Obama Community Organizer Record Not Very Praiseworthy

It’s rather fascinating.  In the aftermath of Rudy Guliani’s and Sarah Palin’s remarks about Barack Obama’s time spent as a community organizer, you would think that something genuinely outrageous had happened; such as claiming that Michelle Obama faked her second pregnancy to cover up the fact that her oldest daughter may have actually given birth to a child fathered by her Barack Obama.  That’s what was done to Sarah Palin and her family by the Daily Kos.  The Daily Kos scrubbed the articles from its site after it was revealed that Bristol Palin was pregnant with her own baby – and that she could not possibly have beent he mother of Sarah’s son Trig.

But in the ginned up outrage of the left, the Daily Kos is sending out emails likening Obama as a communuity organizer to Jesus of Nazareth as a community organizer – with Sarah Palin serving the role as the new Pontius Pilate (there goes that “Messiah” thing again); and The Atlantic is labeling remarks about community organizers must be “racist.”

It is almost as though the people who fired a howitzer at Sarah Palin are complaining that she shot a spitwad at them.  And Sarah Palin had the merit of actually speaking the truth.

The reality is that Barack Obama was mostly ineffective as a community organizer, and left the field disillusioned:

In truth, however, if you examine carefully how Obama conducted himself as an organizer and how he has conducted himself as a politician, if you consider what he said about organizing to his fellow organizers, and if you look at the reasons he gave friends and colleagues for abandoning organizing, then a very different picture emerges: that of a disillusioned activist who fashioned his political identity not as an extension of community organizing but as a wholesale rejection of it. Indeed, the most important thing to know about Barack Obama’s time as a community organizer in Chicago may not be what he gained from the experience–but rather why, in late 1987, he decided to quit.

And of course, it should be noticed that Barack Obama personally distorted and trivialized Sarah Palin’s experience and record before she had uttered a word about his.  It is flat-out hypocritical for Barack Obama to argue that the very woman he trivialized be called out for trivializing him.

Michelle Malkin had this to say.  She is without question a conservative and a partisan, but she backs up her opinions with some unattractive facts about both Obama’s own record and about the organization he served as a “community organizer”:

Let me clarify something. Nobody is mocking community organizers in church basements and community centers across the country working to improve their neighbors’ lives. What deserves ridicule is the notion that Barack Obama’s brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan non-profits qualifies as executive experience you can believe in.

What deserves derision is “community organizing” that relies of a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people and shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon.

As I’ve reported previously, Obama’s community organizing days revolved around training grievance-mongers from the far left group ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub “direct actions”); Obama supporters have recounted his role in organizing an ambush of a government planning meeting on a landfill project opposed by Chicago minority lobbies.

With benefactors like Obama in office, ACORN has milked nearly four decades of government subsidies to prop up chapters that promote the welfare state, undermine the free market, and perpetuate illegal immigration and voter fraud. Since I last detailed ACORN’s illicit activities in this column in June (see “The ACORN Obama knows,” June 19, 2008), the group continues to garner scrutiny of law enforcement:

Last week, Milwaukee’s top election official announced plans to seek criminal investigations of 37 ACORN employees accused of offering gifts to sign up voters (including pre-paid gas cards and restaurant cards) or falsifying driver’s license numbers, Social Security numbers or other information on voter registration cards.

Last month, a New Mexico TV station reported on child rapists, drug offenders, and forgery convicts on ACORN’s payroll. In July, Pennsylvania investigators asked the public for help in locating a fugitive named Luis R. Torres-Serrano, who is accused “of submitting more than 100 fraudulent voter registration forms he collected on behalf of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now to county election officials.” Also in July, a massive, nearly-$1 million embezzlement scheme by top ACORN officials was exposed.

ACORN’s political arm endorsed Obama in February and has ramped up efforts to sign up voters across the country. In the meantime, completely ignored by the mainstream commentariat and clean-election crusaders, the Obama campaign admitted failing to report $800,000 in campaign payments to ACORN. They were disguised as payments to a front group called “Citizen Services, Inc.” for “advance work.”

Jim Terry, an official from the Consumer Rights League, a watchdog group that monitors ACORN, noted: “ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain. Now it looks like ACORN is using the same type of convoluted accounting scheme for Obama’s political gain.” With a wave of his magic wand, Obama changed his FEC forms to change the “advance work” to “get-out-the-vote” work.

Now, don’t you dare challenge his commitment to following tax and election laws. And don’t you even think of entertaining the possibility that The One exploited a non-profit supposedly focused on helping low-income people for political gain.

He was just “organizing” his “community.” Guffaw.

The fact is that ACORN, the organization that Obama served as a community organizer, is a dreadful organization with a history of voter fraud, of corruption, and of benefiting from the very sort of special interests funding that John McCain has vowed to end.

The thing that most bothered me about Barack Obama’s record as a community organizer is documented in my article, “Obama: From ACORN Organizer To Audacious Hypocrite.”   Barack Obama as a “community organizer” used every tactic to secure even fraudulent votes; then as a candidate he ruthlessly purged the signatures that would have put Alice Palmer – the serving official and a woman who would have destroyed him in a fair election – on the ballot.

Pardon me for not singing the praises of Obama’s organizer days.

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23 Responses to “Obama Community Organizer Record Not Very Praiseworthy”

  1. Rachel Says:

    Wow. What an ignorant person you are. Its interesing how the sexism card is ok to play but once race is mentioned (which it rarely is) people get on the defense. However you slice it, there is racism, because people do not want the Black candidate to talk about his struggles to get to the where he is while experiencing the ridicule, the hate, the slander, (which he still gets to this day) being a Black man. (If you can’t admit that, then tell me why he gets questioned constantly about his father from Kenya. Since when are we questioned about where our relatives come from anyway? It is since one tried to take a powerful position, something that has always been inherited by a clean cut white man. We don’t question McCain’s Irish roots and assume that he drinks in Pubs and fights all day do we?) It is ok though for Palin to talk all day about her struggles being a woman and how she got through it. Why is that different? It is because people can’t live with the fact that there is still racial bigotry all around.
    How dare you act as if your precious life is worth more than someone who is homeless or lives in the ghetto. You are not God, and do not diserve to judge the worth of another human being. Your very statements are the exact reason why I will never vote republican. You live in a shell that protects you from real people who have real problems.
    To set the record straight, Barack Obama was not in Community Organizing to gain praise for his presidential campaign. It was a humble job, not great pay, from someone who was passionate about uniting people. Not just middle class, or the elite, but everyone. All of God’s children. His experience with the community is something that, no matter how much republicans try, can never be taken away from him. He has a knowledge of the streets and of the people of struggling communities than any politician can ever imagine. That is why they put it down so much. They can’t fathom why a job like that would be worth anything. But why would they when they dont think the people in it are worth anything? Thats not “Country First”. In order to put your country first, the people in it have to have some place in your heart. Get over your fears of minorities succeeding, and embrace real equality. We still dont have it. We’re not even close.

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    Thankfully, I don’t run into hypocrites like you just every day – and when I do, it is almost always on line. You are so incredibly judgmental, and you have the gall for claiming that I’m judgmental.

    You fly off the handle (take it as sexist if you want, but that is what you do) about my being a racist. And I don’t even MENTION Obama is black. YOU are the one who is consumed by race, you racist!!! You fixate on Obama’s race more in one paragraph than I do in ten articles!!!

    Then you go ballistic over attacks about Obama being from Kenya. YOU PSYCHO!!! Again, I don’t even mention Kenya OR Obama’s family. What is your mental malfunction?

    I quit reading your crap after I realized that you are in a different – and profoundly warped – reality.

    The fact that Republicans turned out to be thrilled with women succeeding has you dangerously warped liberal minds unhinged. Newsflash, whackjob – we’d be just as exited if a black conservative emerged.

    YOU are the racist, AND the sexist; because you won’t even allow a woman to be viewed as a woman, or a black as a black, unless they think the same hateful nonsense as you. I got news for you, loser: Sarah Palin is a woman, and Clarence Thomas is a black man – and people like you fight tooth and nail to destroy them both.

    So don’t vote Republican. Decent people vote Republican, and you simply fail to qualify.

  3. Rachel Says:


    What about your statements classify you as a decent human being. How am I a racist for bringing up real problems that minorities face on a daily basis? There is nothing about my remarks which would suggest otherwise, and what I see is a person that does not know how to respond; therefore he resorts to name calling (hmm… the apple doesnt fall far from the republican tree).
    I am not a racist, but just someone who has listened to these remarks of bigotry, hate, fear and put downs of good people for too long. Your words sound like they come straight from Bill O’reilly who suggests that the mistreatment of minorities is just a tactic to gain sympathy, when it is the real feelings of people who are hurting. People like you will never know what real racism feels like because you abuse the word and excuse it as if it doesn’t exist anymore. Well, since this campaign started, we see that racism is still here. You will never suffer from it either because you got the better half of the stick.
    As far as Palin goes, the republicans had no problem grilling into Hillary. No one expected her to say “Woe is me” “Protect me”. I am not a sexist. As far as I’m concerned, I would never use my being a woman as a reason for people to go easy on me. And I, as a white woman, have it 100 times easier than any black person. Trust me, I’m married to one. There was nothing racist or sexist about my comment. You were just insulted because you didnt realize your own ignorance. I can sense this because of how defensive you are. But a suggestion, name calling is not a mature or intelligent way to conduct an argument. You may need to work on that.

  4. Michael Eden Says:

    It is racist to claim that other people are racists when they aren’t. It is racist to deliberately drag claims of race, racism, and claiming someone is attacking Obama for his Kenyan family using an article that NOWHERE mentions any of it. That was offensive, unfair, insulting, wrong, and racist.

    My God woman. You say: “what I see is a person that does not know how to respond; therefore he resorts to name calling.”

    Let me refresh your clearly very poor memory as to how you BEGAN your first post: “Wow. What an ignorant person you are.” You BEGIN by attacking me; so how DARE you get hoity toity about anything I say in response. And how DARE you try to present yourself as being above name-calling.

    The thing that ticks me off about you and others exactly like you is what blatant hypocrites you continually prove yourselves to be. You are absolutely vicious, and then you whine if someone calls you a name.

    You say: “I am not a racist, but just someone who has listened to these remarks of bigotry, hate, fear and put downs of good people for too long.” Where were you when blacks like Condileeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, and Colin Powell (and for that matter Bill Cosby) were being torn apart as Uncle Toms/Aunt Jemimahs and worse: “race traitors”?

    Obama vindictively predicted that McCain would use race against him, even though he never has, which itself is racist. Who used race as a weapon? Ask Bill Clinton: “they [Obama camp] played the race card on me.”

    Now here you are, doing the same thing to me. I don’t even mention the words or concepts of “race,” “racism,” “Kenya,” or anything like it in my article. But you go and drag it in in a frankly vindictive manner. HOW DARE YOU!

    Conservatives like myself follow the words of Martin Luther King, Jr. We judge people by the content of their character, rather than the content of their skin. If only liberals possessed the moral wiring to do the same.

    You show me where Republicans attacked Hillary Clinton as a bad mother, which liberals have been doing to Palin. You show me. Nor did we ever attack her for being a working mother. For that matter, we never attacked Michelle Obama for being a working mother. Democrats viciously attacked Sarah Palin on both fronts. And it was frankly immoral, by Democrats’ own standards.

    Conservatives – including men by an even greater margin than women – are thrilled with a woman we hope will one day be our President. But people like you continue to try to claim that we are anti-woman.

    Your ending may as well be the statement: “I am a disingenuous hypocrite, who labels and name-calls, but gets indignant and offended if anyone does it to me.” Maybe you should work on that.

  5. Rachel Says:

    Just to set the record straight, you did attack Michelle Obama on several occasions. She is a woman. We cannot ignore that she is a black woman who lives in America just as white women lived in America. The only thing is, America was not nearly as kind to her being a black woman. People don’t think about this because they brush it off as if everything is fine and that everyone is equal. That is just not so. I have absolutely nothing against Sarah Palin. From what I know, she seems like a very down to Earth human being. What I dont like about the way this is going, is that she is protected by a shield. Excuses are constantly made for her because of the fact that she is a woman. People don’t treat her like a politician, and when critizisms come her way, the sexism card is played EVERY SINGLE TIME. She does not endure half of the what any other politician receives, because if she did, the democrats would be accused of being insensitive. This is such a double standard. We can’t say a person is ready to take on the most powerful job in the world, but then say to “give her a break, she’s new at this”. I believe it is completely unfair to knock her for any of the family issue, but we can’t make it a habit, and thats exactly what we have done. Some people say that Gibson was too hard on her, and I could not believe my ears. He was coaching her through that whole interview. If she couldnt handle an interview like that, imagin if Bill O’reilly was not on her side. She would have been murdered during if she was in Obama’s shoes. Not only that, the republicans would have cried out sexism.
    As far as the rest of your comment goes, I don’t feel you have to mention race to come across as a bigot, because most people that are bigots, dont even know they are. I used to have a lot of bigot’s views. I had an attitude just like you. I only saw one side of the fence, but since I was doing ok where I was at, I had no reason to try to educate myself on the other. I was “ignorant”. I apologize for calling you that in the manner that I did, but I stand by the characteristic that you may not fully understand what the beneficiaries of community organizing are going through. I didnt either until I fell in love and married a person who grew up living that sort of life.
    People knock community organizing so often as if it is a pointless position; however, if you look at the demographics of those communities in which Obama worked in, they were predominantly black. It is very often that communities like this get overlooked for reform and cleaning up because they are not places that anyone would most likely go. It is places like this; however that the most reform is necessary. It may be a coincidence that this job is laughable as compared to the number of minorities in the areas he worked, but it is heartbreaking that we would have to make political and create scandal even in programs which help, or at least try to help poor and hopeless people become a little more optimistic about their devistating situation. These are actions that records will most likely not show, and that will most likely not help him get elected, but I think should be considered as humble, and as country first as can possibly get. You can’t claim country first, unless all of the people in it come first as well.
    Again, I apologize for my insensitivity to you and your position; but lets both try to be open minded and see the other side. Thank you for your article and your debate. Hopefully we can keep it friendly from now on.

  6. Michael Eden Says:

    I will back off my earlier harsh rhetoric because your last comment merits my consideration.

    Please understand that when it comes to community organizing, most conservatives wouldn’t have “attacked it” had Obama not trivialized Palin’s experience as a mayor. it was a quid pro quo. As for my post, I am attacking ACORN (which has the worst voter fraud record of any outfit in the nation), and Obama’s hypocrisy for “defending” voters when it suited him, and then attacked voters when it suited him.

    A lot of community organization is good. It doesn’t prepare one politically as much as being a mayor would, but it is good. But one can organize for BAD/NEGATIVE purposes just as one can organize for good.

    Further, “being a community organizer” and “being black” are two different things. There are a great many whites who fall under the category of community organization, and a great many Asians, and Hispanics, etc. It is simply fallacious to claim that attacking community organization is tantamount to attacking ANY racial group.

    When it comes to Michelle Obama, I have personally attacked several of her public statements. That’s fair game, and it will be fair game with Sarah. But who has attacked her as a mother? Who has said that she was a terrible woman because she worked while being a mother, etc? I’ve never seen anything like that. But that’s what’s been done to Palin. The Daily Kos ran articles claiming that Trig (the baby with Down) was not really Sarah’s child, but Bristol’s – and claimed that Sarah was going to the extreme of faking a pregancy because her husband Todd was the father of Bristol’s child by incest. Where has Michelle experienced that kind of hate?

    My standard – and the standard of most conservatives – is character over skin color. It is, “The best candidate for the job” and NOT “You must hire X% black workers or be labeled racist.” Martin Luther King Jr.s’ dream was the chance to be treated equally, NOT racial preferences.

    Further, conservatives truly admire people who organize their comminities to take care of one another and help one another. But we oppose treating big government as Savior and demanding the socialistic redistribution of wealth.

    Just to throw it out there, statistics demonstrate that conservatives are a full third more generous than liberals in giving. We’re not bad people. We’re not racists. We want to help – we just don’t want supermassive federal government bureacuracy – which hurts far more than it helps – being the Savior.

    I appreciate your sentiments in your last paragraph, and hope I responded in kind. I have to do some mud-wrestling as a conservative blogger, and whenever someone attacks either me or my views, I will respond with my own attacks in kind. But I want the same thing you want – rational and friendly vs. rhetorical and angry.

  7. Rachel Says:

    Personally, I believe that generosity goes further than how much money you pull out of your pocket and give away. I do not have ill feelings for all conservatives, nor do I love all liberals. I actually consider myself neither.
    Wordnet.princeton.edu defines generosity as “the trait of being willing to give your money and your time.” In the cases of fact, after leaving Columbia University Barack Obama was hired as a Community Organizer (not something you think would prepare you to lead a country) and worked for $12,000 a year. His book Dreams from My Father describes in his words his motivations for taking on such a position in the community. He admits in his book that he used to be one of those who called people “Uncle Tom”, and expressed much racial hostility. It was the correction of one woman in college who gave him his greatest conviction, and reminded him of who he was, and that he needed to use his uniqueness to bring people together. According to his own words, (and they have to count for something) his life, the struggles of his grandparents, his mother, his experience living in Indonesia (where they had to go to the bathroom in a hole in the ground) living without a father; and finally the death of his father would lead to the enthusiasm to inspire and give (not just money but time and love) to people who have had similar, if not much tougher experiences. You question in your article why Barack Obama quit community organizing after 3 years, but that answer was clear. He attended Harvard in 1988, where he became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. Your statement of him quitting is a little misleading because you make it seem as if he quit because he disliked the job. In fact, after Harvard, he continued with Public Service. He devoted his career to public service. I am not saying that he is completely blameless in all of his decisions and actions; however, his record shows that his message never changed. We know that he spent 12 years teaching constitutional law, served as a civil rights attorney for approximately 7 years, and then returned to organizations in the community. What you have done is focus on ACORN, which is understandable because it is the largest community organization. Having this characteristic, it makes sense that it’s politics would be put under a microscope. The main thing that bothers me about this is that it is so easy to take something good and make it bad. When it comes to money and politics, we are NEVER going to have a (like I said before) blameless record. But what about the good that has come out of it?? We know that ACORN raised the minimum wage in several states, helped millions of low income and minority citizens register to vote, and many others. But this is not the only organization Obama was affiliated with. We have Public Allies, Woods Fund of Chicago, The Joyce Foundation, Chicago Annenburg Challenge, who’s motive is to improve school performance, and many others (all of which I’m sure will also be dissected). There is a record here that we aren’t seeing. It goes hand in hand with his message, and as much as we try, we do not see a contradiction to that.
    All of this happened before 1997 when Obama became a State Legislature. We tend to forget that Obama spent 12 years as a Senator of Illinois and brush off that experience as if it never happened, or as if it is less experience than a small town mayor. Where Obama has Governor Palin beat is in Education (she has a Bachelor’s Degree in Journalism), knowledge on foreign affairs, knowledge of large urban area needs, knowledge of constitutional law, willingness to conduct challenging interviews, ability to stay on the issues , resilience from attacks etc. They are both strong in drawing large crowds, in relating to people and their struggles, and their willingness to discuss their faith. I have truthfully been unable to find any strengths in Sarah Palin outside of the fact that she is a “pitbull”. What makes her a pitbull? What we have done with that name is to describe her as a tough WOMAN. My mother was a “hockey mom” and she was described with similar terms. What made her a “pitbull” or a “tiger” was the fact that she was constantly yelling at the referee, arguing with opposing parents, and many times embarrassing me in front of my friends. I think the way the conservatives are trying to describe it is that she is able to “hang with the men” “the big boys”. For a woman, “yes she may very well be a pitbull” but I have not seen anything proving that yet except for some pretty negative accusations that she laughed at one of her nemesis who had cancer and was called a b****, that she fired someone for personal reasons (which is not proven), and that she stood up to congress on the “Bridge to Nowhere” (which may have been a lie). Hillary Clinton was a real pitbull for the fact that I think most of us forgot that she was even a woman. We definitely did not treat her like one. She was “one of the guys”. But she was willing to be challenged to earn that title. Sarah Palin has the burden to prove this title by stepping up to the plate.

    Wow, I know I went off topic, but I wanted to point out my view on experience and what is important to me personally. I believe that time is as precious as money and Obama has devoted a lot more time (and money if you count the cut in pay) to the people of the urban community than any conservative running for office. It is laughable to conservatives because it is beneath anything that they would consider doing (which is what it seemed like to me). I have to admit, I am inspired, not by the celebrity, but by the humility of such a job. It is significant experience, especially for his message which is “We have to fix things from the bottom up”. You need an inspiring leader to make that work, and he is fully capable.

  8. Michael Eden Says:

    A few thoughts:

    I just wrote an article today on personal generosity. Barack Obama – during years that he was in the top 3% income bracket in the nation – actually gave LESS than the average American. Meanwhile Dick Cheney donated something like 78% of his income to charity. And John McCain gave well over a fourth of his income to charity. And the statistics show that conservatives are over 30% more generous with their money even though they earn 6% less than liberals. And they are more generous with their time and even their blood. So I’m very willing to have a discussion about conservatives and generosity.

    You need to understand that I am writing as a partisan, and not as a journalist. There are a lot of liberals (and unfortunately too many journalists) who are only presenting the glossy leftist view of Obama. I’m presenting the other side. And while I always want to be accurate in what I’m presenting (I would never knowingly present something that is untrue), I am showing light on areas Obama and the left doesn’t want people to see. You have to know that libs are doing the same thing with McCain-Palin.

    Obama in his own words says he quit organizing in frustration, and wondered if he was doing any real good. Others have reported Obama sharing his frustration. I’m not mischaracterizing that. And I focus on ACORN because that’s the organization he worked for – including as a lawyer when he got out of Harvard. He fought to keep every name on the voter rolls – even suing to do so – until he became a candidate who sued to keep every name off the voter rolls. It’s simply true that he did that.

    And you are right. He did work with other organizations – like the Woods foundation, where terrorist bomber William Ayers helped him in his political career. it is frankly troubling to me how at home Obama is with radicals.

    Let me end with this: there is no question that Obama wanted to get involved and serve a particular class of people, when he very probably could have started out with a higher paying job. But that doesn’t in itself make him noble. There is an ancient saying that comes to mind: “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” Let me provide an analogy:

    Osama bin Laden was the son of wealth. He could have lived a very easy life. Instead, he went to Afghanistan to help defeat the Soviet occupation, and then became a terrorist responsible for all kinds of deaths in what he believed a good cause. He suffered and risked his life for years in this endeavor. Since masterminding 9/11, this man who could have had the finest and best has lived in a damp cold cave for much of the years since.
    He is a man of real virtue – in that his feelings, his beliefs, and his actions all line up – but it is a virtue of evil.

    I’m not trying to say that Obama is Osama, or anything so trite. What I’m saying is that you can’t just say, “He was a community organizer, and therefore he must be a good person.” It doesn’t follow. If you want to make the argument that someone who suffered for his country is best qualified to be President, vote for the guy who spent 5 1/2 years being tortured – and then forgave his torturers. A guy who could have gone home – as an admiral’s son – but chose to embrace a code of honor that kept him in Hanoi – under even WORSE torture than before – for another 3 years. See what I mean?

    So as a conservative, I evaluate the things that Obama has worked for, and I find them negative things. Whether he sincerely believes them, whether he’s labored for them, even whether he’s suffered for them, doesn’t matter to me as much as the ideas themselves.

    Let me just finish by pointing out that Sarah Palin didn’t get handed anything. She entered beauty pageants because she needed money for school. She is the FIRST woman governor in Alaska’s history. Alaska is MORE of a “man’s man’s” place than ANYWHERE. She came in and confronted corruption in her own party, and fought the oil companies. She issued the biggest line-item veto in the states history. She is tough. She is really and truly tough. And she has far more meaningful executive experience than Obama has. She’s not some symbol; she’s the real deal.

  9. Michael Eden Says:

    As for the “she fired someone for personal reasons” thing, that trooper is still there. This trooper is a guy who tazed Sarah’s nephew (by his own admission), illegally shot a moose (by his own admission), was discovered drinking alcohol in his squad car, and who threatened the life of Sarah’s father while Sarah listened in on the call to her sister.

    I wouldn’t blame her for wanting him fired. I would blame the person who DIDN’T want him fired.

    The guy she fired was the police commissioner. The emails that Palin released document that this commissioner – who serves under Palin and at her discretion – was routinely going around her, was trying to get funds appropriated that she had dismissed, repeatedly had meetings behind her back, and was trying to work around her in direct disregard for her authority.

    And if you don’t know all that stuff, Rachel, is proof that the world needs people like me, who document and describe things that the media deliberately overlook.

    Just sayin’.

  10. Rachel Says:

    Well, it is clear to me that you really do like and respect the people running on the GOP ticket. There does seem to be a problem here and that is that we both spend a significant time talking about Barack Obama. We seem to know all about him, what he has done, the good and the bad. We have analyzed him to the bone. McCain has run a campaign based on fear, has demonized his opponent and manipulated millions of voters. I have seen no evidence of nobility in his actions, but only dirty, grimy and downright evil attacks, that the obama campaign has been pressured to defend. They had no choice but to fight back, and as far as Sarah Palin is concerned, she had no problem throwing the first punch.
    Now, I see by your views that you know what you are voting against, but do you know what you are voting for?? You seem like a man who does his homework, so I knonw that it is not all the “POW” stuff. (Google the article entitled “Why I will not vote for John McCain” by a man named Butler. He sees things a little differently about that situation).
    I never mentioned Wooten when I discussed the firing by Palin, and I said that there was nothing proven yet. But it is just rediculous to try to convince anyone that she is ready whether or not she is a woman or not. There are too many lies right now, too much hidden information, and too many people blinded by the woman factor. I’m sorry but I dont believe for a minute that she was chosen because she was the best person, but for strategy purposes alone. And it was smart. But come on. Let us see the pit bull she claimed to be. Prove to us that she is more than just the woman on the ticket. All that has been proven to me is that it doesnt take much to snag a woman voter. That in itself is sexist as well. The more the campaign tries to make up false reasons for choosing her, the more they come across as untruthful. She may very well be the winning choice, but she is not the right choice.

  11. Rachel Says:

    Conservatives tend to give their money to charities of their choice yes. But what charities are those and what good are they doing to those people who dont belong to a charitable organization and are just poor and living in the ghetto.
    I have heard too many conservatives say that they would rather give money to a charity than to a homeless person because at least they will know where it is going. That is not a generous attitude but one to where they can come back and prove that their generosity. One thing that is funny is that it is the conservatives who are the most “Christian”; however, the bible says to “give in secret”. It doesnt say to give, keep record, and receive tax write-offs for all that you have done. The fact that every single act of kindness is recorded suggest to me their motives were somewhat selfish.
    I have been trying my hardest to press the giving of time, and it’s importance to giving money. Anyone can pull a dollar out of their pocket, but who will actually roll up their sleeves and get dirty.

  12. Michael Eden Says:

    I know this: politics is always a tough business. And attacks fly from both sides, just like in war.

    What I can’t stand is when one side engages in all the attacks, but cries and whines about taking fire.

    Barack Obama – personally, and not through surrogates – has attacked John McCain in the most deceptive ways. He deliberately distorted McCain’s “100 years in Iraq” remark. That is simply a fact. And McCain wasn’t doing ANYTHING “dirty” to him at that time. Obama has recently lied/distorted the “seven houses” thing (John McCain doesn’t own ANY homes, and was merely trying to deflect a complicated and personal issue of his wife). Not his houses. There’s a prenup. They were his wife’s houses. Didn’t matter. Lie. Attack. Portray McCain as too old and too rich and too out of touch to remember how many houses he owns.

    Obama distorted McCain’s “$5 million” quip at Saddleback when McCain SAID it was a joke and SAID people would distort it. And Obama DID distort it. Obama just viciously misrepresented John McCain as saying Social Security was a “disgrace,” when McCain did no such thing. McCain said the abuses to the SS system were a disgrace.

    And just yesterday Obama misrepresented the words of Carla Fiorina who said that McCain doesn’t have the experience to be a CEO. What she said was that NONE of the candidates for presidents have the lifetime experience in business to be a CEO.

    It’s just word games, over and over and over again. The “economy being fundamentally strong” is just another example of taking one phrase out of context, misrepresenting that context, and lying about a caricature.

    That’s politics. By itself, I can live with that.

    What I can’t live with is a man who has repeatedly smeared and misrepresented and distorted McCain who then loudly and angrily cries and whines and moans about how HE was attacked. That is what is dishonorable; that is what is a disgrace. Barack Obama is a hypocrite by his own – and anybody’s – standard. I don’t see John McCain going on a national whining tour about Obama’s crap. He tries to correct the record and move on.

    If you don’t think Palin is qualified, then vote for John McCain – because unlike Barack Obama – who is less qualified than Palin – McCain is on the top of the ticket. And I would MUCH prefer an inexperienced VP than a MORE INEXPERIENCED President.

    I wrote an open letter asking McCain to name a woman, and suggested Sarah Palin as his first choice. Given that Obama spurned a woman who had MORE votes than he did, it was a perfect time to name a woman. The fact that Obama exercised HORRIBLE judgment by passing Clinton over isn’t McCain’s fault – it’s entirely Obama’s. McCain’s choice of this incredible Sarah Palin just drove that stupid move home.

  13. Michael Eden Says:

    I missed your above comment.

    Going back to the last thing – about McCain being so negative. A university just published a study that found 77% of Obama ads being negative, vs. only 56% of McCain ads being negative.

    To your previous comment: you are miscasting conservatives’ motives. I used to give to “homeless people.” They would tell me they needed food, and I would give them money. But they were lying to me. Several times I SAW them buy booze instead of food.

    The last time was the last straw. A skinny old guy at a shopping center said he had cancer, and needed food. I gave him money. He then started to walk AWAY from the grocery store he had been in front of TOWARD the liquor store. I said, “Sir, the grocery store is this way,” and the old guy I’d shown kindness to flipped me off. I’ve never given to a homeless guy since.

    It AINT about “documenting for tax” purposes; it’s about accountability. I am not going to give someone who is likely an addict money they will use to destroy themselves. They are not in control of their lives. I will give money to organizations that will be accountable in taking care of their needs, and treating and NOT FEEDING their addictions.

    And do I need to remind you that Bill Clinton donated and then wrote off used underwear and socks, and was wont to do such things as give a torn suit to charity and take a $75 deduction? And do I need to point out that both Barack Obama and Joe Biden are terribly ungenerous givers even by the “corrupted” standard you cite?

    Conservatives are FAR more generous than liberals. That is a documented fact. To literally attempt to turn their generosity against them and say they’re only doing it for bad motives is really pretty low, when you think about it. Don’t you agree?

  14. Rachel Says:

    I really don’t agree (with your last paragraph). The reason being is that from the beginning of our discussion, your motive was to turn someones generosity into selfishness. You have done all you can to take any kindness that may have come from the man’s heart and drag it through the mud. This is what has happened the entire time.
    I’m sorry but McCain victimizing himself does not make him a victim. The most the man has endured in this race is what? That he’s out of touch? Is that really an attack on someone’s character? No, and McCain has said that about his opponent as well but more towards a lack of experience. No difference there. McCain did not just once say “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” but twenty-two times. Obama did not have to bring that one to anyone’s attention. They just had to hear McCain speak. Nothing was taken out of context, no words were put in his mouth. He just said “The fundamentals of our economy are strong” the most he can say is that he misspoke——-22 times. Speaking of taking out of context- Suggesting that “lipstick on a pig” meant Sarah Palin, that is not only an out of context assumption, but that is an example of victimization. As far as being unable to run Hewlett-Packard, the republicans did that on their own. They didnt need the Democrats to dig that hole. The media jumped all over that one, which isn’t the fault of the democrats. We just need to make sure we dont let people speak for us who have their feet in their mouths.
    The republicans have done a great job at demonizing Obama to make him out to be the political villian, but even people in his own party thought he wasnt being aggressive enough. No matter the source of the media, Obama was thought of as a softie, and analysts said he needs to step it up and defend the attacks if he wants to win. The attacks McCain endured come nowhere close to the what Obama had to put up with. Outside of the fact that his race was the “elephant in the room”, there were the Muslim rumors which are disrespectful, the pledge of allegience (and any other cheap ploy to make him seem unpatriotic), his relationship with Jesus Christ, his role as a father, his wife’s patriotism, I mean the list goes on and on, and McCain wants to complain because of his houses. (Which I mean, regardless of if there is a pre-nup or not, they are married now, they are in a union now and share their assets do they not? That does not really take away from the amount of homes he has, but I dont think that is here nor there). McCain needs to get out of the kitchen if he cant take the heat (cliche I know :) It was pretty pathetic that because Campbell Brown questioned a political analyst on the experience of Palin that McCain would cancel an interview. Bill O’Reilly slams Obama every night, and Obama still went on his show. It was actually quite entertaining, but it shows confidence on his part. Where was McCain’s confidence?? Why couldn’t he just brush it off? I actually think it was strategy for victimization, and it worked.
    I am still truly curious what it is that you like about John McCain other than the fact that he is an innocent victim. You have pretty much admitted to me that Palin was chosen because she was a woman, when earlier in your comments it had nothing to do with it. She was chosen, as I said before completely for strategy and to snag women voters, because the “history making factor” was too strong to beat. I am glad Obama did not choose Hillary, not because I dont like her, but because they do not work well together and have fought an ugly battle. The only reason to choose her would be strategy for victory, but what about after election day when the celebrating is over. This is how I see the republican ticket. We are already seeing that the two disagree on a lot of issues, and the intelligent women in America aren’t falling for it. This is one reason why the National Organization of Women and 2 other women’s organizations have endorsed Obama.
    I will end with giving. Don’t give what is not in your heart. Usually when I give, I dont talk about it. I dont add it to my record. I just give and thank God that I was able to help somebody. Now it is obvious that the conservatives consider themselves the more religious of the two parties, due to the fact that they referred to liberals as “secular”. Having said that, I do think that true evangelicals will not be fooled by their so-called generosity. I believe that someone who is truly generous (and this has nothing to do with political parties) is someone who gives cheerfully, in secret, and with all they can. The bible says that “if someone asks you for your cloak, give them your tunic as well”. If someone asks me for a dollar, I will never question what they will buy. The fact that they have asked for it at all suggests they need it much more than I do. If you have had issues with them lying (which I know many do), take them into the store and buy them something to eat. This is why you can’t measure someones generosity or goodness from a statistic. If that were so, statistics would not be on my side. I don’t always conduct myself in a perfect manner (and you know that :) as much as I try and forget. And if someone considers themselves non-“secular” they should know that God’s reward is waiting for them, and they never judge someone else’s giving heart. For most people, politics takes presidence over a real relationship with God.

  15. Michael Eden Says:

    You are extremely guilty of doing the very thing you accuse me of. You say, “You have done all you can to take any kindness that may have come from the man’s heart and drag it through the mud.” But that is precisely what you’ve been doing to conservatives – whom I add are documented to give 30% more despite having income of 6% less. You’ve slandered their motives, even as you accuse me of slandering motives.

    And in the article we are commenting on, I document things that Obama DID, that are disturbing. You never addressed the substance of what I was claiming in my article, to my knowledge.

    And frankly, the thing that I admire about McCain – and dislike intensely about Obama – is that McCain is NOT whining about being treated unfairly. It is Obama, in speech after speech, stump upon stump, and ad upon ad doing that.

    The fundamentals of our economy ARE strong. The employment rate – for all the problems this country has had (a Clinton recession that Bush took over; the 9/11 attack; the resulting travel industry slump; Hurricane Katrina, and now this -) – is right at being the same as Clinton’s unemployment rate. We have never had a negative quarter in the last couple years, and the last growth was 3.3%.

    And do you not know HOW depressions are caused? By panic? When Obama claims that this economy is the worst since the Great Depression (which is a ridiculously stupid lie) how is he not creating the kind of fear and uncertainty that we least need right now? Sorry, but McCain is acting a LOT more presidential than Obama. One is trying to instill confidence; the other is trying to instill fear.

    I’ll say one more thing, and then I have to move on to a lot of other comments. I NEVER denied that Sarah Palin wasn’t chosen because she is a woman, EVER. Like I said above, I wrote a letter urging McCain to name a woman – and you can read it (Dear John (McCain) Letter: Name a Woman. What I have never – and will never – say is that that was the ONLY reason. She is a highly qualified leader in her own right. She had the highest approval rating of any governor in the country. She’s the real deal – and she’s if anything more qualified to lead than the person you are voting for. And she’s a VP; Obama would take over.

    Btw, conservatives don’t just “consider” themselves more religious; they ARE more religious. By every major study that has ever been done on the subject, and by every measure that has ever been considered.

  16. Rachel Says:


    You still haven’t answered my question. Why do you really want John McCain to win? It is the answer I haven’t heard from anybody. Whenever that question is asked, Barack Obama’s name is all over the answer. We know that when an Obama supporter is asked the same question about their candidate, Barack Obama is all over that answer as well. So, tell me why you want John McCain?
    “My standard – and the standard of most conservatives – is character over skin color. It is, “The best candidate for the job” – There are contradictory statements all over your comments that suggests that is not really true. You pride yourself at being non-biased, but why dont you just come out and say that you do have a bias. We all have one. You know I have one, but I dont try to hide it. You make nothing but hateful and slamming remarks towards Barack Obama all day, maybe mention John McCain a couple of times, but then you make yourself out to be a fair and impartial person. I suggest you refute your statements once in a while so you dont seem like a crazy Obama hater. And, yes I have addressed your article, I have a whole comment based on the artice, but most of the comments I say are overlooked and never brought up again. The man has significant experience to be a leader, but not the kind of leader you are hoping for. Actually, Im not sure what kind of leader you are hoping to have. You are not clear what you want in a leader. I just know what you don’t want.
    Again, I cant stress enough, John McCain is not a victim. He is the spokesperson for fake outrage, and finger pointing. I will Attach my paragraph again incase you didn’t get a good enough look. (The republicans have done a great job at demonizing Obama to make him out to be the political villian, but even people in his own party thought he wasnt being aggressive enough. No matter the source of the media, Obama was thought of as a softie, and analysts said he needs to step it up and defend the attacks if he wants to win. The attacks McCain endured come nowhere close to the what Obama had to put up with. Outside of the fact that his race was the “elephant in the room”, there were the Muslim rumors which are disrespectful, the pledge of allegience (and any other cheap ploy to make him seem unpatriotic), his relationship with Jesus Christ, his role as a father, his wife’s patriotism, I mean the list goes on and on, and McCain wants to complain because of his houses. (Which I mean, regardless of if there is a pre-nup or not, they are married now, they are in a union now and share their assets do they not? That does not really take away from the amount of homes he has, but I dont think that is here nor there). McCain needs to get out of the kitchen if he cant take the heat (cliche I know :) It was pretty pathetic that because Campbell Brown questioned a political analyst on the experience of Palin that McCain would cancel an interview. Bill O’Reilly slams Obama every night, and Obama still went on his show. It was actually quite entertaining, but it shows confidence on his part. Where was McCain’s confidence?? Why couldn’t he just brush it off? I actually think it was strategy for victimization, and it worked.) He will do what ever it takes to get elected, including suddenly caring about the economy, and pretending that his candidacy is about more than just the Iraq war. He said, and I quote “the issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should, but I have Greenspan’s book.” That is why Barack Obama is gaining his momentum back. Since day 1, conservatives have done what ever they can to scare people into voting for McCain. That has been what his campaign is about. Conservatives have been trying scare people by trying to call him a terrorist, a racist, a communist, which are false and unfair. With all of those accusations, where was the whining?? McCain has acted like a big baby. Him victimizing himself just proves it. Even now with the Sex Ed ad, has nothing to do with what McCain can do, it is another way to scare people and it is sick and false.

    Like I said before, I never denied questioning the generosity of conservatives. I have owned up to my errors in wording, but I do think you need to try to see a little more 3 dimensional. I question the generosity of anyone who has to announce everything that they give. In my opinion that is not generosity, thats an alterior motive. And, you cant base all of your belief’s on statistics. A person saying they are a Christian, does not mean they know Christ. That is what a Christian is, someone who has a personal relationship with Christ. That is a relationship that no conservatives or liberals can measure, but it is intimate, full of mistakes, but there is repentence (which I need to do a lot!!!!) It is about putting Him first, even over all of this political stuff. In the Bible it actually speaks against what we are doing right now. Yes we are supposed to be against abortion and homosexuality, but He also speaks against greed, slander, murder of any kind, adultery, and actually tells us that we are to pay taxes and respect authority in the government. That would be all of our candidates. We are also supposed to bless God’s people, The nation of Israel. We are to do as the good sumaritan did, and give more than what is asked from us…. cheerfully. No study you can research will ever be able to measure the hearts of any people to see who is true and who is not. NOBODY- conservatives or democrats are perfect in any of these fields, not even close. I have never seen the conservatives as more Christian. They just seem to be quicker at announcing it. But while trying to prove their faith, they (and everyone is guilty of it, including me) sin against God in the Process. So, any study on the heart and faith of people is a waste of time and money.

  17. Rachel Says:

    Butler- Fellow POW “Why I wont vote for John McCain” (not entire article)

    1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September 1969, the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965, so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POWs for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.

    2) John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately, this was often the case; new POW’s arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was nonexistent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John’s father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW’s suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda.

    3) John was offered, and refused, “early release.” Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to “admit” that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was “lenient and humane.” So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions, and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW’s were released, with the sick and wounded going first.

    4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 660 military POW’s in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled as follows: Medals of Honor – 8, Service Crosses – 42, Silver Stars – 590, Bronze Stars – 958 and Purple Hearts – 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many – not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe. Among the POWs John wasn’t special. He was just one of the guys.

  18. Michael Eden Says:

    The funniest thing about this is the last paragraph. As a conservative, I listen to McCain a lot. I didn’t know that he received the Silver Star. I heard John Kerry mention his Silver Star (which he put himself in for, btw), a number of times. Kerry began travelling around with his “band of brothers,” the 13 swift boat crewmen who would travel with and campaign with him. What gets ignored is that the OTHER 286 swift boat crewmen signed a petition stating that John Kerry was unfit for command. They started the “Swift boat veterans for truth” campaign.

    So Obama has one former POW how turns against all the others and comes out with this trash. One example of a guy who is solidly on McCain’s side is Col. George “Bud” Day, the second most decorated American soldier in military history.

    I guess I have to kind of laugh here: You refused to hear the testimony of 286 of John Kerry’s veterans against him four years ago, and decided only the word of the 13 mattered. And now you decide to listen to the one POW voice against John McCain, and ignore all the other voices who have come out in support.

  19. Michael Eden Says:

    I can answer your question briefly.

    You mention Christianity. I have grown up in churches – quite a few churches – all my life. I don’t know the political world, but I do know the world of churches.

    I can assure you that in every church I have ever attended, had the pastor said ANY of the things that Barack Obama’s pastor said, there would have been a MASSIVE exodus out of that den of hate and, yes, racism. But Barack Obama stayed there for 23 years. It was when I was confronted with that that Barack Obama “inspired me” to begin blogging. So that’s why most of MY stuff is “anti-Obama.” The one thing I know is that my lifetime of actual real world experience in churches condemns Barack Obama for staying in that church.

    John McCain? I wasn’t overly enthused about him until recently. But consider why: I am a conservative – and he was far too moderate. Far too often he went against Republicans and conservatives to work with Democrats. That is a simple fact. Here’s a piece in the news just today:

    Barack Obama says John McCain represents a third Bush term and that he has voted with the president 90 percent of the time.

    But senior research scientist John Lott at the University of Maryland writes in The Philadelphia Inquirer “the 90 percent figure from Congressional Quarterly is nonsensical” and says most of those votes were just procedural. He adds, “Obama might want to be a little careful with these attacks, as the same measure has him voting with Democrats 97 percent of the time.”

    He cites research from the right-leaning American Conservative Union, the liberal Americans for Democratic Action and the non-partisan National Journal. It indicates that from 2001 to 2007, McCain voted to the left of most Republican senators and to the right of most of his Democratic colleagues. Americans for Democratic Action even says McCain voted liberally 24 percent of the time — twice as much as the average Republican.

    John McCain is a man who has reached across the aisle virtually his whole career, and frankly I wanted a genuine conservative. Barack Obama has NEVER reached across the aisle in any kind of a meaningful way whatsoever. McCain is a moderate, and would govern as a moderate; Obama is WAY to the left.

    I leave it to you: you clearly seem to favor the radical leftist, the man who has NEVER reached across the aisle, who has always voted with the liberal establishment, and despise the political moderation that McCain has stood for.

  20. Rachel Says:

    I will be brief as well. I didn’t mention John Kerry at all, nor did I ever say I supported him. You dont like words to be added to your comments, so please give me the same courtesy. If you want to laugh, go ahead. What you say about John Kerry has nothing to do with John McCain. The war hero attempt did not work for John Kerry, and it is not working for McCain either. If McCain would have humbly mentioned his POW experience, I might have had a little more respect for him. But the fact that he, not only exaggerated, but belittled hundreds of other soldiers who suffered as much, if not worse and longer than he did suggests more dishonor than honor.
    As a person who also grew up in church, I will tell you that I will not base my vote or my opinion on someone’s pastor or church. I won’t do it with Barack Obama or Sarah Palin. I was actually pretty upset that people would stoop so low as to research the history of Gov. Palin’s salvation, prayer life, and relationship with Jesus Christ due to the history of someone she knew. We should also not believe that everything a Pastor says or does will always be received if it is in fact against the Bible. We cannot depend solely on what our pastors say anyway, because we should be reading the Bible for ourselves. I know that sometimes my pastors say something I am not completely sure about; therefore I will read my Bible in order for it to make sense. Growing up in a church, Im sure you would not want someone to tie you to anyone in there as if you all think alike; especially with all the scandals with priests. Priests and Pastors are not perfect, and have personal struggles; struggles we may not even know about. I cant stress enough, the church you go to is only a part of your faith. It is your entire relationship with Jesus Christ that matters. That is why you can’t measure the number of Christians. There are many who claim to be who really arent. So, if you want to have a Biblical discussion, (which is what Christianity is based on) bring it on.
    You still seem as if you don’t have a reason to like McCain except for the reason that he is against Obama. That is pretty sad. This far left business is not really what you are afraid of, but the fact that there might be more equality. People like to use the “far left” symbolism everytime they don’t agree with a statement (especially if it is a good ) because then they can come back with “oh what a typical far left statement”. That is the only defense. I am not convinced that you really stand by your candidate, but by the hate you have for his opposer. This is why so many of your words are so transparent. So please, I beg you. Write an article on John McCain. Tell us of all of his qualifications and why he is the best man for the Job. This should be easy for you growing up in Churches. You lift up, you dont tear down.

  21. Michael Eden Says:

    Re: Kerry you didn’t have to mention him; you either didn’t vote, or you voted for Kerry. I can be pretty darned sure about that after all your comments. And I guess I just don’t know; maybe if you’d spent nearly six years in a hellhole, you might think you deserved a chance to talk about it. McCain has spent a LOT less time talking about Vietnam than Kerry did, even though Kerry was only there for 3 months. And he hasn’t been going around campaigning with his “band of POW brothers” either. I look at your complaint as highly selective outrage.

    You went to lengths to cite ONE POW; but you ignore ALL THE OTHER POWS who support McCain and respect him. There’s something really wrong with that.

    I mentioned that John McCain is a proven moderate, and Obama a proven liberal on the far left side of his party (THE most liberal, in fact). I’ll take your silence on that as an acknowledgment that you don’t want a moderate who will reach across the aisle; you want a far leftist radical.

    Obama being “far left” isn’t just a statement: it is a documented fact.
    http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/ And it is also a documented fact that he voted with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid 97% of the time. Obama has repeatedly tried to saddle McCain as voting with Bush; well, Obama votes with the Congress that gets a 9% approval rating
    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/democrat-controlled-congress-back-to-9-approval-rating/ fully 97% of the time.

    I DO look at peoples’ religious views. If religion is important (and it is THE most important thing to billions of people), then what one claims to believe as fundamental human truths matters. Liberation theology came out of Marxist Catholics who were trying to justify the Sandinistas in Nicaragua to a country that was over 90% Catholic. It has been condemned as a heresy of the Catholic Church by its last two popes. It is a terrible theology. I wrote about it:

    If your pastor says something terrible, you have a moral obligation to leave that church. You don’t just sit there! Rolling Stone (a way to the left lib publication) said, “This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from.” Obama himself writes in Dreams of My Father that Jeremiah Wright warned him of Trinity’s extreme radicalism. Obama said Wright was “my spiritual mentor” and called him an “uncle.” 23 years!

    My pastor has never said ANY of the kinds of things that Jeremiah Wright said. And if he had, I would have walked out. He is responsible for that.

    And, if you are a Christian who reads her Bible, then justify Obama’s 100% NARAL rating. Justify his voting against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. Go to the Bible and explain to me what “You have been my God from my mother’s womb” (Psalm 22:10) means. Explain to me what “For Thou didst form my inward parts; Thou didst weave me in my mother’s womb” (Psalm 139:13) means. Explain to me what, “For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine or liquor; and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, while yet in his mother’s womb” (Luke 1:15) means. Explain to me why that Spirit-filled baby John the Baptist leaped in his mother’s womb when Jesus – also in the womb – was near. Explain to me what “But when He who had set me apart, even from my mother’s womb, and called me through His grace, was pleased” (Galatians 1:15) means.

    Gianna Jesson survived an abortion, and would have been killed had the abortion doctor still been present that day. She would have been killed if Barack Obama had had his way.

    So you go ahead, and open up your Bible, and you explain why you are voting for Barack Obama. You explain why you are voting for Joe Biden, when 55 bishops excoriated him for his theological stand on abortion.

    If you don’t deal with each of these passages I cite in your next post, and explain how they actually permit abortion, and how they actually support the killing of someone like Gianna Jesson, I won’t post your comment, or any other. You don’t get to vaguely talk about the Bible, and then blithely ignore what it teaches. And when you’re out in public, start attempting to identify who should have been aborted, and who shouldn’t have been.

    Your “it’s sad” comment that I have to be all passionate for a moderate like McCain is just bizarre in my mind. If I had a Hitler running against someone who wasn’t that inspiring to me, should I vote for the Hitler? I see a man who is more dangerous to this country than any candidate we’ve ever seen – and I’m supposed to set that aside? I am not calling Obama “Hitler,” but the principle applies regarding making sure the WORST guy doesn’t become our leader. Obama is THE worst guy.

  22. Rachel Says:

    I really don’t mind this being the last time we speak, because I am not too enthusiastic about continuing a conversation with someone, especially one turning into a Biblical discussion, who embodies so much hate, who through his bias and self-righteous words, brings out the worst in me and makes me say things that I shouldn’t say.

    I’m just going to end your stuff right there. What a hateful thing of you to say. And what a self-righteous hypocrite you reveal yourself to be yet AGAIN.

    Your very first words to me were that I am ignorant, right before you called me a racist when I hadn’t even mentioned race. And then you had the gall to say I was rude to YOU. And now you label me as the embodiment of hate for standing up for human life. You need to spend some serious time looking in a mirror.

    As for your “I believe that life begins at conception, but I’ll support a candidate who has a 100% abortion rating, who literally supported (FOUR TIMES) the death by neglect of a baby who survived an abortion lest the mother have to relive her decision to kill her baby, because John McCain has supported abortion in the cases of rape or incest, is just morally insane.

    There are 50 million dead human beings because of abortion. And the Party that you clearly support has promoted every single one of them. And while claiming to be pro-life, you’re going to quibble about all that other stuff you brought up? Give me a break!

    You have labeled me ignorant. You have called me a racist without any justification at all. And now you call me the embodiment of hate.

    Don’t bother writing back. I won’t waste my time reading it, and I WILL delete it. I have no time for haters like you.

  23. Rachel Says:

    I do lable you to be ignorant.

    I kept your first sentence just to underscore the disconnect between someone who calls me ignorant when they can’t even get through the first sentence without a misspelling. I’m through with you.

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