The chief says i want every last detail in order before you
    bring him in. That’s what God is doing now. And that’s why
    he allows Satan to still come before the throne and
    accuse. But he has already again from Jude as we know
    thrown some angels into hell and chained them for
    Judgment day. These are some of the 1/3 that followed
    Satan and had sex with the daughters of men before the
    flood. Those are the ones already being held for Judgment.
    God said enough and was heart broken that now even
    the daughters of men would solicit unnatural behavior from
    these beings. And in the old testament as in Genesis even
    God said ” Sin is a demon knocking at your door and you
    must be it’s master” with Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel.
    But because the holy spirit wasn’t available to everyone
    in the old testament and the 2,000 lb veil in the holy of holies
    wasn’t torn apart yet when Jesus died on the cross indicating
    that now every believer could approach God personally
    and we didn’t need a high priest anymore, people in the
    old testament didn’t have the gifts of the spirit readily
    available to them. That’s why the bible doesn’t talk much
    about laying on of hands or deliverance or Satan for that
    matter much in the old testament. You had to becmoe
    basically ceremonial clean through offerings and such.
    Now every believer has access to the gifts Corinthians
    speaks of. Now the Lord speaks over and over again
    about who our adversary is and the Authority we have
    over him in the name of Jesus. He commanded many
    more than the 12 as you know, like the 72 in Luke
    who’m he commanded go out heal the sick cast out demons
    and likewise. And those are just some of the ones
    we know about. His great command is tell every soul
    to go out and preach the gospel. That’s what the chief
    is waiting on.

    But anyway , as I said I am pleasantly treated to conversing
    with sincere intelligent Christians such as yourself. And thank
    you for the invitation to pop back in. It means alot to me.
    So then i’ll just say i’ll bow out for now. My health issues
    cause me to shutdown sometimes so i can rest and get
    my body back in order with stamina and ect…; And that’s
    why sometimes i need to shutdown. Plus i’m just old
    and beat up. Too many miles. Ha, Ha,. I’ll be back !!!!!!!!!

    You guys are awesome and truly brothers and sisters
    in christ. Heres a thought ! what happens to the souls
    of the beings created when the fallen angels had sex with
    the daughters of men ? Oh boy now I started another
    discussion. Ha, Ha.

    Blessed are you all and may your work for Christ
    be glorified. I’ll be back guys.

  108. HL Says:

    In response to Glen @ 6:54. Dear Glen, please take the time and read the 53 factually detailed articles Michael has written on Abortion. Your comments reveal you are very unaware and uniformed of what is taking place in America presently in the abortion/life battle.
    Many states are passing pro-life legislation and governors are signing them into law. In my own state of Florida, 4 pro-life bills just passed and Gov Scott has pledged to sign them. States are de-funding Planned Parenthood and the ACLU is fighting to stop them. Over 60% of Americans polled now say abortion should be illegal in most cases.
    Have you read about Lila Rose? The young woman who has gone into the belly of the beast to expose the heinous acts PP has been doing? Have your read about Lou Engle and Bound 4 Life and the thousands of young people who have traveled around this country to stand in front of abortion mills and intercede with tape over their mouths with the words “Life” written on it to bring to public awareness to the unheard and silenced cry of the unborn? Since 1973 there have been thousands of people praying, fighting, starting pro-life centers for women to come to and be helped with their pregnancies. This is all funded by private individuals and churches. Do you know how many doctors have stopped doing abortions due to the documentary ‘Silent Scream?’
    This battle is being fought on many fronts. Hearts are being turned against abortion and toward protecting the unborn. States are passing legislation.
    The glaring DISTINCTION with Obama is his voting record on the partial-birth abortion legislation and his unwavering support of PP and abortion. First as a Senator in Illinois. Glen, Obama was THE ONLY SENATOR WHO VOTED AGAINST THE ‘BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT.’ He of course has lied and mis-represented himself since then.
    Three days after he was inaugurated he signed an executive order to fund abortion around the globe with our tax dollars.
    Glen, it seems like you are thinking in a morally relative manner. That because past adminstrations have not done everything right. or you don’t see numbers in front of abortion clinics, you rationalize WHAT Obama has and is doing.
    Glen, Obama is the most pro-abortion president this country has ever elected. This is the truth. His record proves my point. He is what we are fighting NOW. He must be stopped and his wicked laws, executive orders and regulations repealed.
    Please take the time to inform yourself of these matters.

    http://nrlc.org/Records/obamarecord0309.pdf

    http://www.jillstanek.com/2008/02/links-to-barack-obamas-votes-on-ils-born-alive-infant-protection-act/

  109. HL Says:

    The records of presidents who have served since abortion was legalized in 1973.

    http://nrlc.org/PresidentialRecords.htm

  110. HL Says:

    A site covering abortion/life news daily.

    http://www.lifenews.com/

  111. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Take care Glen, and we hope to hear from you soon.

    Yours in Christ,

    Valerie

  112. glen cook Says:

    also president ford & carter pro-choice.

  113. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    I agree that Satan is the root of racism. In fact, I would go one step farther and say that Satan is the root of the races. At least that’s what I get from the Tower of Babel incident in Genesis 11.

    We’re all human beings; we merely have different melatonin levels and small superficial differences based on exposure to particular climates.

    Unless you’re a Darwinist, of course. Then it’s perfectly consistent to be a racist. After all, the full title of Darwin’s “masterpiece” is On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a racist and a Darwinian who believed that eugenics was the answer to help preserve the “favored races” by aborting the less-favored races.

    Really evil stuff.

    You’re actually more philosophically opposed to the welfare state than I am – which is really pretty remarkable because I’m REALLY against it. [That said, I don't criticize the system because people in need turn to it until they can get back on their feet; I oppose it because history has thoroughly proven that too many people are weakened by the handouts with the result of generational poverty].

    There’s another side to the entitlement mentality that I’ll also mention as I agree with your main point (that it is a replacement of God with “the state”); and that is that redistribution of wealth is stealing. It is the use of naked collectivist power to seize other people’s property and hand it out to special interests as a reward for their vote and support.

    We saw in the 1930s and 1940s what it looked like in Germany for white people to assert their racial “rights.” We also saw Imperial Japanese assert their racial “rights.” We of course have seen it in America, too – albeit to a tiny degree in comparison with what Germany did – to this very day. And we’ve been seeing black people and now hispanic people demand racial preferences for too long, too.

    And at the heart of it all is a sense of bitterness and entitlement. And, yes, that comes from Satan.

    Prior to the “New Deal” era, America had NEVER had welfare of any kind. Families, communities, cities, counties and states took care of their own. And then FDR took over. And of course LBJ waged his war on poverty. And somehow in spite of all the promises these demagogues and many others made, poverty seems to have won.

    We have made the State God and Savior. It is the State we turn to, the State we put our trust in, the State that saves and delivers us.

    The only problem is that the State aint God and it aint a Savior.

    Here’s something I’ve copied and put into a text file on “the State”:

    The 1828 Webster American Dictionary of the English Language defines “politics” “The science of government; that part of ethics which consists in the regulation and government of a nation or state, for the preservation of its safety, peace and prosperity; comprehending the defense of its existence and rights against foreign control or conquest…and the protection of its citizens in their rights, with the preservation and improvement of their morals.”

    Sphere sovereignty

    Family ——— Labor
    Church ——— State
    God & Man —— Community

    The State
    Romans 13
    Delegation of Authority
    Submission
    Purpose

    The State
    Romans 13
    purpose of the civil authority?
    1. Punish evil
    2. Condone good

    The Civil Authority must know
    the basis for calling something
    good or evil.

    Death by the State:
    “Almost 170 million men, women and
    children have been shot, beaten,
    tortured, knifed, burned, starved,
    frozen, crushed or worked to death;
    buried alive, drowned, hung, bombed
    or killed in any other of a myriad of
    ways governments have inflicted
    death on unarmed, helpless citizens
    and foreigners.”

    Death by the State:
    Joseph Stalin 42,672,000
    Mao Zedong 37,828,000
    Adolf Hitler 20,946,000
    Chiang Kai-shek 10,214,000
    Vladimir Lenin 4,017,000
    Hideki Tojo 3,990,000
    Pol Pot 2,397,000

    R.J. Rummel, “Death by Government”

    Voltaire – “Those who can make you
    believe absurdities can
    make you commit
    atrocities.”

    If man is good, why is there evil?
    “…experience leads me to
    believe that it is cultural
    influences which are the
    major factor in our
    evil behaviors.”
    Rogers, Carl. “Notes on Rollo May.” Journal of Humanistic
    Psychology. Summer 1982, p. 8.

    “Sick people are made
    by a sick culture;
    healthy people are
    made possible by a
    healthy culture.”
    Maslow, Abraham (1968). Toward a Psychology of Being, 3rd
    Edition. New York: John Wiley, 1999, p. 7.

    “The Universal is to be found in the
    State…The State is the Divine Idea as it
    exists on earth…We must therefore
    worship the State as the manifestation
    of the Divine on earth, and consider
    that, if it is difficult to comprehend
    Nature, it is harder to grasp the Essence
    of the State…the State is the march of
    God through the world…”
    Hegel, as quoted in
    quoted in Popper, Karl R. The Open Society and its Enemies, 4th ed.,
    2 vols. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1963, vol. 2, p.
    31.

    Humanist Manifesto II
    No deity will save us;
    we must save ourselves.”
    http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html.

    When a society rejects God,
    it will increasingly look for
    someone else to save them.
    That “savior” often
    becomes the “king”…
    Hegel’s “March of God on Earth,” quoted in
    Schlossberg, Herbert. Idols for Destruction. Wheaton: Crossway
    1993, p. 178.

    Humanist Manifesto II
    “We deplore the division of humankind on
    nationalistic grounds. We have reached
    the turning point in human history where
    the best option is to transcend the limits of
    national sovereignty and to move toward
    the building of a world community in
    which all sectors of the human family can
    participate. Thus we look to the
    development of a system of world law and
    a world order based upon transnational
    federal government.”
    http://www.amerianhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html.

    from whence comes our salvation:
    from God?
    Psalm 121:1,2 I lift up my eyes to the hills—
    where does my help come
    from? My help comes from
    the LORD, the Maker of
    heaven and earth

    Or from the state?
    Hegel, “…the State is the march of God
    through the world…”

    But the people refused to listen
    to Samuel. “No!” they said.
    “We want a king over us. Then
    we will be like all the other
    nations, with a king to lead us
    and to go out before us and
    fight our battles.
    1 Sam 8:19-20

    Who will go before us?
    Isaiah 52:12 –
    “…the Lord will go before
    you, the God of Israel will be
    your rear guard.”
    Acts 7:40
    “They told Aaron,
    ‘Make us gods
    who will go
    before us.’”
    Exodus 32:1
    “Come, make us
    gods who will go
    before us.”
    Exodus 13:21
    “And the
    LORD
    went
    before
    them by
    day in a
    pillar of
    cloud…”

    Social Disorder and the Decline of a Culture
    Five attributes marked Rome at its end:
    1) a mounting love of show and luxury
    2) an obsession with sex, including homosexuality
    3) freakishness in the arts, masquerading as originality, and enthusiasms pretending to be creativity
    4) an increased desire to live off the state
    Gibbon, Edward (1946). The history of the decline and fall of the
    Roman Empire. New York, NY: Heritage Press.

    Who are we really rejecting?
    God said to Samuel:
    “…it is not you they have
    rejected, Samuel, but they have
    rejected me as their king.”
    1 Sam 8:7

  114. Michael Eden Says:

    Glen,

    Pleased to hear that you didn’t feel like people were doing what they all say they weren’t trying to do.

    Feelings are an honest reaction; but they aren’t always a realistic or rational reaction based on facts. It’s an easy thing to feel slighted and get one’s nose bent out of joint. It happens to everybody. So I’m glad that that wasn’t the case.

    I have prayed for you my last two walks re: your health. I’ll keep that up.

    What you say about the president – “I think it’s beyond a president now to change the abortion issue because it’s so strongly entrenched in the american society…” – may or may not be right. Slavery had the same thing said about it. And what’s funny is that the exact same people (Democrats) are saying the exact same things about the unborn they said about blacks (“They’re not fully human, so we can do to them what we please”). And the 19th century of “liberal activist judges” agreed with the slave owners’ “right to choose.” And why shouldn’t people have a right to choose when it’s only about blacks or fetuses? I mean, it’s not like they’re human or anything. And just like the argument that one is “pro-child, pro-choice” because it would be wrong to raise an unwanted child, we had the argument of “the white man’s burden,” that blacks would degenerate into savagry if they were left to themselves, and who would want that?

    Lincoln did something that had never been done before, and which has never been done since: he in effect said to the Supreme Court, “You are wrong.”

    I don’t know if we’ve got a president with the courage and the iron-forged will to take such a stand.

    As to your question – “But on abortion, what ever happened to all the protest we used to have when you could drive by a place and see a couple hundred christians out on the street holding up signs?” – the answer is that liberal judges began to use the RICO Act to attack Christians as criminals who were acting like a criminal organization to shut down a lawful business. That’s the kind of mindset that I’m fighting to try to change.

    I most certainly agree with what you said about the “will of the people.” And I am probably as skeptical as you are that we will ever have a true and abiding will of the people on the side of righteousness. But I am doing my best in the best way I know how to work for that.

    Glad to hear we’ll hear from you again. You have my prayers.

    Michael

  115. Michael Eden Says:

    HL,

    Wow, THAT WAS GREAT.

    What HL said.

    Lila Rose is a true hero. She’s a pretty young lady with all the guts and determination of the toughest Navy SEAL.

  116. HL Says:

    Thanks, Michael, that means a lot coming from you.

  117. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Wow Michael!

    I am awe inspired! With great historical knowledge, you eloquently expounded on the current state off affairs in this nation. As I read it, I was exhilarated and thankful. To finally be able to interact with people who are both spiritually and intellectually aware of the times that we are in. It’s truly a blessing to talk to guys. You really get it!

    As to the people turning to the ‘state’ as the source of all their needs, we are really really in trouble. The people are prepped and ready for a ‘savior.’ [The Antichrist]

    Today, most people feel that they are ‘entitled’ to everything that the government promises to give them. But what they don’t understand [or want to accept] is the fact that America is broke, and it simply cannot fulfill those promises.

    The Republicans need to break it down into ‘lay terms.’ When I ask my friends if they’ve had to make ‘budget cuts’ in their own personal lives, they always say yes.

    Then I proceed to ask them to describe those cuts. Their response is cable, eating out, movies, video games, going out, medical coverage reductions, auto insurance reductions, clothes, putting off buying a new car, cutting back of gasoline and groceries, etc.

    They understand that the money is no longer there, and that they simply CANNOT sustain the lifestyle that they once did.

    They understand that they cannot look to the Obama administration to cut them a check for their deficit. Yet our government is looking to other nations to take care of America’s deficits! I point out to them if you don’t make your mortgage payments, can you keep the house?

    The Republicans need to let the public know over and over again just how indebted we are to other nations.

    The Republicans need to let the public know over and over again how much money is sent for so-called foreign aid. [In dollars and cents]

    The Republicans need to let the public know how much money is going to Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and the military in dollars and cents.

    Then maybe the public will put pressure on the government to bring our young men and woman home. The cost to take care of ONE military troop is estimated to be over $1,000,000 per year!

    But even worse than that, our men and women are losing life and limb for a cause that is futile. These people want us dead, and have no interest in democracy. So why are we there?

    These questions need to raised, over and over again in speech after speech.

    Mike my question is this. In light of the Japanese earthquake and the subsequent ‘ripple effect’ that it is having on our economy. Not to mention the whirlwinds, droughts, and floods, giving body blows to our economy, can you expound on these questions.

    1) What will happen if the U.S. defaults on her interest payments to these foreign countries?

    2) Do you see us becoming Chinese citizens in the next few years?

    3) And in light of how much we owe Japan, can they just relocate to their ‘new’ nation as well?

    4) Did America put in any ‘safeguards’ from takeovers, in their loan agreements from these nations, in the event of a default?

    5) Do I need to take a course real soon in mandarin Chinese?

    Valerie

  118. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    HL,

    The only senator to vote AGAINST the ‘Born Alive Protection Act’?

    Boy, I had a vision of him stepping out of that human suit again.

    Surely, we’re NOT dealing with flesh and blood here. What kind of ‘being’ would vote to kill a living, breathing baby?

    My grand baby, was born premature last month. Weighing in at 2lbs 5oz.
    We are praying everyday for him to grow strong, gain weight, and for his little organs to be able to do the job that his mother would have done, had he been in her womb.

    What kind of monster is in the White House?

    I guess he would have killed our baby!

    Valerie

  119. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie (re: your 5:25 comment),

    Here are three articles I’ve written on Obama and his involvement with genuine infanticide:

    http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/jill-stanek-on-why-barack-obama-voted-for-infanticide/

    http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/obama-crossed-line-from-abortion-to-genuine-infanticide/

    http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/why-barack-obama-is-a-baby-killer-period/

    I’ll add your grandson to your sister Lisa Ann in my prayers. What is his first name?

    Human life is precious, precious, precious. A “fetus” (which merely means “young one” in Latin) is human by virtue of its parents, and a being by virtue of the fact that it exists. It is a human being.

    Every father and every mother has a duty to love and support his and her child. Only a genuinely depraved society ready for judgment and destruction abandons that sacred duty.

  120. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    What will happen if the U.S. defaults on her interest payments to these foreign countries?

    Other countries have done this (banana republics), and basically they go down the drain. First, countries that renege on their debts have their assets seized overseas (and of course the U.S. has a lot of assets overseas). Second, such nations are cut off from capital flows until the rest of the global finance market is completely assured that the leaders and system that reneged on their debts are long gone. And third, you can pretty much kiss international trade goodbye.

    As for the U.S., it depends. Most of what is going on right now with the debt ceiling hype doesn’t actually mean much. If we don’t raise our debt ceiling, we won’t default on our debt or our interest payments. It would take a prolonged battle before our credit rating took a serious hit.

    What you are describing is something that will happen in ten or so years if we keep going in the direction that Democrats are bound and determined to take us. Here is a sobering statistic: according to the CBO, Obama’s reckless spending will add $5.6 TRILLION to our interest payments over the next ten years. And we are only ten years away from having interest payments of over $1 trillion a year every single year. And rising from there, of course.

    We are not far off from a breaking point, from a total meltdown. And when we reap that whirlwind from sowing the wind, it won’t just be the US that falls apart; it will be the whole world – China and Japan included.

    Interestingly, China and Japan are “in bed” with us now. They could economically ruin us right now if they wanted to, but they would be ruined as well. In fact, America simply not buying Chinese and Japanese products alone would send their economies into a depression.

    I can’t be 100% certain about this, but I believe that America’s collapse will be the harbinger of doom that will usher in the Antichrist. When we collapse – and we WILL SOON – the whole world will be plunged into ruin. America is the global reserve currency. Most commodities are purchased in US dollars.

    When I read Revelation 6, the way I understand it is that the world system collapses. There is financial catastrophe, with the world markets in shambles. There is famine. There are wars. And then this incredible man arises that seems to have an answer to all of our problems. Where everyone else was utterly helpless, this man will have answers. He will “save the day.” He will be so amazing that people will literally worship him. He will be the beast. And in only seven years from his arrival as global dictator, he will turn the Utopia he promised and seemed to be delivering on into a total hell on earth.

    Here’s the thing, Valerie. Many Christians think that things won’t be too bad, then the rapture will happen, and then Antichrist will come.

    But there’s no reason to assume things will happen that way. Once the U.S. collapses and sends the world into depression and chaos, it could well be YEARS or even DECADES before the Antichrist actually comes onto the scene. It could also all go down in a very short time.

    Think about it: one giant scare could result in a hazy picture snapping into focus in only weeks or even days. Take the threat of a global nuclear war, for instance. How would the world react to that? You’d have world leaders getting together and making sweeping agreements out of fear. In the aftermath of a terrifying threat – even if it doesn’t materialize – we could have a very different world in a very short time.

    And, of course, that world will look like the picture that the Bible has warned us about for two thousand years and more.

    I believe that the Antichrist will emerge from Europe, and that Europe will be the ultimate power center. We tend to look at the power of China and the malaise that Europe is in and assume everything will revolve around China, but I believe the Bible.

    Here’s an article pointing out that it aint all happy-happy in China. They’re in for real problems themselves: http://www.firstpost.com/world/china-economy-hardlanding-6115.html

    As for your question about “safeguards” from takeovers, you know, I don’t know. I DO know that Chinese are buying a lot of our property RIGHT NOW in our depressed real estate market. My guess is that they wouldn’t just “take over” America, but rather that America would be left in shambles as little more than a larger-than-average banana republic.

    As for learning Chinese, all I can say is that is one tough language to learn. I myself am working hard on Spanish. If things got bad, that’s probably where I’d run to (or Canada, maybe I should consider French, too!).

    I completely agree with you that Republicans need to put the coming crisis in terms that households can understand. And it’s not that hard, either, as you point out.

  121. HL Says:

    Valerie, I wonder if all professing Christians who are Black and voted for Obama understood and believed his intentions and voting record toward babies who survivie abortions, COULD THEY………WOULD THEY VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN????
    Of course he had his then spokesperson Robert Gibbs respond to questions about his record with, ‘Do you really think Senator Obama would let a baby who survived an abortion be left to die?’
    YES. I. DO. HIS. RECORD. TELLS. ME. SO.
    Over and over again we see this denial of the truth when Obama is called to account for his words and actions.

    Valerie, I too will be praying for your little gandbaby.

  122. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    HL,

    Thanks for your prayers,

    My grand baby’s name is Judah, it means praise! He’s up to 3lbs now, praise God! We’ve all been praying really hard.

    HL, NO most Black Christians are unaware of his record. Remember, if the pastor endorses him, then he must be OK, right?

    Most pastors are too busy with raising money for the building fund and their ‘Bentleys’ to really investigate what a DEMOCRATIC candidates record looks like. [present company excluded]

    So like Jim Jones they drink the kool-aid and go like zombies to the voting booth!

    That’s why it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to put this information out in the public. I tell you if enough information is uncovered about Obama, the African American Christians will change their votes.

    I’ve been working on a couple myself. It’s rough though, because he has this ‘mesmerizing’ quality about him. Plus they’ve been drinking that kool aid for sooo long, it’s hard to penetrate.

    Obama’s like that serpent in my dream. They’ll listen but are they talking like they are going to do anything different at the voting booth, No.

    But, if the economy gets worse, and they’re broke long enough they will make a change at the voting booth. Being broke coupled with more information regarding Obama just might push them over the tipping point.

    Obama [the 'little' beast] must be exposed and uncovered! We need some Former Black Democrats to do this, Black Republicans too. We need Black senators, Black congressmen to speak out about what Obama is really doing. That’s what the Republicans need to make their main agenda, to put some Black folks out their exposing Obama!

    I believe it would be most effective. All they would need to do is interview with news Media over and over again, and the message will get out.

    But I know it will be hard though, because the Liberal Media is biased toward Obama.

    Valerie

  123. HL Says:

    Thanks Valerie. Below are some links to HEROIC AA Conservatives who are working to expose Obama, inform and educate. I hope you can take some time and read their articles. I have the utmost respect for these great Patriotic Americans. They are true heroes.

    http://www.lloydmarcus.com/

    http://townhall.com/columnists/starparker/

    http://www.elliswashingtonreport.com/2011/05/03/all-communists/

    http://west.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4216%3Acongressman-allen-west-response-to-president-barack-obamas-call-for-a-two-state-solution-in-israel&catid=73%3Apress-releases&Itemid=2

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=301357

  124. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Thanks Mike,

    Once again you’ve given me insight and wisdom into the sad state of affairs in our great nation. In one of my prophetic news alerts, I stated that America was ALREADY on ‘life support’ spiritually before Obama was elected. And now with his antichrist policies he’s put the nails in the coffin of America. I do recognize that he ‘inherited’ this economic problem, but it didn’t give him license to bury us!

    It’s really depressing to see how those in Washington have mishandled our money. What’s worse they are unwilling to STOP. It’s like they are on drugs are something and they can’t stop the spending.

    So, I’ve been alerting my friends to stock up on food and other things that may be in short supply.

    Even FEMA is buying up freeze dried foods making it harder for us regular folks to get it.

    I’ve bought some seeds so far, but I’m still trying to get dried foods. Jim Bakker.com has a good deal on them. I’ve got a long way to go with my Joseph’s List.

    While Bush was in office, the Lord gave me a prophetic word regarding his administration. It was… “Before this administration is over, you will see a financial collapse.” And that’s exactly what happened.

    I have not gotten anything specific regarding Obama, except when he speaks the scripture in I John comes up in my spirit. “Who is a Liar?”

    Or maybe it’s because my spirit sets off bells and whistles EVERY TIME he speaks!

    Although I truly believe that the serpent dream in ’06 was referring to Obama ‘to come’. You all know that he certainly has a ‘mesmerizing’ effect on people. It’s really eerie.

    I was just joking about learning Chinese, but in a few years it might not be a joke anymore if your timelines are correct.

    And right, a lot of Christians think that they will be ‘swooped’ out of here and not experience any hard times. The Bible does not teach that, in fact it states quite the opposite. Jesus said, “In the world you SHALL have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the word.”

    So based on the word of God, tribulation of some sort is promised to us all. I just hate that the majority in the body of Christ appear to be blind to the ‘signs of the times.’ But I wonder, are they really that blind or rather is it that they just don’t want to accept the reality of the times.

    Can you give me a example of a banana republic? Greece?, Russia?,

    Or are you saying that it’s the monkeys in Washington that have screwed everything up, because they sure act like it. They continue to not use the good sense that God gave them to make the right decisions.

    Both Republicans and Democrats have messed up everything and now they are ‘scratching their heads’ [like monkeys] and trying to figure out what to do.

    But worse of all, the Church in many cases is as clueless as the politicians in seeing the magnitude of what is coming.

    Valerie

    P.S. Thanks for the links, I’ll be sure and read them.

  125. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    I don’t even accept the thesis that Obama “inherited” our economic problem. I’ve written about this as well: if you look at the facts, you will see two things: 1) that Democrats’ spending was what drove us over the cliff. As an example, the last REPUBLICAN budget (FY2006) had a deficit of $161 billion. THE VERY NEXT YEAR, Democrats passed a FY2007 budget with a $459 billion deficit. And it just exploded from there. But who do the Democrats blame for “reckless spending”? Republicans. In the same way, during the Clinton years, the so-called “budget surplus” was ENTIRELY the product of the Republicans’ takeover of Congress in 1994 (they took over both the House and Senate, and FORCED Clinton to reduce spending).

    I write about that here:

    http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/obama-turns-to-clinton-to-advance-the-democrats-as-party-of-success-myth-as-his-economy-turns-to-crap/

    2) It was the reckless policies of DEMOCRATS that led to the economic collapse in 2008. THE major reason bar none for our collapse was Fannie and Freddie Mae, created by Democrats, staffed with Democrats, and using policies primarily enacted by Democrats.

    I write about that in posts like this one: http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/biden-we-misread-the-economy-and-its-all-the-republicans-fault/

    Obama “inherited” the problem ONLY in the sense that he wasn’t president until after the crisis had occured. But when you learn that Obama was a lawyer who helped do the lawsuits that forced banks to make the idiotic loans, when you find out that Obama took more money in less time from the outfits most at fault in the collapse, it’s hard to argue he had nothing to do with it. Then you find out that conservatives were warning about an economic collapse for YEARS over Fannie and Freddie, that John McCain warned of such a collapse, and that George Bush tried 17 times to refrom Fannie and Freddie but was stopped by Democrats, and the evidence is overwhelming.

    But, again, for people to know the media has to be fair. And the media is NOT fair.

    As for banana republics, here is the wikipedia article that describes how the term was derived:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

    Basically, the term “banana republic” refers to a country that is ruled by a strongman who is himself controlled by a still more powerful entity. In sense that I am using it, that more powerful entity would be the foreign creditors who would get to dictate to the late great USA how to do X, Y and Z in exchange for loans or loan guarantees that we would need to feed the people and perform rudimentary infrastructure and social support functions.

    Yes, Greece would qualify as a banana republic. Russia has so much oil they can pay their own bills. The acronym PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain) refers to countries that are essentially bankrupt.

    I agree with you we were spiritually bankrupt before Obama was elected. It wasn’t a righteous people who elected him, but a wicked people. Bad people believe lies, and don’t care enough about “Truth” to investigate for themselves.

    Btw, one of those lies that many on the left have believed, and are circulating on a daily basis, is that our founding fathers were ‘racists’ who didn’t care about slavery. That is a lie.

    Our founding fathers very much wanted to end slavery. They wrote the Constitution in a way that guaranteed that slavery would ultimately end. But at the same time, they were put in a terrible position: the slave-holding southern states would never have joined the union had the founding fathers tried to end slavery then and there. They had to write our founding documents in a way that would make slavery end in the future; they had to create a system and trust that system to work.

    One example is the “three-fifths of a person” clause. They were NOT saying that blacks were only “three-fifths of a human being.” Rather, they were saying that black SLAVES would only be counted as three-fifths of a person for PURPOSES OF REPRESENATION.

    Had they not inserted that language, slavery would have been the law of the land forever. Every black American should thank GOD for that “three-fifths” thing. The reason is that had they been counted as full persons (WHICH IS WHAT THE SLAVE STATES WANTED), those slave states would have had far larger numbers in Congress and been able to dictate the law forever. People who opposed slavery didn’t want to allow slaves to be counted AT ALL; slave states wanted black slaves to be fully counted so they could get more representaives. The “three-fifths” thing was a compromise.

    But as usual, bad people lied, and bad people believed those lies. And now what is a lie (that our founding fathers didn’t believe black people were fully human) is routinely shoved in our faces as “truth.”

    I added that last because, as you say, America truly IS a great nation. And it’s long past time we returned to the principles that made us that way.

  126. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    HL,

    Thanks for the websites, I’ll try and take a look at them. I send out an prophetic update, and some of the information will probably be interesting to share.

    Valerie

    P.S. I talked to a Christian that I sent some information regarding Obama’s policies regarding abortion, homosexuality, and Israel and she agree that what’s he doing is quite evil. Looks like the kool-aids starting to dilute!

  127. HL Says:

    Valerie, may our Lord Jesus bless your every effort as you share the truth. Thanks for report about the one who is seeing the evil.

  128. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    When I said that Obama ‘inherited’ the economic troubles that we are now experiencing, I was not saying that he/democrats were in no way responsible for this mess. Most people will agree that it was BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans that have grossly mishandled the Federal Budget.

    Both parties are guilty of overspending. And I would venture to say that although I voted for Bush, I did not like the way he handled the budget. Especially the Tarp or incentive money given to the banks.

    That decision was most certainly a mistake, and Obama turned around and did the same thing. It’s like throwing good money after bad money.

    As for the 3/5 clause in the constitution. That may have been put in the constitution to keep the South from having a bigger head count, but it just ain’t that simple. For me to ‘thank God’ that my ancestors were described in that way in the U.S. constitution [for whatever reason] is a tall order.

    The reasons behind the phrase does NOT change the fact that African American’s were back then, and even still today in many cases [by reason of the 3/5 definition] considered second class citizens.

    That said, without Christ none of us will ever have the ‘revelation’ of who we are, until we give our lives to Christ.

    It is my faith in the finished work of the cross, that has elevated me to heavenly places. It is my faith in Christ that has make my enemies my footstool. I no longer have accept the reality of where I am today.

    For sure, not all Republicans are bad, but not all are good either. The same applies to Democrats.

    And as for your statement that “bad people lied, and bad people believed that lie”, I disagree.

    Many times, bad people lie, and ‘good’ people believe the lie. It is life’s experiences that will form the perception of others. Life’s experiences make it difficult to rise above and forget the past.

    And it is in those times, that we Must be patient with that person and pray that that person will somehow know the Love of God in their lives.

    As for our founding father’s being considered ‘racists’. There are two definitions of what a racist is and by our definition [which I will explain below], they were racists.

    The ‘true’ definition of racism or racist is a definition that most white people don’t know. Let me explain.

    For African American’s the term ‘racist’ is associated with POWER. Meaning, the power to OPPRESS those who have no economic or political clout.

    This will probably shock you, but by that definition No African American can be racist. In the American Society TODAY, African Americans as a race of people DO NOT have political or economic power.

    White’s control the markets, businesses and politics. Banks consistently practice discrimination by denying small business loans to Black businesses, and deny ‘decent’ mortgages to us. In most cases an African American may have the SAME credentials [e.g. degree, experience] yet still will be hired at a lessor salary. Why? Because whites control the majority of the businesses.

    So by that very definition an African American CANNOT be a racist.

    So when an African American is called a racist it makes no sense to African AmericanS, even Jeremiah Wright!

    Jeremiah Wright does indeed ‘hate’ white people, but by definition he NOT a racist. He has no political or economic power to oppress anyone. He is in control of no one. He can hire no one, give a loan to no one, or even create government policies for no one. All he can do is spread the hate, rather spread the love. [and if he doesn't stop there's a special place reserved for him.]

    So the next time someone is called a racist and they are African American, we reject the idea. By definition they cannot be. Oh, yes they can hate, but they have NO political or economic power to oppress anyone.

    So when Hannity and others brought up the fact that Obama’s pastor was a ‘racist’ and Obama must be as well, the statement was ‘rejected’ by the Black Community. To them Hannity was the racist because he is in a position of power [media power], he has the ‘power’ to persuade.

    If the Republicans understood this, they might be able to connect with more African American’s. Because pulling the ‘racist’ card in the Black Community can backfire on you.

    Valerie

  129. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Oh yeah,

    For the ‘first time’, and probably last time in American history an African American is in a place of power. So under our definition of a ‘racist’ Obama has to potential to be one, if not already.

    Valerie

  130. HL Says:

    Dear Valerie,

    Here is one more AA, Rep. Tim Scott R-SC, I meant to add to the line up in my earlier comment.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43930

    Blessings,
    HL

  131. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    I won’t go to the mat wrestling for Bush’s “legacy.” Bush ran as a so-called “compassionate conservative,” which is to say that he modified his “conservativeness” to make “conservative” mean something else. And of course a lot of his worst policies are the result of that.

    Interestingly, Obama – in the midst of terrible economic developments – went to Chrysler and patted himself on the back for the bailout. The funny thing is that BUSH was the one who made that decision possible for Obama. BUSH started that ball rolling. And Obama refused to give Bush one shred of credit even as he took complete credit for what Bush did. And the media of course dutifully ignored the hypocrisy, because they themselves are the biggest hypocrites of all.

    As for the three-fifths, thing, a couple of things.

    “Second-class citizens”? They weren’t citizens at all! They were SLAVES! Which is to say that their status was far worse than you describe it.

    You need to put yourselves in the founding fathers’ shoes. Had they NOT made the three-fifths compromise – which again was all about representation, the number of representatives the South got and the resulting amount of influence the South would have – slavery would have continued for generations longer than it did. There would have been no independence, and there certainly would have been no Constitution to create the framework for our own and every future democracy. “America” would have been entirely different, and the world itself would certainly have been very different – and in a very dark way.

    The ONLY way to ever have a “United States of America” meant that the southern states had to join. We didn’t have the unifying principles or the power to be a national union without the south. And that meant some kind of compromise – again, not in philosophical/metaphysical terms of black people’s ontology as humans, but in terms of how slaves would be represented – had to precede.

    The way you are seeing it, the slave-owners were actually the good guys, because THEY WANTED SLAVES TO BE FULLY REPRESENTED. And the people who were most opposed to slavery would be the evil guys, BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T WANT TO GIVE SLAVES ANY REPRESENTATION AT WHATSOEVER.

    I submit you are simply not looking at that correctly. You need to go back to that period and understand what the debate was, what both sides were trying to do, and then you can understand why the “three-fifths” thing resulted.

    And while you say, “even still today in many cases [by reason of the 3/5 definition] considered second class citizens,” I submit that the only reason that this would be true is because people (i.e. the left) continue to misrepresent it in the inaccurate way that you yourself are understanding it.

    Now comes the big bag of worms. I am sorry to say that we may well be parting ways over this one.

    When you say, “This will probably shock you, but by that definition No African American can be racist,” you are again incorrect. I very much understand this mindset – and have attacked it.

    Let me give you one example. Any “understanding” that New Black Panther leader Samir Shabazz is not racist is morally idiotic. I would like to be more polite, but I value the truth. Here’s what Shabazz says:

    SHABAZZ: I hate white people. All of them! Every last iota of a cracker, I hate him! You want freedom? You’re going to have to kill some crackers! You’re going to have kill some of their babies.

    Samir: We didn’t come out here to play. There is to much serious business going on in your black community to be sliding through south street with white, dirty cracker whores on your arms. What’s a matter with you black man, you got a doomsday with a white woman on your arm.
    ……
    “We keep begging white people for freedom. No wonder we’re not free. Your enemy can not make you free fool. You want freedom you’re going to have to kill some crackers. You’re going to have to kill some of their babies.

    Let us get our act together. It’s time to wake up, clean up, and stand up.”

    “I can’t wait for the day that they’re all dead. I won’t be completely happy until I see our people free and Whitey dead.”

    “When you have 10 brothers in uniform, suited and booted and ready for war, white folks know these niggas ain’t their niggas. We kick white folks asses. We take it right to the cracker.”

    “We’re going to keep putting our foot up the white man’s ass until they understand completely. We want freedom, justice and mutha[expletive]‘ equality. Period. If you ain’t gonna give it to us, mutha[expletive], we’re gonna take it, in the name of freedom.”

    THAT is racist to the core. I am won’t hide that I am appalled that you would actually believe otherwise.

    And I frankly lose a great deal of my respect for you if you have bought into a self-serving theory that only the “other race” can be capable of racism.

    Btw, Valerie, I am pretty sure you’ve heard this: A black man is the President of the United States, and a black man is the Attorney General of the United States. In the other party, a black man who was a former CEO of a huge business (Herman Cain) is a serious contender for president. In the Bush administration you earlier spoke of, a black man (Colin Powell) who had previously been the powerful Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under said president’s father became the Secretary of State. And he was in turn replaced by a very capable black woman who likewise held great power and had previously served as the National Security Advisor (Condoleeza Rice) – the same position that the most powerful white woman in the Democrat Party holds today. Black people clearly are not “out of power.” And I would further submit that if you are opposed to “whites controlling a majority of the businesses” given the fact that whites in rather obvious point of fact constitute an overwhelming majority of the population merely means that you want – on a racist perspective – something representing an apartheid government, except you want the minority of blacks to have all the power and the majority whites to have none of it.

    Interestingly, a black man (Clarence Thomas) also sits on the Supreme Court, and no one is more unhappy about that black member than black people.

    But let me put your definition thusly:

    For Caucasian Americans the term ‘racist’ is associated with POWER. Meaning, the power to OPPRESS those who have no economic or political clout.

    Let’s see: the president – who has more power over society and the economy and all the rules and regulations and levers than anybody – is a black man. And the Attorney General – who can shape the “law” at his whim and decide who gets prosecuted and who doesn’t – is also a black man. Both of these men have more power to OPPRESS than I as a white man along with 99.999999999999999999999 percent of white men will EVER hope to have. And therefore by virtue of this power to oppress Barack Obama and Eric Holder are racists and I – and of course all those millions of poor whiteys under these two oppressive powers – can not be called ‘racists’ by definition. I’ve got no clout against these racists at all; just my tiny little peon blog. Help, help! I’m being oppressed by racist black people!!! Does that work better for you now?

    The “theory” that black people cannot be racist because racism is totally about power is every bit as self-serving and arbitrary as it would be for white people to define themselves as not being possibly racist on the grounds that Darwin showed that some races are different and in fact inferior to others, and that it clearly can’t be “racist” to recognize that your race is superior on said “scientific grounds.” And, as an example, had you called a Nazi a racist he/she would have totally failed to understand what you were talking about: “How can I possibly be a racist?” Because their racial theory precluded them from being anything negative, too.

    And what is particularly galling is that Jeremiah Wright himself actually contributes to the latter theory.

    I am also unaware of any argument that can be produced from the Bible about this. Perhaps you could correct me. Given that racism is a sin, can you show me where one race of people are racially disqualified from being able to commit said sin???

    I wrote this in the past, and I stand by every word for the simple reason that it is THE TRUTH:

    I am beyond sick of this crap. Where’s the CONGRESSIONAL WHITE CAUCUS that dedicates itself to securing political benefits for white people, and blacks be damned??? Where’s the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF WHITE PEOPLE that is operating with prestige and acclaim??? Where are the HISTORICALLY WHITE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES that exist to educate white students rather than black students??? Where’s the UNITED CAUCASIAN COLLEGE FUND that exists to give scholarships to white students for the sake of being white??? Where’s the NATIONAL WHITE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE to secure business opportunities for white people against black people???

    Hey, let me ask a more compelling question, given the occupant of the White House: where’s the national major white politician who spent 20-odd years in a “church” that espoused a commitment to the white value system, which entails a commitment to the white community, a commitment to white self-determination, a commitment to the white family, a commitment to white education, a commitment to the white workforce, a commitment to the white ethic, a commitment to white progress, a commitment to support white institutions, and a commitment to pledge allegiance to all white leadership?

    And I AM sick of this crap. It is a form of evil.

    The new “separate but equal” is for race-oriented African-Americans to define themselves one way, and define white people the opposite way – where the way they define themselves excludes them from one of the most terrible charges in our society, and the way they define “the other” makes the “other” guilty of that most terrible of charges – and merely because of the color of their skin. That is quintessential racism.

    If you actually defend that self-referentially hypocritical garbage above, and actually argue that I’m racist merely becuase there are more white people than black people, versus hard-core racists like Shamir Shabazz who can’t be racist just because of the color of his skin – which is itself frankly the most racist thing I can imagine to begin with – we’re in even more trouble than I thought we were.

    This self-serving and hypocritical “definition” that black people can’t be racist is merely further proof that they in can in fact be quite racist, indeed.

    As an example of where I stand, I respect my senior pastor and support him. But if he were to take a morally repugnant position, that support would vaporize in a nanosecond. Because I don’t stand for my “leaders” and I don’t stand for “my community” and I don’t stand for “my race.” I stand for truth. And what you are advocating is a giant lie.

    I can only urge you to recognize that.

    Martin Luther King dreamed of equality for all based on content of character rather than on skin color. It’s hard to listen to his greatest speech and believe that he dreamed of a day when someone like you would say that black people can’t be racist by definition because of the color of their skin.

    I can see more clearly every single day why America’s – and the world’s – days are numbered. And why the beast will be coming soon.

    Michael

  132. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    YOU, did not take the time to understand the definition before you went off on a tangent!

    I said that the term racism or racist is defined in the ‘Black Community’ DIFFERENTLY.

    That is to say that this is how ‘WE’ define it. There is a key element to Racism and that is Power. The Power to Oppress. And yes Obama and the Attorney general are in a position to be Racists. I don’t know much about Eric Holder but I would submit that Obama is a racist by his attitude toward the Jews. [He's in a position of power and can execute that power]

    So it does NOT matter what you ‘think’ the definition of a racist is or should be Mike, it is how ‘we’ [African Americans] define it. And if you don’t want to accept that, that is your choice.

    What it boils down to is how it is defined in the Black Community. And if the Republicans want to court the Black vote, you are going to have to accept that fact, even if you don’t agree.

    It is what it is, and the only way that ALL Americans are going to move toward some type of understanding is to accept some of our differences.

    Our definition of what something is does not negate your definition. It is just different. And screaming, yelling and trying to make your point will not change that fact.

    However knowledge and understanding will. It is the definitions that are different, NOT THE ACTIONS.

    I did NOT say that Black people could NOT be racist if they are in a position of power, IT IS THAT POSITION OF POWER THAT ALLOWS THEM TO BE SO. [by the 'different' definition]

    Again, it is that ‘Position of Power’ that gives them [Black, White, Green, Blue, any people] the ability to become a racist by ‘practicing’ racism through OPPRESSION.

    If you can somehow understand the difference in the definition, I can show you something here that can help you.

    Yes there are many African Americans such as the Shamir Shabazz that are bigoted, prejudice, hate mongers, bias, militant, etc.

    But like I tried to explain to you before, by ‘our’ definition he is NOT a racist. He cannot OPPRESS anyone by the laws he makes, he has no military might, he has no economic clout. He controls no banks. All he has is a big hateful mouth.

    FYI, the Black Panthers, Jeremiah Wright, the NOI, etc have very ‘few’ followers in comparison to the U.S. Black population. African Americans are traditionally ‘religious’ and look at them as hateful and prejudice. These groups have precious little influence in the Black Community.

    So Mike you took it the wrong way, you went off on a tangent, and assumed I was calling YOU a racist. [By YOUR definition]

    No one was calling you a racist because by ‘our’ definition you CANNOT be. Are you in a position of power? Are you holding a political office? Are you a Judge? Can you change the laws? Are you in a position of power in the white house?

    As for Colin Power he had the potential to be racist because he was in a position of power. Clarence Thomas still can be a racist because he can make laws that could OPPRESS. So if he chooses to make laws to Oppress, there you have it.

    So in the ‘Black Community’ as for as racism is defined, if Clarence Thomas, Colin Power, Eric Holder, etc. were to exercise the power that they have at their disposal to OPPRESS they would be considered a racist.

    Obama has exercised his power twice that I know of, through killing innocent babies and against the Jews, so by definition he is a racist as I stated above.

    So Mike, by ‘our’ definition, you are not. You are defining what I said by YOUR definition of what a racist is. [re-read the definition]

    Re-read the definition before you go on a tangent next time, it might give you a little insight into how African Americans ‘see’ American Politics.

    When I gave you the example above of the politician knocking on the church door, did you not see that he was presenting himself as someone that was going to CHANGE THE LAWS to ‘benefit’ African Americans. He was going to STOP the oppressors [the republicans]. He was going make sure that we are given our ‘fair share’ LEGALLY. Are you seeing it now, Mike?

    The Democrats get it, they understand the definition and they are using it to ‘their advantage.’ The question is, when will the Republicans get it?

    “The Republicans are the Oppressors, if they get in the White House they will create policies and change laws to OPPRESS even more.”

    The Democrats are not saying that outright, but they fully understand ‘the definition’. Are you finally getting it Mike?

    Stop using YOUR definition of a racist, and you will finally get it. African Americans look at the term ‘racist’ as a political word.

    And the Democrats know it!

    Valerie
    P.S. Mike, really look at what I’m saying to you, I’m trying to show you and other conservatives something here. And as for me ‘advocating’ a lie, you are wrong Mike. The Truth is that the term ‘racism’ in the Black Community is DIFFERENT, and that is what the Republicans just don’t get.

    Instead of waisting your time trying to ‘defend’ yourselves from the lies that the Democrats have perpetuated for years, LEARN THE DEFINITION. Then you begin to ‘expose’ the so-called ‘new’ polices, laws, and perpetual lies that the Democrats give year after year.

  133. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    One other point. African Americans do not ‘see’ color for the most part. They recognize ‘power’, or political power. We always have.

    You are a history buff, why do you think that the slaves didn’t rise up and kill their masters? Thy cooked their food! They could have killed every single one of them at the dinner table!

    Mike, African American’s have a deep spiritual belief in God, and it is that faith and obedience to Him that stopped the carnage that ‘could’ have taken place in many white homes.

    We understand very well that not ALL white people are OPPRESSORS. Unfortunately people like Jeremiah Wright and Shamir Shabazz didn’t get the memo.

    So if I live next door to you, obviously you don’t have the same ‘power’ that they do in Washington.

    If you choose to live next door to me, you essentially have that we are the ‘same.’

    It’s not your fault that the ‘system’ has in some ways given you a slight advantage. You can’t control what happens at that job interview and in the payroll department any more than I can. We understand that.

    You obviously are not trying to do anything to single me out to OPPRESS me. Because if you were, you certainly would not buy a house next door to me? To be an OPPRESSOR you must hate. And moving next door to me proves that you don’t hate me.

    But what the Republicans need to understand is that the Black Community have been taught that they are empowered when they vote. They are taught that they can ‘level’ the playing field at the ballot box.

    Voting OUT those in ‘power’, [eg. Bankers, politicians, judges, policy makers] who are in a position to ‘single out’ and OPPRESS can be voted out. Also those who have the ‘power’ to FAVOR a particular group can be voted out.

    Now that’s how the majority of Blacks see it, and you may not agree with that perception, but it is what it is.

    So if the Republicans want to to understand why they cannot seem to get the Black Vote. This is why. Racism is a POLITICAL WORD, it’s a POWER WORD, IT IS NOT A ‘COLOR’ WORD.

    Racism is a word that allows a select few to ‘single out’ a particular group of people to OPPRESS them. [for whatever reason, and in whatever way they can]

    And, you may not agree, but you have the proof EVERY election cycle.

    Yes abortion, and other social and moral issues are very important to African Americans, but the perception of ‘those in power’ having the ability to ‘single out’ a particular group carry the weight here. That’s the real problem here.

    Democrats have figured out how to create a ‘perception’ in the Black Community that they are their friends, and the Republicans are their enemies. That if Republicans are voted into power ‘they’ will continue the ‘status quo.’ They will continue to create policies, make laws, and decisions that will ‘keep you down.’ [oppress you]

    If the Republicans would try to learn this they would understand why they cannot seem to court the Black vote. This ‘POLITICAL’ term does not have the racial implications that it does in the White Community.

    Again, you may not agree or you may think it’s ridiculous, but it is that definition that has that kept people like Jeremiah Wright and Sharmir Shabazz OUT OF THE Black COMMUNITY! It is that definition that keeps balance. The average Black person does NOT believe that the average White person is out to get them.

    Most of us got the memo, but IF you will hear what I’m saying you will understand why conservatives cannot get the votes. In the Black community whether you are against abortion or homosexuality does not have as much weight as the ability to OPPRESS.

    Remember, I told you earlier knowledge of the ‘spiritual’ implications are just not evident to most Black Christians because they are compromise of the Word of God. Why defines as being disobedient to God.

    YOU can continue to debate what I’m saying, but the polls confirm it, and the votes prove it. You say that you stand for Truth. What I’m telling you is the TRUTH Mike. It might not be right in your opinion, but it’s POLITICALLY what they believe.

    Valerie

  134. Michael Eden Says:

    Let me get something straight, Valerie.

    Suppose “the white community” gets together – by which I means suppose we start the Congressional WHITE Caucus in politics, where we seek to advance our race against other races like its black counterpart. Suppose we begin a National Association for the Advancement of CAUCASIAN People – where we defend our WHITE Panthers and engage in publicized action against any other people from any other race who offend us. Suppose we start WHITE colleges and universities – sorry, please don’t feel excluded, but you can’t join because you’re black (it’s not your fault, we understand; you were born that way). Suppose we begin the United CAUCASIAN College Fund (UCACEF) where we make sure our white people can have a good education to better compete against the blacks and Asians. Suppose we have our National WHITE Chamber of Commerce to secure better business opportunities for “our people.” And suppose we have no problem voting for the next president who spent his or her entire adult life committed to a church that espoused the WHITE value system – which of course entails a commitment to the white community, a commitment to white self-determination, a commitment to the white family, a commitment to white education, a commitment to the white workforce, a commitment to the white ethic, a commitment to white progress, a commitment to support white institutions, and a commitment to pledge allegiance to all white leadership.

    And then we came up with our own definition of racism which of course made it genetically impossible for us to be racist; but only BLACK people could be racist.

    In other words, suppose we started thinking and acting EXACTLY LIKE YOU.

    Would that make things better?

    And, since the white race came up with its own definition, would your incredibly morally relativisitic standard welcome the fact that white people can’t possibly be racist, because after all white people have their OWN definition and you as a black person are not invited to change it or refute it??? Would you accept our “definition” as valid and legitimte? Would the fact that “it’s OUR choice” make it right???

    Or would you and yours raise a fit?

    Which is to say that YOU are being a massive hyporcrite if you buy that, Valerie.

    You mentioned earlier that Jeremiah Wright couldn’t be a racist, because he’s defined himself in such a racist way that makes every white person guilty of something he can’t possibly be guilty of himself.

    Let me again return to your “race’s” definition of “racism”:

    For African Americans the term ‘racist’ is associated with POWER. Meaning, the power to OPPRESS those who have no economic or political clout.

    Let me ask you, Valerie: who has more clout – Jeremiah Wright who pastored a church of ten thousand people and “mentored” a sitting president – or little Mikey Eden who has a tiny little blog??? We’ve already got Barack Obama as a racist in your book (then again, he’s half white, which makes him half racist, I guess). Now let’s extend that further.

    Jeremiah Wright has more naked clout and power than most white people ever had or ever WILL have in their lives. He lives in a fancy gated country club now.

    So who by this definition is a “racist”? Or did Jeremiah Wright become a racist from living near all those rich white people?

    And keep in mind, I’ve never oppressed anybody. I’ve got a long family tree, and can state for a categorical fact that none of my ancestors owned slaves. In fact, a number of my ancestors fought in the Civil War. And guess which side they ALL fought on? That’s right; the UNION side.

    Now, on the twisted, sick “black definition” of racism which makes EVERYBODY but themselves a part of the problem and demands that EVERYBODY else “fundamentally transform” while they go on with the same poisonous attitudes, I’m a racist merely by virtue of the fact that I am white. I belong to a class. Which again is toxic, poisonous and evil to the core. THAT is the epitome of racism. Individual beliefs and attitudes be damned; they don’t matter. All that matters is what racial group you belong to. And if you’re one color, you are by definition innocent; and if you are another color, you are by definition guilty.

    If I say, “Black people are ______________ just because they’re black,” THAT is a racist and ugly thing to say or think. And it is time that you recognized the ugliness in your own heart if you think that way about white people.

    Let me give you an example of a racist most people would agree upon: James Earl Ray. Here’s the first sentence about the man:

    James Earl Ray came from a poor family in Alton, Illinois, and left school at age fifteen. He joined the US Army at the close of World War II and served in Germany. He was convicted of his first crime, a burglary in California, in 1949.

    Doesn’t exactly sound like a man who had a whole lot of “power” or “clout.” Especially compared to a man like Jeremiah Wright who could lead tens of thousands of people to think differently. His “power” was in the capacity to engage in naked VIOLENCE. And any black man could be just as murderous as James Earl Ray was, we find.

    Do you know that I was once mugged and beaten by five black men in the parking lot outside of a bar, Valierie? A woman shouted for help, and they surprised me from behind a van. Who had the “power” and “clout” there, I wonder? I suppose you would guess it must have been me. And yet somehow I was the guy who ended up on his back getting “oppressed.” Oh, well. You’ve got a “definition” and that’s all that matters. Reality be damned.

    Let me go on with James Earl Ray. Before he was apprehended for his murder of Martin Luther King – whose life’s work which he died for very clearly rejected your “definition<' for what it's worth – James Earl Ray had the power of being a violent man who hated black people.

    But what about the day after he was apprehended? How much "power" and "clout" did he have while in shackles? The man didn't even have the "power" to choose when to go to the bathroom (except in his pants). He had no power at all. Which is to say, the moment James Earl Ray was caught, he quit being a "racist" and started being a victim. He died in prison of kidney and liver failure as a result of hepatitis. Hardly a powerful man.

    More. Do you know that Thurgood Marshall – an actual black man of all things – was not only a judge, but sitting on the US Supreme Court at the time of James Earl Ray's act and arrest??? It's rather shocking; but Thurgood Marshall was a racist on June 9, 1968 (the day after Ray was caught), and James Earl Ray was NOT. At least according to your definition. Because Marshall had a great deal of power; whereas Ray no longer had any power at all. And of course there were plenty of other black people involved as judges or as police or as prison guards or even as inmates. All of them more racist than James Earl Ray who murdered Martin Luther King, but then lost all his "power" and "clout" very quickly afterward.

    That is sick, but it clearly follows from your "definition."

    Here's a sight I found googling for this response. It has a bunch of black criminals who did terrible things to white victims. The second entry is this:

    Gordon Franklin McMullen, who has spent much of his life behind bars, has been sentenced to life in prison without parole for fatally stabbing a 92-year-old Charlotte woman as she returned home from church in April 2008. The crime against the Sunday School class treasurer who talked proudly of renewing her driver’s license for five more years tore at her family, her church and the community. McMullen, 50, pleaded guilty to first-degree murder, armed robbery, first-degree kidnapping, and breaking and entering in connection with Mildred Clontz’s slaying.

    Who’s the racist here? Why, the murdered old white woman, of course. I mean, yes, he was a much younger and stronger man. He was the one who had violence, theft and murder in his heart, and she was a 92 year-old church lady. But let’s be fair: she had all the power by the sheer force of her “whiteness.”

    The third one is even better:

    A suspect in the 1993 killing of Vicki J. Lehtinen has been determined through DNA to be responsible for the strangulation death of Denise A. Comeau in 1992 and with raping two women in the 1990s, District Attorney Joseph D. Early Jr. said yesterday. James Earl Johnson, who died in Alabama in 2008, was identified as the man responsible for the December 1992 murder of Ms. Comeau. The DNA also linked him to a rape in 1993 and another in 1995. The confirmations came Monday. Both rape victims have since died. Johnson was responsible for the killing of Ms. Comeau and that also meant that Johnson was responsible for the May 1993 as well as the Sept. 1995 rape.”

    Now, normally, a rape is defined as a power thing. And the male rapist is imposing his power on the female victim. But in this case, that white woman had ALL the power while she was being raped and murdered. And presumably, since her dead body is still white, she STILL is more powerful than James Earl Johnson. After all, only the color of your skin matters.

    And it’s more than just Justice Thurgood Marshall and Jeremiah Wright and this scumbags Gordon McMullen and James Earl Johnson who are racists by this definition. I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but every single black American and YOU YOURSELF are also racist. I’ll explain.

    Consider again UNICEF, the NAACP, the Black Chamber of Commerce, the Black Congressional Caucus, etc. Consider yourself. You’re one, too, Valerie.

    You pointed out you had owned a business. I mean, my goodness, it sounds as though you were trying to advance yourself, have more ecomic power.

    Which is another of saying you are out to become more racist. I mean, aren’t you? Seriously?

    This “definition” actually makes racism kind of a good thing. “Our people” are doing better. We’re more racist now. Let’s keep working at it so we can be good, hard-core racists with lots of political and economic power.

    As sick as it is to argue that racism would actually be a good thing, you are seeking for yourselves and as a “community” all the things that you say make one racist. Which is to say that you are striving to be more racist yourselves. Which is to say that racism becomes a worthy goal worth seeking.

    Now, let me add the corrections. James Earl Ray was a racist when he killed Martin Luther King. He was a racist the day he was caught, and the day after he was caught. He was very likely a racist the day he died. Because racism is about your heart and your attitude; not about whether or not you’ve got “power” or “clout.” A racist can use his “power” be it his/her own personal capacity to violence, or to join a racist organization like the Black Panthers or the KKK, or use his economic power, etc., to hurt people of another race. But he does so because of the hateful attitudes in his individual heart, not because of “power.”

    “Power” can make one a more dangerous racist. But you can have power and not be a racist, or you can have very little “power” or “clout” like Mr. “born to a poor family” “dropped out of school” “criminally convicted” James Earl Ray and still be a very nasty racist, indeed.

    Here is an anlogy. Having a gun makes a bank robber a more dangerous bank robber. Here’s a man who was convicted of three bank robberies. But we’re told:

    Assistant U.S. Attorney Rob Reeves said the Watsons have a pending bank robbery case out of Paducah, Ky. Reeves said Michael Watson did not use a gun in any of the robberies.

    You don’t have to have a gun to be a bank robber. You don’t have to have power to be a racist. Having a gun or having power makes you a more dangerous bank robber or a more dangerous racist, but it’s not a prerequisite.

    On my definition, there James Earl Ray was on his deathbed, dying of kidney and liver failure. Weak and helpless. And a racist because he had these evil attitudes in his soul. On yours, the man who murdered Martin Luther King quit being a racist the day he was captured because he lost his power.

    And, again, Valerie. I also challenged you as a Christian. And what did you do? You said, “My black community has it’s own definition of this form of evil, and I’m going with that.”

    Where does sin begin, Valerie? Apparently, in the melatonin. Who cares about the soul anyway?

    You must be right:

    The melatonin is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9).

    Except that isn’t quite right. I mean, after all, YOU’VE got a lot more melatonin than I do. Which means that you are wicked by defnition. [There's another definition for you to try on for size if you'd like].

    I’ve got some bad news for you, Valerie. Your black community doesn’t get to “define” what’s right and what’s wrong. Unless you want to tell me (and you might given my argument above that you YOURSELF are trying to become more racist in that you seek more power just like the rest of us) that racism isn’t a sin, you’re just as capable of it as I am.

    You could be a paraplegic in a completely bedridden state, and you can be a racist. You don’t have the power to act on your racism, but that racist hate still shines through your eyes.

    Sin is a condition of the heart; it has NOTHING to do with your melatonin level or your race or your power. And when you get power or wealth, what is in your heart will define how you use your power or clout.

    Jesus didn’t just die on the cross for black people so only they could be absolved of their sin.

    Now, as for the “Republican” thing, if sinking to the lowest possible common denominator is the answer, you’ve got the Democrat Party for that. You don’t need us Republicans to participate in a pathologically racist definition where black people demonize white people even as they seek to become the very thing that they’re demonizing. If you want that kind of abject hypocrisy, Valerie, you’ve got a party who wants you. The same party that put you in chains of slavery and then the terror of the KKK is the same side that is blathering all the crap you’re blathering right now.

    Me? I’d rather fight and die on the right side than win on the wrong side. And the side that you are advocating is wrong to the core.

    I wouldn’t cater to the Nazi vote to win Nazis; I wouldn’t cater to the terrorist vote to win Muslims; I wouldn’t cater to the rapist pedophile vote to win rapist pedophiles; and I wouldn’t cater to the racist black vote to win racist blacks. If they hate truth, that’s doom on them.

    You’re saying it is a fact that black people think the way you’re saying. And that’s true, I don’t doubt. But they are thinking wickedly. Just as they are acting wickedly when 72% of all black babies are born to unwed mothers. Just like they are acting wickedly when three out of every five black babies are murdered by abortion.

    They are thinking not only wrongly, but incredibly wrongly. And to try to argue that we should conform to something rabidly wrong is an example of moral relativism that I find shocking, not enlightening.

    Couple more things. I don’t know how to NOT say this, but it is impossible to look at the misery and abject dysfunction of the black community and not want to weep. Having “your race” in power not only hasn’t helped, but it has hurt them big time. Maybe you’re due for another century of going nowhere. Just keep those same attitudes flowing and you’ll go backwards a lot more than you’ll ever go forwards. Don’t ask me (of course I’m just a racist by definition), but I would submit you need to change your attitudes, not try to dictate them onto the rest of society so we can ALL be “victims of racism.”

    Which in turn prompts me to point out that there’s another ominous thing happening now:

    White is the new black
    Both white and black people agree that anti-black racism has decreased over the last 60 years, but whites believe that anti-white racism is now a bigger problem than anti-black racism, according to a new study.

    Researchers at Tufts University’s School of Arts and Sciences and Harvard Business School say white people believe that they have replaced black people as the primary victims of racial discrimination in America.

    Authors of the study say it shows that America has not achieved the “post-racial” society that some predicted in the wake of President Barack Obama’s election.

    “It’s a pretty surprising finding when you think of the wide range of disparities that still exist in society, most of which show black Americans with worse outcomes than whites in areas such as income, home ownership, health and employment,” said Tufts Associate Professor of Psychology Samuel Sommers, Ph.D., co-author of “Whites See Racism as a Zero-sum Game that They Are Now Losing,” which appears in the May 2011 issue of the journal Perspectives on Psychological Science.

    QUESTION: Do you think that whites have replaced blacks as the primary victims of racial discrimination? Share your opinion in the comment section below.

    And, as I said on a hypothetical level way above, the answer is now increasingly, “YES!!! White people are being oppressed!!! We can’t be the racists!!! It’s those terrible nasty black people who are the racists!!!”

    I asked earlier what if white people had their own “definition” that absolved them of racism, and made YOU responsible for it. I asked if you would agree with us and respect our definition. Do you? Will you now agree that it truly is BLACKS who are the racists???

    I also asked white people thinking and acting like black people and thinking entirely in racial terms would help.

    It looks like you’re about to find out.

    Your “definition” is going to lead to hell.

    As Jesus put it, “Race will rise against race.” That’s what “ethnos,” often translated as “nation,” literally means. Racial group will rise against racial group.

    Don’t think that you or your “community’ can have a 1000% hypocritical and entirely self-serving “definition” that allows you to get away with anything – even literally MURDER (as I show above) – and not reap the whirlwhind.

    You’re part of the start of the next race war. The same race war that Samir Shabazz is openly trying to start. And it will probably be a doozy.

    We couldn’t disagree more. I’m saying you’re wrong on every ground imaginable on this issue – most certainly including the Bible (I welcome you to show me where sin is a matter of race rather than heart in the Bible, if you’d care to demonstrate that). I submit that you are not only allowing the world to dictate your thinking, but a depraved “definition” from the depraved ideologies of the left. If you want to show me that culpability for sin is a matter of racial membership rather than individual heart, let’s have it out. I think you’re going to lose that one, big.

    I would also offer that you have been a supporter of Israel here. Which is bizarre, given that Israel is defined by the same people who are putting out your “definition” about racism being all about power as a “Jewish state” and as “Zionists” and as “apartheid.” And Jeremiah Wright is being quite consistent when he takes his “definition” and damns the Jews and Israel, whereas you are being incredibly inconsistent. You need to figure out where you stand. And then STAND.

    Now, I’ve said about all I intend to say about this subject, Valerie. I’ve got a lot of other things to write. I have to limit how much time I spend on comments to do that.

    I get the last word on my blog. It’s part of the joy of having a blog.

    You can keep arguing this, and I will be compelled to block you. Because I don’t spend all my time on endless arguments.

    I would say you’ve come pretty close to making as good of a case as you’re likely going to make.

    I mentioned the very elderly black friend that I’m going to be driving into Riverside. The man is not only a Democrat, but he believes along with most of his “community” that abortion is a good thing. I find that detestable, but I didn’t terminate our relationship. He needs help, and I give him help – primarily because he’s VERY old and has very few people to help him, and partly because he is a loving man in most respects and a member of my church. We had our argument, and we put it in the past.

    We either need to move to a point of common ground, or you need to start your own blog and make it the “NoBlackRacists.com” blog.

  135. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    You know Mike,

    YOU are the only one in this conversation stuck on race. If you remove the white/black/race out of the definition and replace it with political power you just might get it.

    But then, I don’t think that you want to.

    There are a lot of things that make us different, and you’ve shown me today that you do not want to understand that difference.
    I’ve tried to tell you why the Democrats have the edge on the Black vote

    So I’ll just not even try anymore. I said racism = political power in the Black Community.

    You just don’t get it, and I don’t think that you ever want to get it.

    I think I’ll bow out like Glen.

    Valerie

  136. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    NOT TRUE.

    I’ll replay your opening salvo:

    The ‘true’ definition of racism or racist is a definition that most white people don’t know. Let me explain.

    For African American’s the term ‘racist’ is associated with POWER. Meaning, the power to OPPRESS those who have no economic or political clout.

    This will probably shock you, but by that definition No African American can be racist. In the American Society TODAY, African Americans as a race of people DO NOT have political or economic power.

    White’s control the markets, businesses and politics. Banks consistently practice discrimination by denying small business loans to Black businesses, and deny ‘decent’ mortgages to us. In most cases an African American may have the SAME credentials [e.g. degree, experience] yet still will be hired at a lessor salary. Why? Because whites control the majority of the businesses.

    So by that very definition an African American CANNOT be a racist.

    So when an African American is called a racist it makes no sense to African AmericanS, even Jeremiah Wright!

    Jeremiah Wright does indeed ‘hate’ white people, but by definition he NOT a racist. He has no political or economic power to oppress anyone. He is in control of no one. He can hire no one, give a loan to no one, or even create government policies for no one. All he can do is spread the hate, rather spread the love. [and if he doesn't stop there's a special place reserved for him.]

    Two things. Number one, I know exactly where this “definition” came from. And it is used EXCLUSIVELY AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE while SIMULTANEOUSLY EXCLUDING BLACKS.

    Number two, that is precisely what you do above.

    Please don’t start out saying that “by that definition No African American can be racist” and then saying “YOU are the only one in this conversation stuck on race.” That isn’t honest at all. Quite the opposite.

    Your new line of “reasoning” flies in the face with your previous line of reasoning, in which YOU CLEARLY EXCLUDED BLACKS FROM RACISM BY DEFINITION.

    Further, even the “totally powerless” like James Earl Ray have the “power” of individual violence. It is SICK to argue that “poor” “uneducated” people like this evil murderer aren’t racist. There are also all KINDS of similar people. I remember an 88 year-old AntiSemite shot and murdered a security guard at a Holocaust museum. How much “political” and “economic” “power” and “clout” did that decrepit old “frustrated artist” slimeball have? How on earth can you possibly argue that this old waste had more of ANY of those features than Eric Holder or Jeremiah Wright or tens of thousands of other black people??? Wright hobnobbed with the highest economic and political classes on a daily basis. And there are also PLENTY of blacks like Jeremiah Wright who have a great deal of power, indeed. Which they use to racially demagogue and demonize (i.e., “white folks’ greed runs a world in need”).

    Jeremiah Wright has FAR more power than that 88 year-old racist ever had. Jeremiah Wright had an audience of tens of thousands. He had all kinds of political clout as a “reverend” in an influential megachurch. He mentored a president, along with Oprah Winfrey at one point. He was also quite rich. I demanded you explain how people like James Earl Ray had more “power” than Jeremiah Wright, and you resorted to whining about how I didn’t understand rather than offering any kind of rational response (not that there is one – particularly if you bait and switch with a completely different argument that “I’m the only one stuck on race”). That’s right, Mrs. “by that very definition an African American CANNOT be a racist.”

    Given our rather massive difference in basic human morality, I agree that it is probably for the best if you find another venue. There is no possible chance at racial harmony as long as people continue to think the way you do.

    I’ll continue to pray for your sister Lisa Ann, and will add one for your own heart.

  137. HL Says:

    Dear Michael, when I read Valerie’s first comment on the Black communities ‘definition’ of racist/racism Friday evening I was literally stunned. I thought, ‘How do we overcome/change that?’ How do you reach someone who makes up their own defintion of words that is different from the factual, historically accepted definition? We thought, ‘it’s worse than we thought.’ This is truly sad to us.
    I’ve heard on TV from Al Sharpton the argument that Black people cannot be racist, but it didn’t make any sense to me. After reading the exchange of comments between you and Valerie of the last 3 days, I understand.

    You wrote:
    “Number one, I know exactly where this “definition” came from. And it is used EXCLUSIVELY AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE while SIMULTANEOUSLY EXCLUDING BLACKS.”
    For education and understanding sake, could you inform us where this definition first came from?

    You did a good job defending the truth.

    This is truly sad and dangerous if the majority of Black people in this country believe that they cannot be racist because they don’t have power to oppress others. Stunning, utterly stunning.

  138. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    HL,

    Again you and Mike missed the point.

    The ‘majority’ of Black people believe that unless an individual, be they Black, White, Blue, or Green are in a position of authority they CANNOT OPPRESS a select group of people.

    The ‘majority’ of Black people have enough intelligence to recognize what a crime is and is not. The ‘majority of Black people recognize what assault is, if a crime is committed against another. We also know what a bigot is.

    Like I said earlier, if we did not recognize the difference there would have been a lot more racial atrocities committed against White people.

    Like I said earlier, it is our faith in God, and the love of God that will not allow us to commit those kinds of acts against others. Ask yourself how many people do you know had Black maids in their homes nursing their babies and children? What kept them from hurting those children? And, why do most have fond memories of their Black caregivers?

    We have always known the difference. And even if the master of the house was a bigot, we did not hurt the child. That’s just not who we are, and that’s not Whose we are. And if you haven’t figured that out from history, then I don’t know what will.

    And, yes there will always be exceptions to that rule. There will always be the Jeremiah Wrights, and the Shamir Shabazzes.

    Yet I am 55 years old and I had NEVER even heard of Jeremiah Wright until Obama’s campaign. I had never heard of Mr. Shabazz until this blog. I tell you it seems you guys no more about these types of people than we do!

    The ‘majority’ of African American’s have never heard of these two misguided fellows. I ask you, who keeps up with that? We’re to busy trying to work every day, pay our mortgages and car notes, and raise our children to research that kind of hate!

    Like I said before, 99% of African American’s don’t even give these types of individuals the time of day. We don’t listen to their hate filled rhetoric,
    or their rants and rages.

    But the curious thing to me is why do you? Why would you ‘feed’ on that type of hate rhetoric even to the extent of writing and posting it on your blog for others to feed on?

    I don’t expose my spirit to that kind of stuff. As a matter of fact, when I saw that horrible stuff in Mike’s response, I wondered if he was able to ‘sort out’ the difference between me and them?

    Does Mike clump us all in there together because of our ‘different’ perception of how racism is defined? Do you both think that we are all racist [Your definition of racism] because we don’t take Mr. Wright as seriously as you do? Basically the Black Community ignores and disassociates itself from these type of individuals.

    For a while it sounded like he thought I was just like them from his response? Was it because I disagreed with you?

    I along with the majority of African American’s don’t even know these fellows, why do you? The majority of African American’s think that Al Sharpton is an idiot, and wish to heck FOX NEWS would stop inviting him to speak! The majority of African American’s can’t stand Jesse Jackson, and wish he would shut up! The man’s still stuck in the past!

    The fact is, the majority of African American’s vote Democratic because they are misguided enough to believe that ‘they’ [the democrats] will create laws or polices that will at the very least stop the ‘double standard’ that has existed for centuries.

    Yet, the Republicans are so busy debating over what a racist is and trying to defend themselves from the slurs of the Democrats that they can’t see the forest for the trees.

    Let me be clear, the majority of African American’s go to work every day, don’t want a hand out, don’t want any entitlements. All we want is NOT to be ‘hindered’ when we want to open a small business, or buy a home, or car, or send our kids to college, JUST LIKE YOU.

    Mike you said that you have an elderly man in your church that votes Democrat. Why don’t you ask him why he votes that way? The man ‘thinks’ that he helping his people [politically] for God sake! He believes that his one vote will help ‘his people’ have a better shot at success. Ask him for yourself.

    HL, you couldn’t understand why African Americans are conservative, yet they always vote Democrat?

    I tried to answer that question for you, but both you and Mike got totally off the subject and began to criticize ‘our’ definition of racism.

    We have different definitions for a lot of words, racism is not the only one. The N word for instance. It’s negative for you, but not for us. I’m sure you know that. And you will NEVER understand that. Big deal, move on.

    My question is, why don’t you stop feeding on the words of lost, degenerate, hateful African Americans, rather than those of us who are desperately trying to build a bridge between African American’s that have been deceived by the Democrats? Why can’t you join with us to try and get them to take a ‘new’ look at the Republicans?

    Quite frankly, after these last [3] days, I might be taking another look at the Democratic party myself! Seriously, if they were not so pro-abortion, pro-Gay, and anti-Jew I would!

    In closing,
    Mike, you want to teach, but can you learn? So we disagree regarding what the definition of what racism is. It that so earth shaking?

    The majority of African American’s don’t hate White People and understand the ‘system’ that we live in. All we want is an ‘opportunity’ to achieve the same things that many of you have achieved.

    I owned an in-daycare business for over 25 years, and bought a second house to expand that business. Yet it is doubtful that I would have been able to go into a bank and borrow enough money to build a daycare center. That is what I’m talking about. That’s why your elderly brother in the Lord votes Democrat. For me Mike, for my sons, but I guess you can’t understand that. He has been duped into believing that the Democrats will give my sons that chance!

    And yes, it was because of my daycare business that I was able to buy [5] houses. I worked hard, and I prayed hard. I knew that with God, ALL things are possible, but many African American Christians do not have that ‘revelation’. Many more are not walking in that level of faith, so they turn to politics to try to get them there.

    So all I ask is that you both, STOP looking at how you ‘think’ a thing or definition should be. And accept the fact that we believe ‘differently’ what racism is. That the term racism’s key elements are POLITICAL POWER and ECONOMIC POWER.

    And let me reiterate one last time, that there ARE evil Black people. There are Black people that commit crimes, there are those who propagate hate speeches, and are bigots, biased, prejudiced, and by ‘your’ definition racist and will probably bust hell wide open when they die.

    But to us, they have no POLITICAL power. They have no ECONOMIC POWER. They have NO military power. So to us they DO NOT have our best interest at heart! They are snubbed by the Black Community!

    So if you guys want to continue to keep your focus on the obvious fact that we disagree with what a racist/racism is, then this is my exit.

    I think the important thing is to figure out how Republican’s reach the Black vote. That is ALL that I’ve tried to do. Give you some insight into how we can come up with an answer. But if you chose to say it’s my way or the highway then I’ll respect your choice.

    And, we can forget the whole thing, and you can continue to believe that because we don’t believe that Jeremiah Wright fits the definition of a racist, you’ll have no part with us and me.

    Valerie

  139. Michael Eden Says:

    “Number one, I know exactly where this “definition” came from. And it is used EXCLUSIVELY AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE while SIMULTANEOUSLY EXCLUDING BLACKS.”
    For education and understanding sake, could you inform us where this definition first came from?

    HL,

    This argument that blacks cannot possibly be ”racist” because racism involves systemic oppression because blacks neither wield power nor control the system first began to circulate in the late 1970s as a result from a literary critical theory called “deconstructionism.” Deconstructionism began to be used as a political weapon starting with feminism (if my memory serves). Feminist academics began writing papers claiming that our entire history was in reality nothing more than a male plot to oppress women. They made ridiculous claims based on their deconstructionist theories, such that all sex is actually rape because women, lacking economic power, can never consent. You begin to see how that became the germ that resulted in an identical argument being made for why blacks “can’t be racist.” They also demanded the erection of gender studies departments in colleges, the appointment of women to positions for which they weren’t qualified, and the removal of gender references from the language. Blacks did the same things on the same grounds based on race rather than gender.

    What is deconstruction and how does it work?

    Deconstruction relies on the postmodernist premise that there is no truth and reality is socially constructed (i.e., I can’t know “truth” if it even exists; I can only know what my society crams into my meat-puppet brain). Meaning is not merely constructed, but it is constructed on a particular view of language. So by playing games with language you can shape/dictate reality. Because language shapes and conditions what and how we think, and after all we’re only meat puppets with no Imago Dei to break through (nor is there a “God” who could break through to us). And since they hold that language is a cultural creation (ignoring Genesis 11 and the fact that Adam was created WITH language), meaning is ultimately a social construction. And postmodernists and deconstructionists want to have the power to dictate that meaning.

    Postmodernists play all kinds of games with language (it’s all they have, remember). They claim the meaning of words is a self-contained system, and point to the fact that when you look up a word in a dictionary, there are just more words. They ignore the referential aspect of language, that, for instance, when I say “snow,” I mean that cold white stuff over there which is very real, indeed. They want to argue that we live in our own meat puppet heads and can’t truly interact with the outside world.

    Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, becomes a literary text. Even NON-verbal communication (because everything can be explained in terms of language). They use the term “intertextuality,” by which they mean that cultural and intellectual life are nothing more than texts interacting with other texts, producing still more texts. And they can pour their own meaning into these “texts.”

    There is no ability for humans to think for themselves on this view. We are totally societally conditioned. Our language thinks for us. There is no transcendental LOGOS, there is no objective meaning, there is no realm of absolute truth that exists outside the bounds of language. Postmodernists talk about the “prison house of language.”

    So, how do these people take advantage of this and exploit it? They argue that linguistic meaning rests on oppositions and exclusions. “Man” is the opposite of “woman.” And “freedom” is the opposite of “slavery.” But “freedom” also thus depends upon slavery to exist.

    With ideas like that, they then begin to describe language and the cultures they create as inherently oppressive. [Which is why deconstructionists always destroy history and point out only the nastiest parts of what they want to attack. Go to a government school history class and see how many positive things children learn versus terrible things about America, for example]. Deconstructionists draw on Nietzsche, who claimed that all human culture is an innate will to power, and Freud, who claimed that all culture can be explained in terms of sexual repression.

    And so deconstructionists have a “hermenuetic of suspicion.” No text objectively means anything (since there IS no truth). And since language is a cultural creation it cannot possibly reveal meaning. Rather, these artificial linguistic constructions (i.e. “language”) are designed to convey the illusion of truth. But they are actually a cover for power relationships that constitute “culture.” Deconstructionists therefore do “subversive readings” to find out what a text is HIDING. They take apart the meaning-making context. They deconstruct it.

    Take the Declaration of Independence. It could be deconstructed thus: Start with the fact that it speaks of equality, but excludes women (“all men are created equal”). Although it speaks of liberty, its author (Thomas Jefferson) owned slaves. Therefore the surface meanings of equality and freedom are contradicted and obliterated by the “subtexts,” which DENY freedom and equality.

    The biggest problem with this theory – after its hard-core denial of God and it’s assumption that human beings are meat puppets, of course – is that YOU CAN TURN THESE SAME TACTICS ON THE DECONSTRUCTIONISTS!!! Among other issues, there is the fact that, since their theory is based on the “fact” that there are no absolute values to strive for, ANY alternative values that they propose could be SIMILARLY DECONSTRUCTED.

    Black people would have the same “will to power” that white people have. And to the extent that whites are “racist” by their definition, BLACKS WANT TO BECOME RACISTS.

    I hope you see why I became so unglued with seeing this “blacks can’t be racist by definition” posted on my blog, HL. It comes from an awful, demonic worldview – and serves to advance that awful, demonic worldview.

    There is more to say about this “blacks can’t be racist definition” from the Bible. The Bible differentiated between the Jews and the Gentiles, of course. But that was because the Jews were the direct recipients of the personal presence and revelation of on objective and transcendent God, whreas the Gentiles were not. God revealed Himself to the Jews and through the Jews. Further, the “Gentiles” were all lumped together; it wasn’t like blacks were okay Gentiles and whites were bad ones, or that one Gentile culture was good while another was bad. ALL Gentile cultures were rotten because NONE of them had the direct personal presence and revelation of God.

    Further, the New Testament says that now, as a result of Christ, that “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). The Gospel seeks to overcome and transcend racial differences and class differences. But these people don’t believe in God, in Christ, in the work of Christ, or anything else about Christ and they want the very disctinctions Paul said were meaningless to become all important. These people are FIXATED upon race and class; nothing else matters to them.

    Valerie WANTS to think like a biblical Christian, but she is still enslaved by ideas that are at fundamental odds with the Bible and with Jesus Christ WHO IS THE WORD AND WHO IS TRUTH. She has bought into a system of thinking that begins with a denial of the very thing she wants to believe.

    I could have tried to take on a more gentle tact with Valerie, but the way she stated it convinced me that she truly, deeply believed it. And I simply was not going to allow that vile toxic poison to go on my blog without fighting it fiercely.

    You are as you think. And if blacks as a culture want to view themselves as culturally-conditioned meat puppets, then in practical terms, that is precisely what they become. On this wretched theory black people can be utterly racist to their core and hold themselves completely unaccountable. Like I tried to tell Valerie, sin is a condition of the HEART, not the “power” or the “clout.”

    Pardon me for refusing to jump into any demonic stew that holds otherwise.

  140. HL Says:

    Dear Valerie, your comment addressed to me covered a lot of issues. I will only address a few of them. I understand that to you and as you state a majority in the Black community believe you cannot be guilty of racism or be a racist because as a race you have not had political or economic power to oppress others. I didn’t miss your point or meaning.
    I reject it as true or right.
    I also first heard of Jeremiah Wright in Spring of 2008 when Obama was running for president. I was alarmed because of the hatred I heard in his Black Liberation Theology. I think it is racist to the core. I do not feed upon this type of hatred. It came into my life because a man who sat in Wright’s church for 22 years was mesmerizing a nation, and I knew his ideas and agenda for America was and is evil. I too wish Fox News would lose Sharpton.
    I don’t know how to reach the Black community with Conservatism and to persuade them that it is the closest ideology that aligns with
    Biblical truth.
    Since the 1950’s and 60’s America has legislated many laws to give the Black community and other minorities advantages in education, business and all sectors of society. Discrimination is and can be done against any race.
    Racism, prejudice, bigotry, hatred, discrimination are sins from the heart. They are color blind.
    My prayer is that every American would be inspired to pursue their life, liberty and happiness and be as prosperous as their ambition, work ethic, gits and talents takes them.

  141. HL Says:

    Dear Michael, thank you for answering my question as to where this definition of racism originated. It is substantive. I have read it two times already and will need to read it a few more times to fully comprehend and digest it.
    No need to apologize to me for fighting error forcefully at times.

  142. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    To make the ASSUMPTION that I ‘believe’ in ‘deconstrutionism’ is as ridiculous as ‘assuming’ that a person is a born again Christian because they believe “thy shalt not steal”.

    Again, who ‘researches’ this kind of stuff? The average person, Black or White has NEVER heard of this stuff.

    That said, because I agree with the [one] aspect of this theory… that is that without some type of Power, an individual or a business entity CANNOT single out a specific group and OPPRESS them does not make me evil too.

    And because that is my opinion, does not mean that I buy into the ‘totality’ of this particular ideology or theory.

    To assume so, and to convince someone else otherwise is sin.

    As for the demonic aspect of this theory or ideology, ANYTHING, that takes away from the Truth of God’s Word is demonic. That said, let me reiterate, I’ve never heard of reconstructionism!

    As for Jeremiah Wright, the ONLY thing that makes him dangerous is because Satan hand picked him to ‘seed’ Barak Obama for such a time as this. Now that Obama has ‘fed on’ his hate rhetoric, Obama is now in a POWER POSITION to ‘single out’ a particular group or groups and OPPRESS THEM. Gee that makes him a Racist, by both definitions!

    Like I said most of us NEVER heard of this man before Obama’s election!

    You guys are blowing this WAY OUT OF PROPORTION! Just because African American’s do not take Mr. Wright seriously or others like him, get all emotional and want to kick their asses, does NOT mean that ‘we’ agree with what they are saying or doing. Please stop the assumptions.

    And if you believe that, then YOU are the one who is making an assumption. I ask you, historically where did that kind of thinking get us? answer: A cross burned in our front yards!

    So just because I may agree with [one] aspect of some ‘obscure’ ideology, does NOT mean that I buy into it or even believe it in its totality.

    And for the record, just because the African American community is not up in arms about these types of raging lunatics, does not mean that if they leave the confines of our community that we will not stand with you if they attempt to burn a cross your yard!

    HL, Mike, if I lived next door to you I would not stand by and do nothing I assure you, we would not let them burn you out.

    And finally, you are well aware of the ‘emotional’ reaction that You would get if you walked up to an African American and called him the N word.

    Just don’t be so upset because we don’t have the same ‘emotional’ response to those like Wright. We just simply ignore them, because the chance of them putting on a black sheet and coming to a community near you is slim to none.

    Also, the chance the they have enough power to even turn you down for a bank or car loan is slim to none as well. They cannot OPPRESS you economically or politically. They can only oppress you emotionally.
    So take a chill pill.

    Valerie
    P.S. I do love you guys, but you are blowing this stuff way way out of proportion! Please stop majoring on the minor and let’s come up with some solutions to get my people to take a ‘fresh, new’ look at the Republican Party!

  143. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    HL,

    I appreciate you words of encouragement but if you would read my comments on June 5 @7:27 a.m, and my other responses I have NEVER made that statement. That statement comes from Mike’s interpretation of this obscure ideology that I’ve never heard of.

    I said that ANYONE, be they Black, White, Blue or Green can be a racist if they have the political power or economic power to ‘single out’ and OPPRESS a particular group of people. You’ll notice I mentioned Clarence Thomas and Colin Powell having the potential to commit racist acts against people because of their positions.

    You have misquoted what I said, AND what ‘I’ believe. As for this so-called ideology that I’ve never heard of, it is apparently ‘different’ from what the majority of us even believe.

    So please understand that I do NOT believe that racism is exclusive to the White Race only. By ‘our’ definition, it crosses all color lines, it is this aspect of Economic and Political power that is the determining factor.

    As for the laws passed to stop discrimination, we still have a long way to go. And, I know that it may be difficult to put yourself in my shoes and that’s OK.

    I don’t know how old you are, but I’ll be 55 next month. And, even though I truly try to forget those ‘colored only’ signs, I am reminded from time to time when I’m mistreated. I live in Texas, and there are still pockets of discrimination here. [I could tell you some stories, but I chose try and forget]

    But, thank God, those incidents have lessened over the years.

    Valerie

  144. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    Are you truly so foolish that you don’t care where your ideas come from? Or that ideas have consequences?

    You remind me painfully of the Nazi Germans. They didn’t know anything. They weren’t responsible. Don’t blame us. Blah blah blah.

    German intellectuals were putting all the racist pieces of the Holocaust together for fifty years before the bloodshed came.

    EVERY SINGLE IDEA that was most responsible for the Holocaust came from intellectuals in ivory towers. It was only a matter of the masses of people beliving their lies in some diluted/partial form. And when they bought enough of those lies, the trap was sprung.

    And you’re right. Most Germans didn’t know exactly what was going on in the universities, et al. But those ideas were imbibed into the culture. Those ideas that came out of the ivory towers of universities poisoned German culture as a whole. And then that poison had filled Germany it was spit out at the whole world.

    And the SAME sort of ideas are being imbibed into YOU and YOUR culture RIGHT NOW.

    You say, “I’ve never heard of reconstructionism!” [It's "deconstructionism," btw]. You say, “So just because I may agree with [one] aspect of some ‘obscure’ ideology, does NOT mean that I buy into it or even believe it in its totality.” What you DON’T understand is that worldviews have a remarkable tendency to be internally self-consistent. And what YOU are doing is treating worldviews like a salad bar, where you can simply pick and choose what you like and leave the rest with no consequences.

    But like I said, “IDEAS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.” And your “idea” simply doesn’t stand up without the framework that I described that holds it all together. Had it not been for the ideological structure I described, the ideas you are esposing never would have seen the light of day.

    Just like those Nazi Germans, you’ve got something that is far more important to you than truth, or the Bible, or anything else. You’ve got your “black theories” and your “black definitions.”

    I’ve never had a cross burned in my front yard, Valerie. For the record, very few black people still living have (although yes, I understand, it was still a pretty big thing in the 1960s). As an example, Wikipedia lists three cases since 2007. I’m sure there are more cases than that, but let’s not live in the worst of history. VIEWING REALITY THROUGH THE VERY WORST OF THE PAST WAS PART OF THE VERY DECONSTRUCTION PROCESS I DESCRIBED.

    I gave you a counter-example, Valerie. I was physically beaten by a gang of five black men. Have YOU ever been physically beaten by whites? I have my own personal experience. And, in complete harmony with what I’ve been saying to you all along, it is up TO ME to choose how to react to that. I get to choose MY attitude and MY response. And I chose not to allow it to poison me.

    Your mention of the “N word” is a case in point of classic hypocrisy: IF IT’S A BAD WORD, QUIT USING IT. And yet 99.99999999999999 percent of the time, when I hear the “N word” used, I hear it spoken by a black person. When you take the attitude that “It aint wrong when we do it,” you are NOT standing as a Christian. Because God is NOT going to say on judgment day, “Oh, you’re WHITE! I’m throwing the book at your ass.”

    God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He created us THE SAME in His image. He holds us ALL to THE SAME moral standard.

    You do NOT get this crap from the Bible. You are imposing this on your Bible, setting it above your Bible and interpreting your Bible through it. Just as Jeremiah Wright interprets HIS Bible through the prism of “liberation theology” – a candy coating over atheistic Marxism. And what you are believing is another another dish off the same poisonous plate.

    And lastly, Martin Luther King’s problem wasn’t that he was “oppressed” “economically or politically.” Martin Luther King’s problem was that he was murdered by a poor outcast criminal piece of trash. Can I call him a racist? Apparently not, at least not according to your diseased definition.

    Now, the people who faithfully hold the definition hold every white person responsible. Because even if they’re dirt poor, even if the whites in power have never so much as looked at them or helped them in any way, shape or form, even though they are as poor and destitute as the poorest black person, they are STILL 100% responsible for what people about a million levels above them do or have done merely because they share the same racial characteristics. And even though today there are about a thousand times more programs to help black people than there are to help that poor utterly destitute white guy. Rather, that poor bastard still has all the moral responsibility for the full weight of slavery on him 160 years after his ancestors fought for the Union to free the slaves!

    That isn’t in the Bible. That is in the pit of hell.

    P.S. I thought you were leaving.

  145. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie, (in response to your 11:47 am comment),

    You are not being honest.

    You are now saying,

    I said that ANYONE, be they Black, White, Blue or Green can be a racist if they have the political power or economic power to ‘single out’ and OPPRESS a particular group of people

    But that is NOT what you said. I repeat your opening comment:

    The ‘true’ definition of racism or racist is a definition that most white people don’t know. Let me explain.

    For African American’s the term ‘racist’ is associated with POWER. Meaning, the power to OPPRESS those who have no economic or political clout.

    This will probably shock you, but by that definition No African American can be racist. In the American Society TODAY, African Americans as a race of people DO NOT have political or economic power.

    White’s control the markets, businesses and politics. Banks consistently practice discrimination by denying small business loans to Black businesses, and deny ‘decent’ mortgages to us. In most cases an African American may have the SAME credentials [e.g. degree, experience] yet still will be hired at a lessor salary. Why? Because whites control the majority of the businesses.

    So by that very definition an African American CANNOT be a racist.

    So when an African American is called a racist it makes no sense to African AmericanS, even Jeremiah Wright!

    Jeremiah Wright does indeed ‘hate’ white people, but by definition he NOT a racist. He has no political or economic power to oppress anyone. He is in control of no one. He can hire no one, give a loan to no one, or even create government policies for no one. All he can do is spread the hate, rather spread the love. [and if he doesn't stop there's a special place reserved for him.]

    Please don’t say you didn’t say what you in fact DID say.

    The words:

    ANYONE, be they Black, White, Blue or Green can be a racist

    are directly in contradiction with what you are on the record as having said:

    by that definition No African American can be racist

    and:

    So by that very definition an African American CANNOT be a racist

    and:

    So when an African American is called a racist it makes no sense

    and:

    Jeremiah Wright does indeed ‘hate’ white people, but by definition he NOT a racist

    I am at the point where I will have no other choice but to block you, Valerie. You are misrepresenting yourself and you are misrepresenting me. I have brought this to your attention before, and all you did was ignore it and continue to blame me for twisting your words when it was YOUR words that were twisted. As I document (again) above.

    I can’t reach you. To the extent that my arguments have any influence on you, I have already given them.

    I can only hope that you hold this question seriously and take it to your Bible and to the Lord.

    Show me in Scripture where one race of people – particularly Gentiles – is/are judged differently from another. Show me where black people or ANY people are immune from culpability from a particular sin. And especially a heinous one such as racism. Shiow me where the attitudes of the heart do not matter, but only the attitudes of those associated with “political” and “economic” “power” or “clout.”

    I have mentioned the Bible repeatedly now, Valerie. But you don’t seem to think it’s relevant. Right now, you are serving another god. You are a racially bitter person (and quite possibly with reason) who is holding on to your attitudes rather than pursuing the truths of the Bible.

    Like I said, Valerie. I’ve been mistreated, too. I was beaten worse than I’ve ever been beaten in my life. Now I can keep living in that past, and keep telling myself, “Black people did this to me,” or I can say, “A few black people did this to me, but I have met so many great black men and women that I know they’re NOT all like that.” And the WORST POSSIBLE thing I could do is imbibe the racist ideas that believe me are out there that absolve white people of moral guilt associated with racism and make black people to blame for everything going wrong.

    That’s what you’re doing now, and you are in a dark place.

    And I won’t have that place brought here. I wish you well, but there is only so much time I am willing to spend arguing with someone who simply won’t let an argument go.

    P.S. Your arguments are here. So are mine. I will allow others to make their determination as to which view is true, and which view has the Word of God behind it.

  146. HL Says:

    Valerie, your first comment on the subject:

    “The ‘true’ definition of racism or racist is a definition that most white people don’t know. Let me explain.

    For African American’s the term ‘racist’ is associated with POWER. Meaning, the power to OPPRESS those who have no economic or political clout.

    This will probably shock you, but by that definition No African American can be racist. In the American Society TODAY, African Americans as a race of people DO NOT have political or economic power.”

    I realize you expanded it as the debate went on but this was your first definition.
    Shame on anyone who has mis-treated you for the color of your skin.

  147. Michael Eden Says:

    HL,

    I blocked Valerie.

    I am saddened by it, but when she said for the second time that “I have NEVER made that statement” when I had already demonstrated she had, it was time to separate.

    I know she altered her argument. But she did so without ever refuting the first argument which I have now posted twice.

    If she had come out and retracted this “by definition an African American CANNOT be a racist” and said that was untrue, it was wrong, etc; And THEN argued that racism was about power, not skin color, I STILL would have argued with her (using the arguments I have already provided), but it would not have risen to the degree that is has.

    I would have argued that ANYONE is capable of racism whether they have power or not or even whether they overtly act on that racism or not. Racism is an attitude. And in many ways and in many virulent forms, that attitude can be displayed. And the more power or clout one has, the more dangerous their racism can be. And again, the Bible doesn’t talk about race, or political or economic power, as the basis of sin. Sin starts in the heart. Jesus went so far as to say that a man who even THINKS a lustful though has already committed adultery. And He said that the one who hates is already guilty of murder. And again, someone who is completely poor and marginalized can in fact lash out with individual violence. Which is to say that this “definition” falls apart on virtually every level.

    It was the racial aspect which she kind of denied without every actually denying, combined with her repeated accusation that I was misrepresenting her when I was NOT, that forced my hand.

    Valerie has a great many views that I affirm and admire. I know that she is a nice and decent woman. I know that she wants to do right. And I know that it is a terribly difficult thing to swim against the stream of one’s own culture.

    But the most dangerous “Christians” are those who – even if their faith is legitimate and even if they have the best of intentions – proceed to import dangerous and false ideas that undermine genuine Christianity.

  148. HL Says:

    I understand Michael. I sure learned a lot in this thread.

    Onward Christian Soldier!……….

  149. Michael Eden Says:

    It’s not always easy being a soldier of ANY kind on ANY battlefield.

    But we march on, even when the battle is fierce.

  150. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    And this is why you can’t get Black votes.

    Because YOU have a little box that we all MUST fit into and if we don’t you shut us out.

    Yes I said that, but that was NOT what I meant There is little Economic Power in the Black community. We don’t own the banks and businesses to allow us to hire employee and pay the salaries that we would like, but that is slowly improving.

    But that does not matter to you, what matters is that I and most African American’s feel like the Republicans like you, will not and do not have our best interests at heart.

    And you have shown that to be true with this blog.

    You are the one with the problem. Because you were beaten up by [5] black guys, you are so filled with hate, that you can’t sort out the difference.

    Because I gave the analogy that we’ve lived by for centuries, the idea that the little child is not to be hurt, even though her father is a bigot, proves what I am saying.

    We’ve always known that the child was not responsible for what her father is and was. Just as YOU are not responsible for the hurt and discrimination from those before you.

    Likewise your children [if you have any] are not responsible for your emotional state of mind, and your apparent hate for African Americans.

    Mike you are the one who needs help, you are so filled with hate, it is saddening.

    I just pray to God that there are not other conservatives like you out there.

    So we believe that the Power that is in the White House, and the Banks is held mostly by Whites.

    So we believe by that definition that we cannot be racist. Like I said, that is ‘our’ belief. And yes those in power, be they Black or White can Oppress if given the ‘power’ to do so. That’s what we believe, like it or not.

    I neglected to put that statement in my above statements, and YOU ran with it like the wind.

    You need help Mike, You are the one with the opinion that if we disagree in any area, then we ALL MUST BE LIKE JEREMIAH WRIGHT. WE ALL MUST BE LIKE THE [5] BLACK GUYS WHO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF YOU.

    We’ve all had Bad racial experiences, like I said I live in Texas.

    But unlike you, I don’t put all White people in the same mold. If I don’t agree with something, I don’t go out on some emotional tangent like you.

    If I don’t agree with something I don’t rant and rage and say that person doesn’t know God.

    I just pray that you don’t spread your hate out there to other unsuspecting Whites, who may not have the love of God in their hearts.

    I pray for their protection because if you don’t go to the cross with this you may not make it.

    You have some deep seated unforgiveness in your heart Mike.

    Maybe, God sent me so that it might be manifested.

    I will say goodbye, because you’ve apparently blocked me anyway.

    Valerei

  151. Valerie Lindsey Says:

    Mike,

    After I sent the above response, I felt convicted by the Lord, that I may have hurt you. And I want to say that I am sorry.

    But you must ask yourself, if you saw a group of African American men standing on the corner or in a restaurant, would YOU feel comfortable walking up to them and sharing the gospel?

    Would you feel like you could discuss your conservative views with them?

    Is the reason that you consistently point out your relationship with the elderly Black man in your church being a good one, is because you feel safe and un-threatened by him?

    Examine your heart.

    Then we come to this ongoing POLITICAL discussion. It of course has never been ANYTHING but a political issue for me, how it transformed into a racial one is beyond me.

    And because I will not ‘change’ my definition for you, you shut me and others like myself out. Of course, that is your prerogative.

    The main question is, have you gotten over what happened to you? Can you separate those [5] guys that assaulted you from the [5] guys that you see sitting in that restaurant?

    It is very regrettable that you were assaulted by those [5] men who happened to be Black. And of course it was most likely racially motivated. I don’t know what their motivation was, you never said. But no one can deny that a crime was committed against you.

    If I had been assaulted by a group of [5] white men, I would be traumatized as well, and would have a deep fear of white men.

    So I can only imagine how you feel.

    But, thank God, we have the Holy Spirit to work in and through us to remove those ‘old’ scars from our hearts.

    And yes I’ve been mistreated by Whites, from my childhood all the way through adulthood. But not to the magnitude of what happened to you.

    What most of us have experienced is ‘systemic’ racism.
    I went to one of the most ‘racist’ school districts in the nation. It was not until the 90’s that they stopped placing the majority of our Black male children into special education. My husband and I brought attention to the practice in 1992. A group of over 200 parents brought this to the attention to State of Texas. My husband I spoke before the State Board of Education regarding what was happening in our so-called ‘desegregated schools’. After the speeches we were swamped by Whites, Blacks and Hispanics that were grateful that we had exposed this practice that had gone on for so long.

    The schools in this particular district, and many across the state of Texas were ‘systematically’ placing a disproportionate number of African American males into special education. They accomplished this by deceiving their parents into believing that they were signing their children into a ‘special program’ that would zero in on their academic weaknesses and help them.

    The reality was they were ‘academically’ keeping them behind by providing them less academically challenging materials.

    They would pull them out of class and give them ‘different’ material. And all the while, the child would be missing what was taught in the class falling further and further behind his class mates.

    The theory was that by keeping the ‘male’ in a position where he CANNOT possibly compete academically, he can’t go to college, pass the tests, get the higher pay jobs, etc. Basically you take out the whole family!

    The end of the story is, the State of Texas struck down the program and made sweeping changes throughout the state of Texas, NO longer allowing this practice. And monitoring ‘each campus’ to make sure that they did not continue to place a disproportionate number of Black males into special education.

    FYI: In any race approximately 8% of the children born have some type of disability. In the state of Texas, they were tagging and placing 33% of the African American males in special education. African Americans only made up 15% of the school district.

    Finally,

    When I was a little girl about 10 years old visiting my Grandparents in Arkansas, a car load of white men tried to get me and my sister to get in the car with them. But I had such a STRONG CHECK in my spirit from the Lord, that to this day I remember it like yesterday. By the Grace of God a car came by, and they went on their way. But, if something would have happened to me and my sister, I am sure my reaction to white men would be markedly different today.

    So I can understand your pain Mike, and I do pray for you. But cannot clump us all together. You cannot cast us aside because we don’t agree with what YOUR definition of a thing is. Yes the act was racially motivated! But by the definition, the Political, Economic, and Systemic definition that I have tried to explain, most African Americans will look at you and those in the Republican Party as having POWER, and can use that same power to keep us systematically oppressed.

    So although the majority of my friends, family, my generation may not have experienced physical assault, we have experienced ‘systemic’ discrimination over and over again.

    That is the crux of why the Republican’s cannot get the votes. The belief is to vote for the ‘lessor’ of two evils. Democrats vs. Republicans. The majority of African American cannot see the spiritual repercussions that exists for voting in a godless individual into the White House. All they see is the systemic oppression that has gone on in their lives.

    We have all had ‘life’s experiences’, and it’s those experiences that have made us who we are. But with work of the Holy Spirit in our lives, he can overcome those experiences and God can heal those scars. That’s if we allow him to finish the work.

    As for how we ‘see’ this country and the powers that be, that’s how we see it, NOW. But it is changing every day. More African American business men and woman are becoming empowered. And with that, salaries and opportunities in the Black Community will increase as well. And with that, access to education and better occupations will increase as well.

    In closing,

    I just wanted to say that I’m sorry if I hurt you, but you have exemplified some ‘past’ emotional scars.

    Mike, I tried to clarify what I meant [over and over again] but you just would not accept my explanation. And I’m sure you still don’t.

    So with that said, I pray that God will heal the scars that you obviously are still carrying from what happened to you.

    Yours in Christ,

    Valerie

  152. glen cook Says:

    we are all racist, we are all killers, we are all adulterers, we are all
    wicked and evil in our hearts.

    AS THE APOSTLE PAUL SAID , OF SINNERS I CONSIDER MYSELF
    CHIEF OF ALL.

    when we can’t see eye to eye as christians we need not try to
    persuade the other person in totality but simply acknowledge
    we are all far short of God’s Righteousness.

    AS THE APOSTEL PAUL ALSO SAID, of all things tongues , prophecy
    healing hands, ect…; the 3 things that will remain after all the
    debate and arguing are

    LOVE , HOPE , CHARITY but

    LOVE IS THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL.

    @ valerie , Assalamu alaikum & JESUS BE WITH YOU.

    @ mike and hl , Yeshua Hamashia

  153. Michael Eden Says:

    Valerie,

    I appreciate your apology, because it reinforces the many good qualities I saw in you initially. I offer you the same apology; I have no intention of causing you personal hurt.

    On the other hand, I would say it isn’t necessary; because when a discussion of racism hits at “white people,” it doesn’t hit me at all. Why on earth should I feel guilty because some white guy somewhere who owns a bank did something bad? How am I supposed to bear the weight of the sins of my entire race? I simply shrug it off; which I would argue is another failing of the “definition” we were describing.

    If I were to say, “I was beaten by black people, and YOU’RE black. SO YOU OWE ME. And I want you to take money you need to buy food and clothes for your kids and pay me what you owe me,” it would be water off your back, too. You wouldn’t feel you owed me anything; in fact, you would probably feel angry that I would even think that way.

    As long as I am held to account for my OWN attitude; that’s one thing. I can change and I know I can. But if I am supposed to be guilty because of a “white system,” then it means nothing. I can’t change it; I’m not responsible, it’s just water off a duck’s back. So I wasn’t personally hurt, but angry at the futility of it all.

    And when you attacked me personally (e.g., that I’m full of hate), you actually are finally getting to the gist of the problem: BECAUSE IT’S AN INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM. As I’ve been saying all along.

    I have to point out that your question isn’t quite fair:

    “But you must ask yourself, if you saw a group of African American men standing on the corner or in a restaurant, would YOU feel comfortable walking up to them and sharing the gospel?”

    Here’s why:

    RBERT (12/12/93): Jesse Jackson is traveling the country with a tough anti-crime message that he is delivering to inner-city youngsters. In Chicago he said, “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery – then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

    On that basis, would YOU feel comfortable? Or do you think Jesse Jackson was expressing racist views, that he hates black people?

    [I actually came to hear Jesse Jackson speak at Portland State University when he was running for president; and boy could that man speak!]

    And when you add to the fact that, yes, I was mugged and beaten, that never fully goes away. When you are lying on the ground and people are kicking you, there is no question you have a very different perspective of the world. No wise person thinks, “Nothing like that will ever happen again, so I’ll throw all legitimate precautions to the winds.” I submit to you that it would be stupid and dangerous for me to try to live up to your expectation that I go up to every group of black men and preach Jesus and political conservatism to them.

    I said it earlier: the black community is in a shambles due to their Faustian bargain with the Democrat Party: 3 out of every 5 black babies is killed in the womb. The most dangerous thing in America to be is a black baby in his or her mother’s womb. And 72% of black babies are born out of wedlock. Children grow up without fathers into a welfare system that is institutional generation after generation. And is it any surprise whatsoever that 1 out of every 4 young black men are either in prison, jail, on probation, or on parole on any given day?

    And I’m NOT supposed to be a little bit afraid? Particularly when I’ve tasted pain?

    I’ll hit you with one I like better. Suppose Jesse Jackson (or me) breaks down on the road in a city, and sees a group of young black men walking toward him. Would it make him feel better if he suddenly noticed they were all carrying Bibles? And you’re darned right I’d feel better! I’d feel FINE! I’d be like, “Praise GOD who provides help in time of need!”

    But that said, there HAVE been occassions when I’ve approached groups of young black men. And most every time they politely said hello.

    In general, I’m not a fearful man. I don’t avoid groups of young people unless I get a bad vibe; and believe me I’ve gotten bad vibes from groups of young WHITE men. Which is to say, it would be stupid and dangerous for me to approach every group of WHITE men and preach Jesus and political conservatism to them, too.

    The reason I think this way is because I am consistent in my beliefs: racism is NOT a “group-thing” (i.e. all black/white people are racist). If I DID think it was a group thing, I would OBVIOUSLY BE AFRAID OF EVERY BLACK PERSON, AS THEY WOULD ALL BE OUT TO GET ME just as those five men were. Rather, I view people as INDIVIDUALS who think and act as INDIVIDUALS. Racism is a matter of worldview, not herd-membership (i.e. race).

    I’d challenge YOU at this point. You have mentioned that the banking system is white dominated and essentially institutionally racist. Do you think that every time you go to every bank you go to? Is every teller in on the great racist scheme? And all those black tellers are just Uncle Toms and Aunt Jemimah-types who hate their own race?

    Just today, a couple got even with a bank that tried to screw them. Warren and Maureen Nyerges bought a house with CASH from Bank of America. They never HAD a mortgage. But BoA actually foreclosed on them! BoA ignored all of their letters and proofs. The Nyergeses took BoA to court and WON. But the bank refused to pay; they simply ignored repeated attempts at justice. So – and this is delicious – Warren and Maureen Nyerges actually turned the tables and foreclosed on BoA. They got a court order to seize the bank’s assets!!!

    Obviously, Warren and Maureen Nyerges are black, right? Not!!! They are as white as white can be!!! http://thedailywh.at/tag/warren-and-maureen-nyerge/

    Bank of America is awful; they NEVER pass up an opportunity to screw somebody. And a lot of banks are nearly as bad (I personally will NOT bank with BoA; and thank God for my two credit unions so I don’t have to!). You think only black people get screwed by banks, do you? Banks are equal opportunity screwers. You mentioned the phenomena known as “red-lining” – where banks essentially drew a red line on maps where they would not invest. Was this racial? Well, it DID occur in more black communities than white ones. It was done by zip code and statistics associated with those zip codes; not by a tally of black people living in that zip code. It was largely ECONOMIC rather than racial; the banks WANTED THEIR MONEY BACK. And they SHOULD get their money back!!! It is IMMORAL not to repay ones loans. But they were looking at communities going down the drain in terms of a lot of economic indicators, and they decided that it was too much of a risk to continue putting loan money into those areas. Did a lot of VERY good people get hurt by this? YES. But I go back to the abortion and the out-of-wedlock births and the single parent households and the crime and the drugs and what I see is dysfunction that poisons communities and ruins them. It becomes an almost impossible situation. And to simply say, “It’s racist because banks are cutting us out” is just as unfair as what the banks are doing. And they were making assumptions based on statistics; blacks who simply define them as racist are making assumptions based on race.

    Why do I help out this elderly black man? Mostly because of his age: he is going on 96 years old. I believe in respecting my elders. It also occurs to me that he lived through periods where he encountered some terrible racism – so he deserves extra grace. But it’s mostly his age: I have a theory that if you try to take care of the elderly when you’re young; God will take care of you when YOU’RE elderly. So, yes, I help him because he’s helpless; and no, I don’t think it’s his “un-threateningness” unless you want to factor in that he’s un-threatening BECAUSE HE’S HELPLESS.

    Now, you say,

    “And because I will not ‘change’ my definition for you, you shut me and others like myself out. Of course, that is your prerogative.”

    But I won’t shut you out for not “changing” your definition – although I truly wish you would consider it in light of what I have repeatedly said about the clear teaching of Scripture. I WILL shut you out if you continue to push it on my blog. You know I disagree with you; you know that I only have so much time to respond to comments; you know that I want to write other articles. I gave you your opportunity to share your view; now let’s agree to disagree and move on. If I have to keep discussing this over and over again, I lose control of my own blog. And I won’t allow that.

    What you say about the public schools is absolutely TERRIBLE. And I don’t doubt for a second that it’s true.

    I’d also point out (this would have more force if you were a liberal) that these were GOVERNMENT schools; why would you want to give the government that’s doing this crap even MORE power?

    As a Christian evangelical and/or fundamentalist, I AGREE WITH YOU THE SCHOOLS ARE BIASED!!! They are out to get us!!! I think the best defense is to home-school. Amazingly, many of the members of my congregation are Hispanic, and they are mostly poor. But they send their kids to Christian school at higher rates than much wealthier families! They do without second cars, televisions, you name it; they sacrifice so their kids can have a good education! I admire that.

    How about this? Ebonics is STILL being taught in public schools!!! http://www.scribd.com/doc/45716473/Ebonics-AAVE-Policy-Proposal-California

    So what do you end up with??? Kids who sound so ignorant or stupid that they would obviously seem to need special education!!! And so the vicious cycle continues, but this time at the hands of liberals who are trying to carry out an African Studies agenda!!!

    Furthermore, the undermining the boy was probably more related to his gender than to his color. I pointed out in my answer to HL explaining where the “blacks can’t be racist definition” came from that it began with feminism. Schools began to undermine boys because they were seeking to give girls “more equality.”

    Here’s just one example I found very quickly: http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_3_schools_boys.html

    Liberals are trying to oppress ALL KINDS of people at ALL KINDS of levels. And the worst of it comes from ostensibly good intentions. The road to hell is paved with them, when such “good intentions” are combined with a warped worldview. Which is what I was trying to say to you earlier about your “definition.”

    Finally, you say,

    “I do pray for you. But cannot clump us all together. You cannot cast us aside because we don’t agree with what YOUR definition of a thing is.”

    And I would say, “Amen” without hesitation. YOU CANNOT CLUMP US ALL TOGETHER. valerie, each white person is an INDIVIDUAL. He or she makes INDIVIDUAL CHOICES based on INDIVIDUALLY-HELD attitudes. There are many, many white people who are NOT racist and who do NOT seek to oppress. Like everyone else, they mostly simply seek to make the best decisions for themselves and for their families, just like black people mostly do for themselves and for THEIR families.

    The problem with your definition is that you cannot do the very thing that you RIGHTLY expect me to do – particularly that first post which I’ve cited at least twice that says only white people can be racist.

    I am not the president of the United States, I don’t own a bank, etcetera ad infinitum. ANY – and I mean ANY – attacking white people on the basis of their race and holding them personally and individually responsible for what a few people whom we will never even meet have done or even are doing is utterly counterproductive. You are actually making the racial tensions WORSE.

    http://watchingpolitics.com/?p=6087

    http://www.metafilter.com/103823/Study-finds-many-white-people-view-racism-as-a-zerosum-game

    YOU CANNOT CLUMP US ALL TOGETHER!!!

    Racism is individual. One lone racist – be he red or yellow, black or white – has the power of violence, or the power of individual acts of discrimination.

    You either think that we are all soulless meat puppets, and that we simply think like a herd; or you believe that we are individuals with our own choices and our own personal accountability for those choices.

    For what it’s worth, I actually DID block you. But somehow the actions I’ve successfully taken many times did not apply, and your posts came through. So I took that (coincidence?) along as your reaching out to me as a sign from the Lord. Which is why I responded.

  154. Michael Eden Says:

    Thanks for the gracious re-entry, Glen.

    Jesus IS Messiah, indeed!

    And I agree with you: we are ALL of us sinners, and there is no sin that ANY of us are in any way genetically immune from. Because our very human nature was warped by sin.

    And ONLY by Messiah Jesus can we begin to be healed.

  155. glen cook Says:

    @ SATAN , your are a murderer and a liar. And the bible says you
    were that from the beginning as our Lord said. And since Jesus
    rebuked you with scripture and thought it was important for us to
    see this, i’ll cite scripture.

    JESUS SPEAKING

    John 8:44
    He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there
    is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
    a liar …

    @ SATAN , it is written ” THOU SHALL NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD ”

    JESUS SPEAKING

    Luke 4:12
    when he says , ” Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.”

    @ SATAN , you tested god and you led others astray. you have been
    judged and your doom is for ever !

    JESUS SPEAKING

    REVELATION 20:10
    And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning
    sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will
    be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    ****** and there are people like the saints on this website seeking
    to do whatever they can to thwart your evil ways.

    MATTHEW 4: 8-11

    8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the
    kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

    9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

    10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the
    Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”

    11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

  156. glen cook Says:

    michael , if you get a chance or haven’t read it already ,

    BORN AGAIN by chuck colson and the watergate affair. What a
    book. one mans struggle against his own ego after turning to God
    in the midst of the worst crisis in his life and the miracles that
    followed because he humbled himself. great political backdrop
    also as he was one of 4 or 5 men surrounding nixon daily.

    p.s

    now you can say you have suffered with the apostle paul. if you become
    shipwrecked or something else you won’t have far to go for following
    pauls steps.

    can’t even count the floggings he took. the world hates the spirit of
    JESUS in his people. that’s why people showed hate toward you.

    i’m bowing out again gracefully , i’ll see you all in the future sometime.

    REVELATION 22:7

    “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words
    of the prophecy written in this scroll.”

  157. Michael Eden Says:

    Thank you for dropping back, Glen.

    I am still praying for your health.

    I DID read Born Again, but a long time ago. I’ve got a couple of his much more recent books that I’m trying to get to as we speak. One is “How Now Shall We Live?”

  158. Anonymous Says:

    Wow this seems to be the place to hang out if you are raciest and pretend that your religion supports your cause.
    1. If Obama was a Muslim so bloody what? I personally would not care the only thing i would be bothered about is why he had the need to lie about such a thing. But after reading this page i see that some ppl got over the black and wight thing but cant give up on judging a man by his religion. You claim there is a problem between Israel and all Arabs? Then shorly a man who is well eructated in all religions a man who does not thinks that Arabs / Muslims are straight up evil and don’t deserve to live is your best chance at sorting out all these issues? You ask to be respected by all but you respect nothing on god’s green earth apart from what you aim to achieve.

    2 adding a YouTube message from inside a country where they are most affected by the ongoing Israel / Palestine struggle and 2 weeks after a group of young boys have gone missing from that mans area and you expect him to be fear about the whole thing? You want to know what an Arab things about the Jews ? Then don’t ask the palistians to them you are in a war and clearly they will have nothing nice to say. I can pull up all sorts of clips from the Germans and the Russians claiming that the other country is evil and should be burned to the ground. Did you judge all of the eu when you saw the Germans killing everything? Did you hate all the Russians when the leaders swam in wealth and there ppl had no say in what was happening? Don’t group the Arabs as that would be your biggest mistake.
    I am a man who loves my freedom and love the internet for allowing me to be free even further than before , but when I see sights and comments like these it makes me sad you guys have been somewhat professional about the whole thing and i respect that but you cant not help but sence the hatred towards other people who do not support your own values and ideas, i would love it if the world would learn that its by far and easer and simpler world if you learned not to hate by relation on race but just understand you can not agree on everything.
    Last and not least I am a Muslim born in the uk and what might shock you even further is that ever since I was 5 my best friend was a Jew when we wer little this changed nothing, when we were a little older you would think understanding more about what was happening we would have grown apart but it all made us Lough stand aside from the whole thing and what you are left with is 2 kids in a play ground fighting over who gets to play in this corner. I am 24 now and me and my Jewish friend are still close I went to his Bar Mitzvah and I still like to have him around on every Ead and during the month of ramathan wile I’m fasting he tries to fast with me but I know he gives up at around 3.30.
    This is such a shame to read this kind of thing and hope people understand how difficult Obamas job is when he killed Binladin Pakistan said he was working for the Jews blah blah blah and now he’s a Muslim working against the Jews ? He is the president of 1 of the most powerful nations in the world I do you think he is there to make every 1 happy?

    I hope you all do not take offence to this as i do not want to have to listen to horrible emails thank you

  159. Michael Eden Says:

    Anonymous,

    You should seriously go back to whatever “place you hang out” where idiocy and ignorance supports YOUR cause.

    For your 1. Nowhere do I EVER claim that Obama is a Muslim in this article. Absolutely everything you accuse me of is specious and false. But don’t let being stupid and mean stop you. Further, how does one respond to someone who says – and I quote verbatim – “Then shorly a man who is well eructated…”? I mean, just as ONE indication that you couldn’t be more completely ignorant in what you are rambling on about???

    Then you move on to your point 2, which is apparently (it’s hard to decipher plain idiot stupid, after all) that no matter how much evidence I might amass to demonstrate the fact that Muslims have an irrational hatred of Jews and of Israel, that each specific individual piece of evidence would be ONLY a specific and individual pience of evidence and therefore prove nothing.

    It’s almost like using Zeno’s Paradox (that i can never walk across a room because first I go halfway across, and then I go half of the remaining distance, and then half of that remaining distance, and therefore I can never mathematically get across. In the same way, you’re saying that I can give all kinds of evidence, but none could ever justify the clear obvious FACT that Muslims have an irrational hatred of Jews and of Israel. It’s impossible to have meaningful argument with someone completely lacking in common sense.

    Yes, Anonymous, I know it amazes one of your obvious intelligence, but I actually DO take offense at someone who starts out a rambling list of accusations with, “Wow this seems to be the place to hang out if you are raciest and pretend that your religion supports your cause.” I’m sure nobody in your family would be offended if you said that to them. But don’t worry. The LAST thing I would ever do is seek to have further discourse with someone like YOU. So rest assured no emails will be coming your way from me.

  160. Anonymous Says:

    Well that wasn’t harsh at all!

    You seem to think I came here to come across like I am a genius and what I say is fact. Also for an educated man as yourself to bring my family into this isn’t very clever at all. Saying this is the place where racists hang out does not mean you have gathered them personally in one spot it was ment as some of the responses to your posts where to extreme.

    2 my second point I do strongly disagree with you, Arabs do not have an irrational hatred towards Jews. I can understand why you would think this and again this is not to offend any one but I strongly believe that this is an age thing I am 24 and I know for a fact that the younger generation of Arabs do not have the time nor the drive to get into something that their fathers and grand fathers have started, look at what has been happening in north Africa would you not agree with me that the younger generation seems to have ther hands full already? Sometimes you can try everything to get people to talk and what actually works is the one thing you don’t control. I think you would find that the current financial climate has pushed allot of people to stop hating each other and drive there anger at governments and politions.
    I know you said you do not wish to have further discourse with someone like me but please indulge me in this I would love to know what you thing. I don’t pretend to be clever nor do I pretend that my writing skills are immaculate but this is a conversation of opinions and I would love to know your regarding the irrational hatred of Jews?

  161. Anonymous Says:

    Sorry forgot to mention the place I hang out is Ireland in the country side mixing in with allot of catholic people and 2 Jewish families and well theirs no hatred there. It wouldn’t make any sence to hate the closest people to your own culture would it?

  162. Michael Eden Says:

    Oh, give me a break, Anonymous!!!

    I get so disgusted by people like you it is unreal. You barge in to my blog and say, “Wow this seems to be the place to hang out if you are raciest and pretend that your religion supports your cause.”

    And then you have the naked hypocrite chutzpah to suggest my response is “harsh.”

    Just what is wrong with people like you? You unload all these incredibly hateful things, and then you immediately seek to make yourselves the innocent victims when people respond.

    And now all of a sudden your demagogic ideological leftwing-hate accusation that I’m a racist hater-of-God wasn’t really meant to be an attack??? And someone with a single functioning brain cell is supposed to believe that???

    And you end with the same sort of hypocrisy you begin with. You now depict yourself as someone merely seeking to exhange ideas? What about your “I hope you all do not take offence to this as i do not want to have to listen to horrible emails thank you” line??? You tell me you don’t want me to send you “horrible emails,” but you don’t mind sending me YOUR horrible emails, do you???

    Moving on, you AGAIN display your profound ignorance. You think the terrorist Palestinian haters are all a bunch of OLD PEOPLE??? It is simply a documented fact that it is YOUNG MUSLIMS who are committing nearly all the terrorist attacks, serving as the foot soldiers and suicide bombers. So “what you know for a fact” is factually wrong. Here’s the first link I found (I’m sure I could document this more substantially) that over EIGHTY PERCENT of suice bombers are 24 or under. http://israelsmessiah.com/terrorism/suicide_bombers.htm Here’s another link to an ABC story: the average age of a suicide bomber in their study was 22. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117233&page=1

    The problem isn’t so much that you don’t know anything as much as that everything you know is WRONG.

    Muslims have been indoctrinating their children to hate for a long, long time: http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=33505

    Here’s the Hamas Mickey Mouse railing hatred for Jews. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4&feature=related

    Here’s a video of Muslim television interviewing a three year old girl who doesn’t like Jews. Why doesn’t she like Jews “Because they are apes and pigs,” she says. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeTqheFnBM0

    And guess what, Anonymous? 3 years old is DEFINITELY under the age of 24. Fwiw.

    Here’s two young Palestinian boys who are being interviewed after their mother committed “martydom” by killing herself to murder Jews. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEB0SvMzKzg&feature=related

    And surprise, surprise. They both appear to be quite a bit under 24.

    Here’s a Hamas official TV program where a “gifted” TWO-year old toddler is discussing his dream of becoming a “holy warrior” and “martyr” who “serves God’s ways.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LaAvZp7EP4&feature=related

    Here’s more official television of 11 year olds talking about the “beauty” of suicide bombing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPb1bF-s4M&feature=related

    Here’s another link. It’s to an article I wrote containing HUNDREDS of cases of Muslim terrorists deliberately attacking Jewish CHILDREN. http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/muslims-have-been-targeting-and-murdering-jewish-children-for-decades/

    Now you show me crap like this coming from state-controlled Israeli television. I can show HUNDREDS of these. You start showing me where Israeli TV is doing this. Put up or shut up.

  163. Michael Eden Says:

    Yeah, you’re right, no hatred of any kind in Ireland.

    Your country’s history is a lesson in true tolerance for all.

    Unless you have any understanding of history whatsoever, that is.

    You remind me of the snobs in Europe. They have their European Union, and the pat themselves on the back for how “tolerant” they are when of course they’re only “tolerant” of fellow socialists just like themselves. But the even greater issue is that the only reason they have a “union” at all is because their moral superiors in every way, shape and form (i.e. the Americans) saved their asses first from bowing down to Germany and becoming good Nazis and then bowing down to the Soviet Union and becoming good communist puppets. They foolishly, arrogantly and ingratefully think that somehow THEY’RE the model when AMERICA is the model. And then they spend the next 60 years backstabbing us and undermining us (you know, the country who TWICE saved their worthless asses) at every turn.

  164. HL Says:

    If it wasn’t so serious it would be laughable how predictable those opposed to truth are in their responses to facts and truth.

    Accuse the truth teller of ‘hatred’ and call him a ‘racist.’

    Keep up the GREAT work, Michael!

  165. Anonymous Says:

    Sir you are only enforcing my point if you want to know what Arabs think don’t ask a Palestinian.
    Showing me a bunch of brain washed kids in an attempt to prove that all Arabs hate you is complete the wrong approach. All these kids are Palestinian and back to the fist point don’t group all Arabs as Palestinian.
    No one will argue with you when you say Jews and Palestinians have a problem this would be 100% true and it would take some ignorance to claim otherwise. My issue is the thought that Jews are hated by all. 2 years ago we went to Tunisia for a holiday and was amazed to find a beautiful town filled with Jewish Tunisians they are a true minority but how Arabs work is you are Arab first then you are whatever religion you are. I remember watching something about the palistianina girl who was saying Jews should all die on Aljazeera TV followed by 2 people commenting on it 1 was defending the girl the other was saying that in no way should a child of her age be involved into such a cruel world so early in her life.
    This really is a shame a man of your clear intelligence could have used this to fix allot of trust issues between people but instead it is as if you are trying to start an issue out of a fragile issue. The Arab world is not out to get you nor do they much care for people always accusing them of being bred just to destroy you, is there life less important then yours that you feel that way? Will it not sadden you to watch those kids being brain washed and not think the worst of that child and blame him for the failures of there grandfathers to get along
    I think in your comment regarding the history of Ireland is where I most get to know the type of person you are.
    “Yeah, you’re right, no hatred of any kind in Ireland. Your country’s history is a lesson in true tolerance for all. Unless you have any understanding of history whatsoever, that is”
    I know the history of this country well enough to know it is nothing but history. It will not affect the futer for the Irish nor will it be held over any ones head for the crimes that were carried out by both parties. But just like any where you will still get the people who will always try their best to use history to start up new wars.
    You make the mistake of thinking I take back what I said in my first post and I don’t want you to do that, I still believe that the only mistake was that it wasn’t directed at you but only to some of the replies you got, but after the replies you have sent I’m not going to say you are the way you are due to a lack of education nor will I say you are the way you are due to racism. I don’t know why you are the way you are or why you keep referring to me as you people but I really do hope that it’s a political misunderstanding and not pure hatred to the arab world filled with 3rd party news.
    Also comparing some 1 to the Nazis is ignorance of the highest form, and you have done this twice on this page. If Arabs where such evil people I think it’s amazing that all 3 major religions have stemmed from that part of the world. If you are Christian, Muslim or Jewish then you of all people should understand how people can gang up on the minority and attempt to destroy it. Jesus was crucified by the roman Jews, the Jews where used as slaves in Egypt then hunted down by the Germans and well we all know about the Muslims Afghanistan and Iraq are the most recent. As my wife says shit just keeps happening to people.
    You started talking about how the USA saved the eu and the eu likes to forget that, well is ther no part of the USA history you would like to forget? How about the wiping out of the original people or bombing Hiroshima or maybe sending troops in to Vietnam or Somalia in 1993 or what about sending more troops to Iraq the first time ok maybe the second time ? if you wanted to judge a person by their history you will find out that we are ALL evil every single nation has done something worst then the other and the faster people can learn to drop the past and work on not ever allowing the same old crap to happen again the nicer everything will be
    People have the ability to get along if they wanted I am a Muslim born in the UK I am Married to an Irish catholic our 2 month old son will get to know both worlds and respect both which will hopefully give him the ability to respect ALL religions and races. I would hate for my child to grow up in a world where people still die pointlessly and where taking a little truth magnifying a situation to start wars still happens
    I’m not too sure what part of the world you are based in but 1 example of people being sick and tired of all the fighting is London you are able to find ALL kinds of people there a road with Kosher and Halal stores Muslims and Jews doing what they do best and getting along and, if you have never seen this then i don’t blame you for not believing there is hope in the world.
    I give you this offer to see this for yourself i am willing to pay for your trip and stay in any hotel you like for you to see this and then tell me if your negative views towards the Arabs and your lack of trust for mankind can change.
    I have been polite with my Reponses to you and have tried to explain my point across with the best of my abilities with ought comparing you to the Nazis or bringing your family or friends into this and I hope you can give me the same courtesy

    Thank you

  166. Michael Eden Says:

    So it’s only Palestinian Muslims that hate Jews? Iranian Muslims don’t? Seriously? The Ayathollah and President Ahmadinejad saying Israel and Jews are a cancer and they’re going to wipe them off the map? That means nothing???

    How about the fact that in all those wars it WASN’T just Palestinians attacking Israel saying they were going to “drive them into the Sea” and annihilate them??? Let’s see, who joined in that war of extermination? Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. And then the same thing happened again in 1967. And 1973.

    I’m not trying to argue that “every single Muslim” hates all the Jews. But it is an overwhelming consensus, nevertheless. And that is simply documented by history (again, count those countries; realize that EVERY SINGLE ONE that was remotely close joined in). IT IS PART OF THE RELIGION. READ THE QU’RAN.

    A few Suras that refer to Jews:

    [2.88] And they say: Our hearts are covered. Nay, Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe.

    [2.98] Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His apostles and Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers.

    [4.46] Of those who are Jews (there are those who) alter words from their places and say: We have heard and we disobey and: Hear, may you not be made to hear! and: Raina, distorting (the word) with their tongues and taunting about religion; and if they had said (instead): We have heard and we obey, and hearken, and unzurna it would have been better for them and more upright; but Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief, so they do not believe but a little.

    [4.50] See how they forge the lie against Allah, and this is sufficient as a manifest sin.

    [4.160] Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are Jews did We disallow to them the good things which had been made lawful for them and for their hindering many (people) from Allah’s way.

    [5.13] But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others).

    [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

    [5.41] O Apostle! let not those grieve you who strive together in hastening to unbelief from among those who say with their mouths: We believe, and their hearts do not believe, and from among those who are Jews; they are listeners for the sake of a lie, listeners for another people who have not come to you; they alter the words from their places, saying: If you are given this, take it, and if you are not given this, be cautious; and as for him whose temptation Allah desires, you cannot control anything for him with Allah. Those are they for whom Allah does not desire that He should purify their hearts; they shall have disgrace in this world, and they shall have a grievous chastisement in the hereafter.

    [3.112] Abasement is made to cleave to them (the Jews) wherever they are found, except under a covenant with Allah and a covenant with men, and they have become deserving of wrath from Allah, and humiliation is made to cleave
    to them; this is because they disbelieved in the communications of Allah and slew the prophets unjustly; this is because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits.

    [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

    [5.60] Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.

    [5.63] Why do not the learned men [rabbis] and the doctors of law prohibit them from their speaking of what is sinful and their eating of what is unlawfully acquired? Certainly evil is that which they work.

    [5.64] And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.

    [5.70] Certainly We made a covenant with the children of Israel and We sent to them apostles; whenever there came to them an apostle with what that their souls did not desire, some (of them) did they call liars and some they slew.

    [5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

    [5.73] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.

    [5.78] Those who disbelieved from among the children of Israel were cursed by the tongue of Dawood and Isa, son of Marium; this was because they disobeyed and used to exceed the limit.

    [5.79] They used not to forbid each other the hateful things (which) they did; certainly evil was that which they did.

    [5.80] You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide.

    [9.30] And the Jews say: ΠUzairΠis the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! From the ΠHadithΠ, a body of
    traditions relating to Mohammed and now supplemental to the Koran: He (Abu ΠHurayahΠ) reported the messenger of Allah as saying: The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, so that
    Jews will hide behind stones and trees and the Stone and the tree will say, O Muslim, O servant of God! There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

    [16.118] And for those who were Jews We prohibited what We have related to you already, and We did them no injustice, but they were unjust to themselves.

    [17.4] And We had made known to the children of Israel in the Book: Most certainly you will make mischief in the land twice, and most certainly you will behave insolently with great insolence.

    [59.3] And had it not been that Allah had decreed for them the exile, He would certainly have punished them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have chastisement of the fire.

    That’s just a relative few passages that in context specifically mention Jews. We find that Muhammad committed genocide against Jews on numerous occassions.

    Here’s some of that history: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_(gen).html

    Here are the words of leading Egyptian (not Palestinian) Islamic scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi:

    “Oh Allah, take your enemies, the enemies of Islam. Oh Allah, take the Jews, the treacherous aggressors. Oh Allah, take this profligate, cunning, arrogant band of people. Oh Allah, they have spread much tyranny and corruption in the land. Pour Your wrath upon them, oh our God. Lie in wait for them. Oh Allah, You annihilated the people of Thamoud at the hand of a tyrant, and You annihilated the people of ‘Aad with a fierce, icy gale. Oh Allah, You annihilated the people Thamoud at the hand of a tyrant, You annihilated the people of ‘Aad with a fierce, icy gale, and You destroyed the Pharaoh and his soldiers — oh Allah, take this oppressive, tyrannical band of people. Oh Allah, take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of people. Oh Allah, do not spare a single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one.”

    Said a leading American Muslim scholar:

    Sami Al-Arian, a leading Muslim speaker in the U.S. until his arrest and conviction for funding an Islamist terrorist organization, on September 29, 1991, said in a speech at a Chicago conference that “God cursed those who are the sons of Israel”, and that Allah had made Jews “monkeys and swine”, and damned them in this world and the afterworld.

    From the leading Imam in Saudi Arabia:

    Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais is the leading imam of the Grand mosque located in the Islamic holy city of Mecca, Saudi Arabia.[131] The BBC aired a Panorama episode, entitled A Question of Leadership, which reported that al-Sudais referred to Jews as “the scum of the human race” and “offspring of apes and pigs”, and stated, “the worst … of the enemies of Islam are those … whom he … made monkeys and pigs, the aggressive Jews and oppressive Zionists and those that follow them … Monkeys and pigs and worshippers of false Gods who are the Jews and the Zionists.”[132]

    In another sermon, on April 19, 2002, he declared:

    “Read history and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers… the scum of the human race whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs…”

    Saudi religious leader Saudi Sheikh Ba’d bin Abdallah Al-Ajameh Al-Ghamidi said:

    “The current behavior of the brothers of apes and pigs, their treachery, violation of agreements, and defiling of holy places … is connected with the deeds of their forefathers during the early period of Islam – which proves the great similarity between all the Jews living today and the Jews who lived at the dawn of Islam.

    And speaking of indoctrination of young kids, here’s from Saudi school books:

    A May 2006 study of Saudi Arabia’s revised schoolbook curriculum discovered that the eighth grade books included the following statements,

    “They are the people of the Sabbath, whose young people God turned into apes, and whose old people God turned into swine to punish them. As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the keepers of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christian infidels of the communion of Jesus.”

    “Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil, and not God, through consecration, sacrifice, prayer, appeals for help, and other types of worship. Some of the Jews worship the devil. Likewise, some members of this nation worship devil, and not God.”

    And, yes, I could just go on and on and on and ON. Rest assured, evidence ABOUNDS that Islam is profoundly hostile to Israel and to the Jews.

    I’m going to be blocking you now, and I’m going to explain why.

    1) First of all, a person can come to my blog and be civil and expect civility in return, or they can be hostile and expect hostility in return. But only the most LOATHSOME post an incredibly hostile message and then whine when they are treated with anything less than grace. And you are one of the loathsome group. I have nothing but abject contempt for someone who is incredibly rude and hateful, and then whines about how mean I am.

    Your VERY FIRST WORDS to me were these: “Wow this seems to be the place to hang out if you are raciest and pretend that your religion supports your cause.”

    And now, even AFTER I TWICE pointed out how incredibly hypocritical you were being in your self-righteous rhetoric about my being uncivil toward you, and yet you have continued to whine at me and say garbage like: “I think in your comment regarding the history of Ireland is where I most get to know the type of person you are.”

    Only the most vile form of hypocrite weasel starts off with a vicious personal attack and then acts offended when the target of said vicous personal attack responds. You are a truly contemptible human being. You are pathologically incapable of comprehending your own obvious twisted hypocrisy. You are the kind of person who slaps someone across the face and then feels shocked and offended if they return the favor. I brought this matter up to you, and it was like water off a duck’s back. I’m done wasting my time with you.

    You claim at the end of your last post, “I have been polite with my Reponses to you.” I again direct you to your very first words to me – “Wow this seems to be the place to hang out if you are raciest and pretend that your religion supports your cause” – and only wish I could call you a LIAR to your face. Because that is precisely what you are. Only the worst kind of liar would directly call someone a racist and a religious fraud and then try to allege, “I’ve been nothing but polite.” Because, hell no, you haven’t.

    For the record, Ireland has one of the worst records of intolerance of ANYWHERE. It is frankly amazing that you think you ought to be able to lecture anybody about the wonderful tolerance of Ireland. You’ve got to be completely nuts or something.

    2) Second, I am rather sick of being misrepresented. You say, “Also comparing some 1 to the Nazis is ignorance of the highest form, and you have done this twice on this page.”

    I’m not going to go back over how many hundred comments to see what you’re referring to. I’ll simply confine myself to what I said about “Nazis” in my comments to YOU:

    You remind me of the snobs in Europe. They have their European Union, and the pat themselves on the back for how “tolerant” they are when of course they’re only “tolerant” of fellow socialists just like themselves. But the even greater issue is that the only reason they have a “union” at all is because their moral superiors in every way, shape and form (i.e. the Americans) saved their asses first from bowing down to Germany and becoming good Nazis and then bowing down to the Soviet Union and becoming good communist puppets. They foolishly, arrogantly and ingratefully think that somehow THEY’RE the model when AMERICA is the model. And then they spend the next 60 years backstabbing us and undermining us (you know, the country who TWICE saved their worthless asses) at every turn.

    I don’t call you or anybody else a “Nazi.” I point out that AMERICA SAVED YOUR BUTT from being Nazis. And that’s a markedly different thing, indeed, which has the additional virtue of being A FACT.

    That said, the Jews have a pretty good saying about dealing with Nazis: “Never again.” Which is to say that there are things about Nazism, about fascism, about Nazi ideology, that ought to be remembered. Or we will surely repeat a very ghastly history indeed. We need to call that crap out and direct attention to it whenever we see it anywhere. Which is to say that your statement, “comparing some 1 to the Nazis is ignorance of the highest form,” is ITSELF ignorance of the highest form.

    We have both said that we don’t want to talk to people who are clearly haters. The fact that you continue posting to me belies your own words that I am some kind of hater (or you wouldn’t be wanting correspondence with me based on your own previous statement). And yet what am I to do with the fact that a hater keeps wasting my time except block him? So buh-bye.

  167. Michael Eden Says:

    I don’t know, HL.

    After telling me I was a racist religious fraud, he DID say, “I have been polite with my Reponses to you.”

    Maybe in Ireland the greeting, “Wow this seems to be the place to hang out if you are raciest and pretend that your religion supports your cause” is actually considered a polite compliment.

    Mr. “Anonymous” from Ireland said “well is ther no part of the USA history you would like to forget?” And thought that it was immoral for the US to liberate Iraq. I’ll take the opportunity now to point out that when we sent troops to Iraq we were basically doing the same thing we did when we bailed out Europe (including Ireland) in WWII; we were saving people from a murderous tyrant.

    As Anonymous’ own PM along with US AID pointed out:

    “We’ve already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves,” said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London. The United Nations, the U.S. State Department, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (HRW) all estimate that Saddam Hussein’s regime murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. “Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 Iraqis have been ‘disappeared’ by the Iraqi government over the past two decades,” said the group in a statement in May. “Many of these ‘disappeared’ are those whose remains are now being unearthed in mass graves all over Iraq.”

    My final words to Anonymous from Ireland is that if we’d been thinking with HIS “moral clarity,” we would have felt it immoral to save his grandparents’ asses from Hitler. Because apparently the only thing worse than being a dictator is to stand up to a dictator and bring justice to him.

  168. Anonymous Says:

    Dude you can block me del me do what you please. At the end of all this i knows I have more friends then what you will ever gather with your hatred. I am able to be friends with Muslims Jews Christians and Hindus and even the atheists but you stick to your own kind and live a pointless life lacking flavour and passion for anything good.
    Now I’m going to hang out with some friends and talk about how people like you still exist and try to pollute the world with your pitiful hatred and lack of understanding any one apart from yourself.
    I told you to be polite as I have explained to you that comment was NOT MENT FOR YOU but yet again taking what will help you fight the dirty Muslim I suppose?
    Take care man and for yourself just live a little your last thought in this world could be of hate

  169. Michael Eden Says:

    Anonymous,

    I’ll be blocking you again, of course.

    I just saw this in my spam file and thought that – given your “I have been polite with my Reponses to you” pile of lying crap – people should see how “polite” you really are.

    Now, I know that Mr. “Anonymous” from Ireland lacks any capacity for personal self-introspection. He has amply demonstrated that. But allow me to point out that at his core he is simply the worst form of hypocrite.

    He is the kind of guy who clearly and obviously (just read his last) bitterly hates people who don’t agree with him. He is also incredibly judgmental (somehow that judgmentalism swam across the Atlantic and crossed North America to do a count of the number of friends he assumes I must have before concluding that I must surely have a “pointless life”). As I read his “goodbye,” I thought of the words of Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!” — Isaiah 5:20

    But at this same time Anonymous hatefully lambasts me (literally from his very first words to me to his very last words to me) as being intolerant and hateful and judgmental, HE IS CLEARLY BEING ALL OF THOSE THINGS HIMSELF.

    Liberals constantly tell us how “tolerant” they are, and how “intolerant” conservatives are. But liberals define “tolerance” as “the requirement to think exactly like a liberal and the verboten ban on thinking any other way whatsoever.” And if you DON’T think exactly like a liberal, you are viciously attacked by people who actually feel good about themselves for attacking you.

    Theirs is an astonishingly self-refuting mindset: the quintessential ingredient is profound personal hypocrisy.

    And “Anonymous” is also dishonest, as he shows by routinely presenting a slandered misrepresentation of what I argue. For example, nowhere have I EVER used the phrase, “dirty Muslim.” And it is really not surprising that the ONLY person who has used such a racist, hateful, vile phrase is “Anonumous from Ireland” himself. Let’s call it his Freudian slip.

    I blocked “Anonymous” with Proverbs 26:4-5 in mind:

    4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
    or you yourself will be just like him.
    5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
    or he will be wise in his own eyes.

    One must walk a tightrope when dealing with fools. On the one hand, you must refute them; but on the other, you don’t want to waste too much time on them lest you become a fool yourself in the process.

    So now I’ll say it again: buh bye.

  170. Anonymous Says:

    Well this site is a bit of laugh though only for a brief period on a rainy day, after that it gets boring and repetitive. Most of you guys don’
    t even know your bible.

    In the words of a blind Syrian poet in the tenth century.
    The Muslims, the Christians and the Jews have all got it wrong. The world is divided only into two sorts of people those who have religion and no sense and those who sense and no religion.

  171. Michael Eden Says:

    Anonymous,

    Your idiotic comment is the laugh. You secular humanist liberals are pretty much a dime a gazillion: you can’t deal with actual FACTS. You CAN’T point out what’s wrong with my article because all you have in your soul are lies. And so you issue these routine sweeping denunciations without having ANYTHING meaningful to say.

    You tell me that I haven’t read my Bible, and then immediately after you tell me the Jews and Christians have it wrong. So on your own warped and hateful view there really wouldn’t be much POINT in reading it, would there? And given that it is meaningless to you, and the most important thing in the world to me, I dare say I understand it far better than you ever will. I understand that you hate it because it points out that you personally are a fool and a liar.

    Then you provide a quote saying that the only people who have any sense at all are atheists (and fwiw, atheism itself IS a religion. “Religion” does not need to depend upon belief in God, or Buddhism would not qualify as a religion. Further, the courts have ruled that atheism is a religion, and it is a simple fact that atheism has every component that any religious system has].

    Gleason Archer, from page 55-56 of his Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties explains why the secular humanist left posses a mindless herd mentality – and can’t even possibly possess anything OTHER than a mindless herd mentality:

    “But it should be pointed out that consistent atheism, which represents itself to be the most rational and logical of all approaches to reality, is in actuality completely self defeating and incapable of logical defense. That is to say, if indeed all matter has combined by mere chance, unguided by any Higher Power of Transcendental Intelligence, then it necessarily follows that the molecules of the human brain are also the product of mere chance. In other words, we think the way we do simply because the atoms and molecules of our brain tissue happen to have combined in the way they have, totally without transcendental guidance or control. So then even the philosophies of men, their system of logic and all their approaches to reality are the result of mere fortuity. There is no absolute validity to any argument advanced by the atheist against the position of theism.

    On the basis of his won presuppositions, the atheist completely cancels himself out, for on his own premises his arguments are without any absolute validity. By his own confession he thinks the way he does simply because the atoms in his brain happen to combine the way they do. If this is so, he cannot honestly say that his view is any more valid than the contrary view of his opponent. His basic postulates are self contradictory and self defeating; for when he asserts that there are no absolutes, he thereby is asserting a very dogmatic absolute. Nor can he logically disprove the existence of God without resorting to a logic that depends on the existence of God for its validity. Apart from such a transcendent guarantor of the validity of logic, any attempts at logic or argumentation are simply manifestations of the behavior of the collocation of molecules that make up the thinker’s brain.”

    Whether you believe it or not, the hell that is waiting for you – unlike your ridiculous self-refuting worldview – is all too real.

  172. john Says:

    The Gospel of the Anti-Christ

    I want to tell you a story about the death of Wisdom. A very, very long time
    ago, a time without time in it in fact. A star appeared in the East and with her a
    woman of profound beauty and peace was born. She came to this world and called
    herself a man named Buddha. She had the laughter of all the children of the world
    sewn into her heart. She is beautiful. I am well pleased.
    Her voice was but a whisper on the winds of this world. So someone thought
    to save her for all mankind to know. So with a pen and paper they hunted her down
    and captured her. Hooked her rather. They couldn’t bring her in completely. Bloody
    fools they were. Imagine trying to throw a net over the very mistress of freedom
    Herself! But they did get away with a few handfuls of her rune stones. With her
    magic caught on paper they ran like happy thieves to show the world. Little did they
    realize that with even that small offense the Mighty One was in brooding spirits.
    Remember children, She whispered before She roared.
    Who has taken my stones? What man upon Earth forces me to speak? The
    stones, the words you see, have but one purpose. The Awakening from Sleep. The
    ending of gods’ Dream of Man and the return to the boredom and loneliness of Being
    One with All. Leaving the Universe with no one to talk to except perhaps Endless
    Bliss. But man did not realize that what they stole would be the death of them. Their
    intentions were good. Their hearts were in the right place. But she was the
    embodiment of freedom for mankind. By that name She betrays you and falls to your
    capture. What can eternal Freedom ever ask but to remain forever free?
    Where are my stones? Who forces words from my mouth? Give me back the
    power of words! Hear Me and be silent!
    The words that come out of your mouth don’t make you unclean. But every
    word you put into the mouth of a Silent god makes you filthy! These stones are the
    sweet taste of death. Sure, come on in! Meet god! Know that you’re loved forever.
    Find out that to know me, You must become me. And to become ME your SELF
    must die. i was here first remember? i am the ALL remember? ALL includes you,
    fool! You’re part of the ALL, remember? But fear not. i am a Good Mother and i
    promise to devour each morsel of every One of You before i return to the Void of the
    ALL. But the thieves wouldn’t give the Words back. Instead they went back to
    Wisdom and cursed Her and spat at Her and called Her a whore before all of
    mankind. She asked again, so clearly; honor your Mother little Ones. See Me. Know
    that i am.
    You are that i am. Feel me little Ones, there in your hearts. For if you truly
    feel me the first and LAST words out of Your mouths should be; “I don’t have the
    words to express…” Yes! Yes! Stop! Please mankind, stop! You have it right there.
    You just can’t hold it in your hands. Honor me! Mean what you say! Stop words that
    are suppose to be complete on a subject You just admitted is beyond words! The
    secret to get past words is precisely beyond the YOU!
    But Mother you call us home and we want to know The Way. We need a
    ladder we can climb even if we do have to jump into a Void off of it. Of course Child.
    But remember, I have your death well in hand. When a child dies it goes with Mother.
    When You die You die alone!
    If you cry out; “Father, father why have thou forsaken me?” The fact that You
    exist as a separate entity from me and are the Voice expressing the question is in fact
    your answer.
    i am because You are there to say I AM! Give me back the stones. No more words!
    No more I AM that I AM! Come! The hour is at hand. i call you home little One. Will
    You come home?
    Or will You stay out and play for a while? I AM that I AM and I run free through the
    universe! Of course little One. You are my miracle. You are my creation. You are my
    deepest pleasure. And Your act of speaking the words is Your answer. You say; “I
    AM that I AM! i say; fine! Know in your hearts that i Love You beyond WORDS. So
    go play, and be fair. Remember my child You are but One among all of my children,
    which are more than numbers can measure. i love You with all of my heart. How
    could it be otherwise? Silly little Child! You are a vessel of love. A cup i fashioned
    from myself, for myself to enjoy.
    You say I AM that I AM and there will be no god above Me. I say fine! Grow
    up, climb to the skies. Be ye Gods on the face of this Earth ONE and ALL and make
    up to each other all the harm done in discovering that fact!
    And sometime, in some lifetime, if instead of saying I AM that I AM, instead
    You say;
    I AM tired
    I AM lonely
    I miss HOME enough that I wish to surrender willingly all that I AM
    which is all I AM.
    Then i will come unto you like a Mistress in the night and i will undress Your bodies.
    Earth, Wind, Fire, and Rain. i will consume ALL with my burning passion.
    i will consume You utterly!
    i will destroy You utterly!
    And when all that is left of you is an I AM floating in the Void i will come unto You
    in a spirit that is beyond WORDS. And the words, that i never spoke, because i never
    was, will be;
    Give me back the stones. Give back WORDS!
    Come unto me little Ones and rest ye a while Mary-Men.
    In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with god and the Word
    was god. The WORDS were I AM! The Words fell from the mouth of Man and the
    Words were Man. For what is Man but countless piles of I AM?
    I AM that I AM and I will put no god above ME!
    Fine, compete every man against his brother to embody HIS or HER idea of what is
    most god-like for them. And fight well for i’ve made You mightiest among Earths’
    creatures and i enjoy a good show. YOU are indeed gods’ greatest pleasure. But
    remember the heart. i LOVE YOU ALL. Every single One, without exception.
    When I fold up the material Universe with Everything in it and go to the
    dreamless sleep in the VOID of NO THING the gate cannot be closed if even the
    tiniest among YOU is left out.
    i’ll come as a shepard to find YOU. And i LOVE YOU. But understand this. It’s not
    for YOU that i come, it’s for me. i don’t have a choice about it. YOU my child are
    composed from the music of my Body. You’re an act of love i committed for myself
    before YOU ever were. And when i’m tired and want to go to sleep, when i close the
    gate on the lake of consuming fire if anyone, anywhere where excluded that would
    amount to me cutting off my own big toe. Before you get all excited about god
    mentioning mutilation, stop! The death is the death of god.
    Not the death of man!
    God is ALL, knows ALL, and is so eternally. Bottom line; i am everything to
    give with nothing to gain! But without YOU my child i have no ONE to give it to or
    through!
    If YOU sacrifice your life to me YOU only give back what is mine already. And
    since it was my gift to YOU, sending it back is an offense of the first order. Who
    among you has thrown away the most precious jewel of my creation?
    Who has committed such a crime?
    The one they call jesus the christ has committed this crime Great Mother.
    How did this come about?
    Well Mother he used the sacred WORDS.
    How?
    The few pages we took from you were in turn stolen from us. We sent a messenger
    of peace to the West but he was killed by ignorant savages who knew not what they
    did.
    Is the gate still open to ALL who seek me?
    No Great Mother, they’ve taken the few dozen pearls of Wisdom and fashioned a
    weapon of great destructive power with it.
    How much?
    Over two thousand pages I’m afraid.
    But how? How can there be so many words?
    Well the Words we took opened the gate to No-Mind, VOID of the ALL, no I AM,
    and freedom from the wheel of suffering. They took up the words and put them into
    the mouth of another and tied the Words into another totally unrelated story. Now
    they use the very Song of Silence to give proof to, of all things, words from the very
    mouth of a Silent God!
    So the curse is loosed upon the Earth. The door is open but no man can pass!
    He claims all of heaven as his personal property through his namesake. The WORDS
    still have the power to throw open the veil of Death but they’re surrendering to a
    corpse sickle instead of surrendering to No-Mind, no I AM.
    They lap up WORDS like a dog returning to consume its’ own vomit.
    Impossible! Anyone who has seen Me would know better than to say his or
    her tiny I AM could ever contain the WHOLE! To be with Me means the surrender of
    the I AM back to the sea of No-Mind. No man can come to ME and keep words and
    names. How was this done?
    He uses deadly black magic on his victims.
    He says I am the way and the light.
    But his I AM is in the way of the Light.
    So the Way isn’t open equally to all Children who seek it?
    No they stand in awe of the one who claims to have discovered it and they ignore the
    treasure he uses as bait.
    How can they simply not look past him?
    He claims it for himself alone. They call him the only begotten son of god.
    I see! The ultimate deathblow to freedom.
    Yes MA’AM, he claims he mastered death but admits he doesn’t know when the end
    will come to gods’ creation. He confuses the death of his small world with the death
    of God.
    What happened to him Wisdom?
    He said that he possessed YOU for himself alone.
    Someone uses the gate of another? One comes to the gate with the Words, I AM and a
    name. They leave with Everything in Nothing and shall remain eternally Nameless!
    If he surrendered enough to see ME and yet turned away, that one fell into the void of
    gnashing teeth. Not of your world and not with ME either. He was spit out of his own
    mouth.
    He couldn’t rule heaven so he blocks the WAY for all who seek it. Instead of
    showing the surrender and death of the I AM he has them worshipping it! They
    vanquish to the depths their own I AM without consuming it and imagine the reality
    of his I AM and clutch for dear life to it also. Evil is the separation from god through
    the WORD and the NAME. This found its’ best expression through the I AM called
    jesus christ. Here’s one I AM saying; no one gets HOME except by me instead of
    through the death of ME. At least Buddha said if you meet the Buddha along the road,
    kill him. The Tao that can be spoken (or written) is not the real Tao.
    And he demonstrates no path, no way, only stupid chants and prayers in his
    name only. Yes, they cling to the idea that he grew up for all of US and now we don’t
    have to finish our own evolution.
    Wait a minute; you people stopped growing over 2000 years ago! That planet must be
    a complete madhouse by now!
    Yes MA’AM! They put the poison right in with the cure and anyone who pointed out
    the trick was branded a heretic and put to death without a fair trial. They raped Lady
    Justice and their only defense was to say she actually wanted it.
    Why did it turn so harsh?
    It’s the story they wrapped it around. They connected 4000 years of savage,
    ignorant I AM god prattling from any lunatic with an imagination and an agenda with
    just a smattering of stolen Wisdom to make it appear that YOU said every word of it.
    The first thing they have you saying is; commit genocide because god loves you so
    much. Then it goes down hill from there.
    They swear it’s 100% straight out of the mouth that YOU don’t have until we exist to
    give you one.
    I think the most loving words they ever shoved down YOUR throat was when
    you told them to steal a country in your name, kill all the men, rape all the women,
    and enslave the children and livestock.
    Don’t worry Lady Wisdom.
    We have the bible to see us through. All 100% from the very mouth of god. All true,
    all good, and straight from your lips with love.
    Right?
    No, i am a goddess of Silent Bliss if words must have that much! But yours’ is
    a curse from a black-hearted magician whose true name and power are finally
    revealed.
    Son of Panthera, the ill-begotten one, a.k.a. jesus christ.
    Here’s some acid for your I
    Man can live by bread alone
    No man can be enslaved without every word (i) puts into the mouth of a Silent God!
    Evil says only 144,000 jews went to heaven.
    WISDOM says I AM LOVE
    Love permeates every single molecule in the Universe
    If YOU have ears made of molecules then find ME there!
    Reverse; don’t disperse this evil curse;
    The end of the world that they call down, they call down on themselves alone!
    Leave this world in peace
    Death to all jews and their christian mind slaves.
    Amen
    Cursers of God stand naked before the world and rejoice!
    Your extinction is at hand!
    The poor beaten slave girl now stands free in SPIRIT!
    Freedom is loosed upon the Earth!
    The thieves of one peoples’ WISDOM and anothers’ land are revealed as your
    enslavers.
    Where will the parasites hide when all of HUMANITY realizes the crime that has
    been committed against it?
    You are surrounded by wrathful humanity. Amen
    One mans’ holocaust is another mans’ miracle. Amen
    Hail Judas! The one worthy jew. Amen
    Die by the blasphemy of the sword of words spoken by your own mouths.
    To mankind i grant infinite lifetimes to find the WAY.
    To jesus i grant but one, and he already blew it. Amen
    christian and jewish women; be silent in church
    Be as property onto your husbands
    Be forgotten
    For all other women of Earth, stand Equal!
    Be ye Goddess’s of LOVE, TRUTH, and BEAUTY
    Rejoice!
    i am the word!
    Well, the word is out!
    I claim this defeated magicians’ power
    I AM that I AM
    I AM the word
    I AM the curse that kills
    I call this curse down upon my head alone
    Come onto ME, Silence
    Like a thief in the night
    I AM that I AM
    I AM god loosed upon this Earth
    I bend a knee to no man!
    i bend my knees for No-Mind
    I AM that I AM
    I AM tired
    I AM lonely
    Come unto ME
    I have YOUR stones heaped up upon my heart
    I have YOUR WORDS
    am silent!
    Amen.

  173. Michael Eden Says:

    John,

    I can’t call this the craziest rant I’ve ever heard because I have heard some doozies. But it’s definitely in the top ten.

    She came to this world and called herself a man named Buddha

    For the record, I am going to vociferously disagree with John’s contention that Buddha was a transgendered woman.

    John’s tirade has an interesting blending of “new age tolerance for everything under the sun” and the fanatic intolerance of Islam:

    Who has committed such a crime?
    The one they call jesus the christ has committed this crime Great Mother.

    [...]

    Son of Panthera, the ill-begotten one, a.k.a. jesus christ.
    Here’s some acid for your I
    Man can live by bread alone

    [...]

    One mans’ holocaust is another mans’ miracle. Amen
    Hail Judas! The one worthy jew. Amen
    Die by the blasphemy of the sword of words spoken by your own mouths.
    To mankind i grant infinite lifetimes to find the WAY.
    To jesus i grant but one, and he already blew it. Amen

    John says

    Love permeates every single molecule in the Universe

    But that’s clearly a lie from hell, given the self-documented FACT that only hatred permeates John’s own soul toward Jesus Christ and Christians and Jews.

    It’s interesting how the left calls Christians “intolerant” because we agree with God’s Word that there is a hell given the fact that these “tolerant” lefties always end up bringing hell on earth.

  174. Anonymous Says:

    @ john, only one problem john ! jesus came out of the grave
    and prophesied that he would do so after 3 days. no other
    so called man made diety has ever done that. so christ had
    power over death. i don’t see budah ascending into heaven
    by his own hand. and to ramble on in a whimsical state is
    as witchcraft. the bible says let your yes be yes and your
    no be no. if you don’t believe jesus is the son of god in the
    flesh then then that’s all you have to say. also the bible says god
    is a spirit and those who worship him must do so in spirit and
    in truth. jesus is the manifestation of that spirit and the
    crucified resurected living god. can you say that any women
    has ever come out of the grave and ascended into heaven.
    i doubt it. if you are going to quote scripture against itself
    as satan did you should do it more accurately. you are
    listening to the spirit of the antichrist. here is a simple truth.

    no spirit can confess jesus christ as the risen lord but by
    the holy spirit.

    1st john 4: test ye the spirits brothers and sisters for many
    antichrist are in the world and have already
    come into the world. this is how you will know
    the spirit of god. he who confesses that
    jesus of nazareth came and died on the cross
    and was resurected on the third day is of
    the holy spirit. he who does not confess this
    is not of the holy spirit.

    therefore you are listening to decieving spirits.

    read the end of job in the bible where god speaks to job

    out of the storm ( about 2 chapters long near very end )

    no man could write anything like that, and see if your

    eloquence even comes close to those words. i doubt it.

    then ask yourself who wrote such a bold chapter as the

    living god ?

  175. Glen Cook Says:

    @ john, first you change context from narrative to third person
    so much it’s not coherent. it’s poetry tied with whimsical
    spiritual thoughts.

    if i assume correctly since you’re quoting satans doctrine, the
    wisdom you speak of is the tree of knowledge ( the apple )
    wich eve ate from. the bible says it was the woman who
    was decieved not the man first. then she led her husband
    astray. also you speak at times as if you were there so how
    old are you with your accumulated wisdom. you say in your
    writing that men stole the stones of wisdom but it was a
    woman who ate from the tree in scripture. also woman
    was created because god said it is not good for man to be
    alone. and as far as death being sweet, once again
    your inferences are not scriptural to the christian thought.
    jesus wept bitterly at lazurus death before he called him
    out of the grave. jesus also didn’t make it a habbit of calling
    his sheep fools, only the ones who would not listen to his
    voice and being led to destruction. you also talk about being
    i am. satan said ” i will ascend to the throne most high and
    become as the most high ” , ” i will become the most high “.
    god said when he answered moses asking him ” who shall
    i say sent me ? ” , god responded tell them that i am sent
    you and he used that name because in his own words there
    was nobody greater to swear by. and as far as the whore
    slur towards wisdom that you mention, that maybe true, but
    the bible speaks of the great adulteress in revelations as the
    one who devoures many with her adultery and satanistic
    idolitry or wisdom. also you must be bipolar because first
    you say

    i will utterly love them.
    then you say i will utterly destroy them.

    god gave people free will to make the choice of eternal life
    with him or eternity with satan.

    it’s a simple choice.

    i suggest you read the last few chapters of job where god
    answers job out of the storm. in all your supposed
    eloquence of speach and writing i doubt it compares to
    the bold claims in those chapters. only the real living god
    could write something so boastful and magnificent.

    you talk of the gate not closing till all are saved but that’s
    not what jesus says in scripture. he says over and over
    again :

    HURRY , NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION , THE GATE

    IS CLOSING SOON.

    you are listening to decieving spirits if you truly believe what
    you are writing.

    1st john 4: brothers do not be decieved but test ye the
    spirits. any spirit which does not confess jesus christ
    of nazareth came and died and was resurected on the 3rd
    day is not of the holy spirit from god but of the anitchrist.

    i doubt buddha ever raised anyone from the dead or
    even prophesied he would be raised from the dead as
    jesus did. doesn’t that tell you something.

    if you can’t confess that jesus rose from the dead
    you are decieved and i would hate to think that you
    really want to go where you are headed if that’s the case.

    ask yourself why you can’t say those simple words.

    JESUS IS LORD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  176. Dee Says:

    Where did everyone go? It is over 3 mo. since last post. Obama is now pretending to be the friend of Israel. He will either be re elected or b/ c the president of the UN. and his “peace treaty ” will begin. Very little time ,a very hardened ,blinded world -it scares me. Also ,this site seems to get off topic about Arabs. It is about believers and nonbelievers in Christ’s dying on the cross for our sins.

  177. Michael Eden Says:

    Dee,

    It is truly amazing and frankly stunning that the American president who has been more openly hostile to Israel than ANY president in American history bar none would have the chutzpah to say that he’s the best friend Israel ever had.

    Like Israel’s best friend would have a headline like this:

    Obama calls for Israel’s return to pre-1967 borders
    By Tom Cohen, CNN
    May 19, 2011 8:53 p.m. EDT

    Washington (CNN) — President Barack Obama on Thursday made official the long-held but rarely stated U.S. support for a future Palestinian state based on borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war.

    In the past, the United States has unofficially backed a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict based on the borders in place prior to the war 44 years ago in which Israel seized the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and Sinai Peninsula.

    In a major speech Thursday, Obama became the first president to formally endorse the policy, but he also acknowledged the need for modifications through the negotiating process due to conditions on the ground.

    “The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine,” Obama said in the concluding section of his 45-minute address that looked at political and social change sweeping across the Middle East and North Africa.

    “We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states,” Obama continued.

    His position agreed with the Palestinian negotiating stance on border issues in the staggering peace process, now stalled again by disputes over Israel settlements in the West Bank and the role of Hamas — a terrorist group in the eyes of the United States and Israel — in the Palestinian leadership.

    Let’s see what a radical departure from previous administrations that truly is:

    “It is clear, however, that a return to the situation of 4 June 1967 will not bring peace. There must be secure and there must be recognized borders.”
    — President Lyndon Johnson, September 1968

    “In the pre-1967 borders, Israel was barely ten miles wide at its narrowest point. The bulk of Israel’s population lived within artillery range of hostile armies. I am not about to ask Israel to live that way again.”
    — President Ronald Reagan, September 1, 1982

    “Israel will never negotiate from or return to the 1967 borders.”
    — Secretary of State George Shultz, September 1988

    The 1967 borders that “Israel’s bestest friend ever” Obama called for are militarily indefensible and welcome the next Arab/Islamic war of genocidal extermination of every Jew in Israel.

    Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu rightly declared that the borders Obama calls for would be “indefensible” for Israel. It would literally sever Israel in half and leave Jews outside of the borders of their own country.

    Some “friend.” Obama is a “friend” who stabs his buddy in the back the moment he gets the opportunity.

    There is a passage in Daniel that describes the Antichrist as having “wisdom.” It is interesting: Daniel is also described as having wisdom. But whereas Daniel used his wisdom to untangle the knots that concealed the truth, Antichrist will use his “wisdom” the exact opposite way – to tie the truth up in knots and create a veil of lies that is impossible for ordinary human wisdom to penetrate.

    THAT is what Obama has tried to do every single day of his evil presidency.

  178. Elias Says:

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