Democrats Vote To Let Elderly Die In Name Of ‘Stimulus’

The so-called “stimulus” package was losing popular support on an almost daily basis until Barack Obama came out in a massive media barrage to support it.  But one thing Obama never seems to mention is the fact that its passage will ration health care to the elderly.

Betsy McCaughey, former lieutenant governor of New York, has uncovered a few unpleasant outcomes for little Suzy’s poor old Grandma if the Generational Theft Act gets passed.  Tom Daschle may be gone, now that folks know that this erstwhile Secretary of Health and Human Services didn’t bother to pay all his Medicare Taxes.  But even though Daschle is gone, his influence has already been built in.

Page numbers in parentheses refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Hidden Provisions

If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).

Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”

McCaughey also says:

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Of the digitizing and electronic filing of every single American, Rush Limbaugh has this:

Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system.  Now, there are arguments back and forth about whether or not this is a good thing.  The opportunity for the loss of privacy is huge here by digitizing and making everybody’s health care records computerized, especially having a major federal database where everybody’s health records are.  Some people say this is a good thing because it will assist in treatment, particularly in emergencies.

That’s what they used to sell this, but (laughs) ask Alex Rodriguez about privacy.  There are 104 names on this list from 2003 of people who tested positive for steroids in a year it was legal.  Only his name gets released of the 104.  The players union was supposed to destroy the list, and they didn’t.  They had a reason for it, but they botched their philosophy. Their theory got confounded. So somebody who’s got it in for Alex Rodriguez released his name to Sports Illustrated, four or five different people, and so now he’s been tarnished with the steroids thing just as a lot of other players — Barry Bonds and others — have.  This notion that privacy can exist particularly in a politicized Washington is a bit of a… I’m doubtful about it, but there are some people who like the idea.  Anyway, this bill computerizes everybody’s health records.  Then after everybody health records are computerized, this new bureaucracy is created, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology.

It’s ironicly fitting that Alex Rodriguez’s privacy would be destroyed on the same day that the Senate debates a bill that would subject every single American to the same risk.  But this isn’t just about embarrasment.

Imagine this: the government, which is going to ration health care and make decisions on the basis of saving money, will have total access to your records.  Is there not a gigantic conflict of interest here?  If the government takes over health care, then this is every bit as serious of a problem as it would be for your insurance company to have full access to your genetic screening.  Do you not see how someone with a genetic predisposition to a serious condition could be written out of coverage by the government before he or she is even aware of the potential health problem?

Several years ago, I watched a sermon by D. James Kennedy.  He quoted Proverbs 8:36 – “But he who sins against me [God’s wisdom] injures himself; All those who hate me love death” – and linked the logical mentality of abortion to that of euthenasia and the overall culture of death overtaking our society.  In a chilling prediction, Kennedy said, “Watch out, Grandpa!  Because the generation that survived abortion will come after you!”

And now it’s time for Grandma and Grandpa to pay the piper.  The same embrace of death as a solution to the myriad “crises” that resulted in the extermination of more than 50 million babies in the United States will soon result in the death by abandonment of medical resources .  And, of course, it will simply be Grandma and Grandpa’s moral duty to “die with dignity.”

If you are a senior citizen or about to become one any time soon, realize that Democrat Senators are voting to let you die as part of their ‘stimulus’ package.

And if not, realize that Democrats are preparing to come after Grandma and Grandpa’s health care to bring down the cost burden of their socialized medicine.

Updated February 11 to insert following:



Last updated: 2:45 am
February 11, 2009

Patient treatment could be restricted and health-care rationed under a provision in the economic-stimulus legislation, critics say.

A $3 billion Health Information Technology system included in the bill calls for all Americans’ medical records to be computerized by 2014.

President Obama says the plan will help bolster medical care, reduce errors and cut costs.

But critics see it as a power grab advancing socialized medicine by vesting more power over health care in the federal government.

The National Coordinator of Health Information Technology will oversee implementation.

The health-care package approved by Congress states HIT will provide “appropriate information to help guide medical decisions.”

Former New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey blew the whistle on the measure in an analysis for Bloomberg News, arguing the goal of the new program is “to reduce costs and ‘guide’ your doctor’s decisions.”

“Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important,” she said, “but enforcing uniformity goes too far.”

McCaughey’s withering critique was credited with helping scuttle Bill and Hillary Clinton’s health-care plan in the 1990s.

The American Medical Association has endorsed Obama’s plan, saying the measure prohibits the federal government from establishing national medical guidelines for doctors.

– the bill calls for all Americans’ medical records to be computerized by 2014

– HIT will provide “appropriate information to help guide medical decisions.”

– the goal of the new program is “to reduce costs and ‘guide’ your doctor’s decisions.”

“Time to kiss your Grammy goodbye, kids. The government has decided she isn’t worth keeping alive any more.”

Be afraid.  Be very, very afraid.

22 Responses to “Democrats Vote To Let Elderly Die In Name Of ‘Stimulus’”

  1. Ellyn Klein Says:

    I am appalled that we seniors are considered garbage. We’ve paid and paid with hard work, ito the SYSTEM, Our government officials run the program into the ground and now they want to take away our CIVIL RIGHTS,OUR PRIVACY,
    and our MONEY and tell us to die.

    What a sad state of affairs we are in. I for one am not
    going down without a fight. If you want to fight, contact me at

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    I’ll sure be fighting for you. I’m not willing to let my parents die for the sake of the “medical rationing” that liberals are ALREADY SAYING will accompany the socialized medicine they are right now attempting to impose.

    It comes down to this: human beings are precious. They are precious when they are very young in the womb; and they are precious when they are old and gray. There is incommensurable value to every innocent human life.

    I will fight with you, Ellyn. I will fight with you as a fellow human being trying to protect the sanctity and dignity of human life. And I will fight with you as a Christian standing by Israel and Jews and saying, “NEVER AGAIN!”

  3. Gary Says:

    When will they bring out the ovens!!!
    All elderly who voted for Obama should have seen this coming!!
    We need to vote Republican starting in 2010 and 2012!!

  4. Michael Eden Says:

    As I’ve been saying, “The beast is coming.”

    D. James Kennedy hit it on the head when he said, “Watch out, Grandpa! Because the generation that survived abortion will come after you.” And now we have abortion survivor (child of single mother) Barack Obama fulfilling his prediction.

    We are giving our country – lock stock and barrel – over to evil people who will pursue evil ends and means.

  5. Peggy Says:

    Obama’s intent is to destroy America as we know it, Everything he does says that if we will only listen. He stored up a lot of hate in the 20 years he sit under the Rev Wright’s hate ranting and raving and calling it religion. Now I hear he is ready to pass the bill that will put a man of God in prison for 12 years for preaching that Homosexuality is a sin. They will call it hate speech. And he calls himself a christian????? The only hope for the people of America is to put their life in Gods hands, God’s wrath is about to fall and Obama and all his crooked partners in crime will go down with him. May God Bless America Again, but I think God is just as fed up as the decent American people are, The only difference is God can do something about it we can’t “Its gone to far”

  6. Michael Eden Says:

    I called myself a car and went out and laid down in my garage. I was far more a car than Obama is a Christian.

    You and I realized the same thing: the Jeremiah Wright revelation demonstrated that Obama is an evil man who immersed himself in the most hateful church.

    I haven’t heard about the prison time for declaring the sin of homosexuality – but I always knew it was coming.

    The beast is coming, just as God foretold in His Word. Nothing is happening that we didn’t know would one day happen.

  7. Peggy Says:

    Hi Michael, I heard last night on Fox News that anywhere obama speaks and there is a picture of Jesus or a Christian scripture verse visible in his shot “He ask that the picture and scripture be covered with a piece of board. This is only if its a Christian organization. I believe he is just as much muslin as Bin Laden is. I also believe that is one of his intents to make America a muslin country. He is evil to the core, Why people can’t see it I don’t know, it is so obvious.Take Care & God Bless

  8. Peggy Says:

    This should make your blood boil !!!!!!!!!!

    Subject: Obama’s Exec. Order for $20.3 ml to relocate Pal.

    Refugees to U.S.

    Very disturbing sequence of events.

    Obama’s Exec. Order for $20.3 ml to relocate Palistinian Refugees to U.S.



    President Barack Obama has signed an executive order

    Presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to

    Settle in the United States at American taxpayers’ expense. Sure, what can

    Go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as

    Mark Steyn memorably described, “marinated” in a “sick death cult,” who

    Voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombing/murders in the

    United States .

    By executive order, President Barack Obama has

    Ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the

    Palestinians. Egypt won’t take them. Jordanwon’t take them. Syria won’t

    Take them. Saudi Arabia won’t take them. All of the Arab countries – every

    One of them – has allowed the Palestinians to fester for over 60 years.

    Meanwhile, generation after generation have become more and more

    Radicalized. Their lives are unproductive – they “live” to die as martyrs –

    Yearning for the rewards of the world beyond.

    The “presidential determination” will allow hundreds

    Of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United

    States . The determination was signed on January 27 and appeared in the

    Federal Register on February 4.

    President Obama’s decision, according to the

    Register, was necessitated by “the urgent refugee and migration needs” of

    The “victims.”

    Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order

    Provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to

    Individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic

    Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

    Let’s review some of Barack Obama’s most recent

    Actions since he was inaugurated a little more than four months ago:

    * His first call to any head of state as president

    Was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.

    * His first one-on-one interview with any news

    Organization was with Al Arabia television.

    * He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all

    Military trials of detainees halted..

    * He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers


    * He withdrew all charges against the masterminds

    Behind the USS Cole and 9/11 .

    * Today we learn that he is allowing hundreds of

    Thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at American

    Taxpayer expense.

    Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

    DOCID: fr04fe09-106


    [[Page 6115]]

    Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27, 2009

    Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza

    Memorandum for the Secretary of State

    By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the “Act”), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.

    You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

    (Presidential Sig.)


    Washington, January 27, 2009

    [FR Doc. E9-2488

    Filed 2-3-09; 8:45 am]

    Billing code 4710-10-P

  9. Michael Eden Says:

    I don’t know what to make of that, Peggy. I DO know he is a genuinely evil man. He literally fought for the practice of outright infanticide as a state senator. I also believe he worships himself far more than any other God (Allah or otherwise).

    But, yes, it is no lie that he has on SEVERAL occasions demanded that images of Christ or the cross be covered up. And I ask, “If he went to a Buddhist temple, or a mosque, would he demand that THEY cover up their most significant images? You know he wouldn’t.

  10. Michael Eden Says:

    I never intended to remain in political blogging this long. I thought I’d blog through the election, do my best to prevent this country from choosing this terrible man, and stop.

    But it’s just been one outrage piled on top of another – so many you literally can’t cover them all. And I demand that there be a record of these outrages.

  11. Peggy Says:

    Hi Michael, I see you are still around I know what you are saying it just never stops and its never good. I agree this man who is parading around as a president has defiled our God and our Country time and time again but his day will come along with all his evil associates who are just as bad as he is. Have a good Day and keep looking up. We have read the end of that precious book and we know who wins this game.

  12. Michael Eden Says:

    You got it, Peggy. We’re in the last days, and for all the bad news that is heading for the world, we know that Christ will take us away to glory.

    I’m more certain of that every day as Obama ruins the USA and sets up its collapse.

    I always wondered when I heard “the whole world will worship the beast” how the USA would descend to that. Now I know. We have ALREADY chosen a false messiah figure; and the other (the antichrist) will be even MORE convincing! Obama will cause the USA to implode under the weight of its shocking spending, punitive taxation on producers, and stupid policies (e.g. energy, health care) that further undermine the economy. When the USA implodes, the world will implode. And in the ensuing crisis will come antichrist.

    I want to warn people. The beast is coming. Get your hearts right with God or you’ll be left behind.

  13. sb Says:

    what absolute nonsense.

    you should be ashamed of what you are trying to do to the elderly in the name of BIG INSURANCE.

    you are pathetic.

  14. Michael Eden Says:

    Boy, you sure disproved everything I said. I stand refuted in the face of all the FACTS you offer.

    You are the one who is pathetic; facts don’t matter to you. Only liberalism and your ignorant opinion.

    Jane Sturm asked President Obama:”My question to you is: Outside the medical criteria for prolonging life for somebody who is elderly, is there any consideration that can be given for a certain spirit, a certain joy of living, a quality of life, or is it just a medical cutoff at a certain age?”

    Obama said: “I don’t think that we can make judgments based on people’s ’spirit.’ Uh, that would be, uh, a pretty subjective decision to be making. I think we have to have rules that, uh, say that, uh, we are going to provide good quality care for all people. End-of-life care is one of the most difficult sets of decisions that we’re going to have to make. But understand that those decisions are already being made in one way or another. If they’re not being made under Medicare and Medicaid, they’re being made by private insurers. At least we can let doctors know — and your mom know — that you know what, maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off, uhh, not having the surgery, but, uhh, taking the painkiller.”

    How about if YOU take the painkiller instead, Obama? Or maybe your children? Or how about YOU, SB, you demagogue? How about if YOU take the painkiller instead of lifesaving medical treatment?

    Oh, your messiah Obama deceitfully said:
    “First of all,” Mr. Obama said, “nobody is talking about some government takeover of health care. I’m tired of hearing that. I have been as clear as I can be. Under the reform I’ve proposed, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. These folks need to stop scaring everybody, you know?”

    But Obama is a documented liar. We’ve got Obama HIMSELF talking about a “government takeover of health care.” He HIMSELF has said he was in favor of a universal, single-payer health system.

    “I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

    And Obama – the man who said, “NOBODY’S TALKING” about government health care – is not the only one. Barney Frank:

    “I think that if we get a good public option it could lead to single payer and that is the best way to reach single payer. Saying you’ll do nothing till you get single payer is a sure way never to get it. … I think the best way we’re going to get single payer, the only way, is to have a public option and demonstrate the strength of its power.”

    And there are several other Democrats on record who have publicly said that the “public option” is the pathway to socialized government heath care.

    A powerful article by the Wall Street Journal shows what will happen if your liberals get their hands on heath care, and just how Americans WILL in fact be forced into government health care:

    One by one, President Obama’s health-care promises are being exposed by the details of the actual legislation: Costs will explode, not fall; taxes will have to soar to pay for it; and now we are learning that you won’t be able to “keep your health-care plan” either.

    The reality is that the House health bill, which the Administration praised to the rafters, will force drastic changes in almost all insurance coverage, including the employer plans that currently work best. About 177 million people—or 62% of those under age 65—get insurance today through their jobs, and while rising costs are a problem, according to every survey most employees are happy with the coverage. A major reason for this relative success is a 1974 federal law known by the acronym Erisa, or the Employee Retirement Income Security Act.

    Erisa allows employers that self-insure—that is, those large enough to build their own risk pools and pay benefits directly—to offer uniform plans across state lines. This lets thousands of businesses avoid, for the most part, the costly federal and state regulations on covered treatments, pricing, rate setting and so on. It also gives them flexibility to design insurance to recruit and retain workers in a competitive labor market. Roughly 75% of employer-based coverage is governed by Erisa’s “freedom of purchase” rules.

    Goodbye to all that. The House bill says that after a five-year grace period all Erisa insurance offerings will have to win government approval—both by the Department of Labor and a new “health choices commissioner” who will set federal standards for what is an acceptable health plan. This commissar—er, commissioner—can fine employers that don’t comply and even has “suspension of enrollment” powers for plans that he or she has vetoed, until “satisfied that the basis for such determination has been corrected and is not likely to recur.”

    In other words, the insurance coverage of 132 million people—the product of enormously complex business and health-care decisions—will now be subject to bureaucratic nanomanagement. If employers don’t meet some still-to-be-defined minimum package, they’ll have to renegotiate thousands of contracts nationwide to Washington’s specifications. The political incentives will of course demand an ever-more generous “minimum” benefit and less cost-sharing, much as many states have driven up prices in the individual insurance market with mandates. Erisa’s pluralistic structure will gradually constrict toward a single national standard.

    Yet a computer programming firm, say, and a grocery store chain have very different insurance needs, and in any case may not be able to afford the same kind and level of benefits. Innovation in insurance products will also be subject to political tampering. Likely casualties include the wellness initiatives that give workers financial incentives to take more responsibility for their own health, such as Safeway’s. Some politicians will claim that’s unfair. High-deductible plans with health savings accounts are also out of political favor, therefore certain to go overboard. If you have one of those and like it, too bad.

    The new Erisa regime will be especially difficult to meet for businesses that operate with very slim profit margins or have large numbers of part-time or seasonal workers. They may simply “cash out” and surrender 8% of their payroll under the employer-mandate tax. A new analysis by the Lewin Group, prepared for the Heritage Foundation, finds that some 88.1 million people will be shifted out of private employer health insurance under the House bill. If those people preferred their prior plan, well, too bad again.

    The largest employers—though not all—may clear the minimum bar, at least at first. But in addition to the “health choices” administrative burden, the cost of labor will rise because the House guts another key section of Erisa. Currently, lawsuits about employee benefits are barred under the law, allowing large employers to avoid the state tort lotteries in disputes over coverage. No longer. As a gratuity to the trial bar, Democrats will now subject businesses to these liabilities in the name of health “reform.”

    So when Mr. Obama says that “If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what,” he’s wrong. Period. What he’s not telling the American people is that the government will so dramatically change the rules of the insurance market that employers will find it impossible to maintain their current coverage, and many will drop it altogether. The more we inspect the House bill, the more it looks to be one of the worst pieces of legislation ever introduced in Congress.

    So the only one who should be ashamed of himself is YOU, you pathetic, ignorant demagogue.

  15. Padraig's Ghost Says:

    If you voted Democrat, You voted for Communism! Now it seems in addition to Communism, you voted for a Death Cult full of “First Class Psychopaths”. Continuing in the tragically ironic tradition of racist, eugenic proponet and planned parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger we have euthanasia being incorperated into the Totalitarian National Healthcare grab (her monsterous goal was to do away with black people…). In addition to killing the unborn we have the influence of such people of National Science Advisor Robert Holdren ensuring the pulling the plug and killing of the elderly. What is next? The first victims of the National Socialists of Germany were not Jews, Gypyies, etc. (or Romini as they perfer to be called) but handicapped, socially and mentally “unfit” beginning in 1936. The great C. Everet Koop wrote a book tittled “What Ever Happened to the Human Race”. Indeed what ever happened to the Human Race? Other “Monsters in Human Form” include De Camp Professor of Bioethics, Peter Singer at Princton University. He would allow and encourage Infacide, Parricide, and Suicide of the undesired people. Human Monster and Professor is the son of Jewish parents who escaped Austria in the late 1930’s when the NAZI’s took over. I am sure his parents are very proud of that their son turned out to be a Human Monster just like the Communists and NAZI’s. The banailty of true evil rears it’s ugly head again. I recommend that everyone read Professor (and Rabbi) Richard Rubenstein’s 1983 sleeper classic, “The Age of Triage, Fear and Hope in an Overcrowded World”. Since 1873 over 35 million babies have been aborted. Over 14 million of the babies aborted since 1973 have been black babies. Yet black or African American’s only comprise 13.4% or 40.9 million people. Planned Parenthood concentrates their clinics in Black and other minority communities. Under President Obama the disproportionatre ratio black or African American abortions and other killings will most certainly increase. Prehaps our new president and his followers may yet be the greatest disciples of the Human Monster Margaret Sanger yet!

    P.S. The followers of Socialism (including the National Socialist of Germany) killed over 100 million people in in the last century. How many will they kill in this one? I feel the largest holocaust in human history has yet to be!

  16. Michael Eden Says:

    Good points. I might add that communism alone murdered more than 100 million people during PEACETIME alone.

    Liberals decry the Crusades and the Inquisition – which occurred centuries ago and which didn’t even BEGIN to be anywhere near as murderous or as vicious as state atheism in the 20th century – and act as if they had somehow proven the evils of religion and conservatism.

    Can we identify Margaret Sanger and the frankly Nazi policies of eugenics with modern liberalism? You BET we can. Not long ago, students at UCLA got Planned Parenthood executives ON TAPE agreeing to accepting money from donors who demanded that their money go to black abortions so that more black babies would die.

    And we have Ruth Bader Ginsburg saying:

    In an astonishing admission, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg says she was under the impression that legalizing abortion with the 1973 Roe. v. Wade case would eliminate undesirable members of the populace, or as she put it “populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”

    Liberals will look at your comment as a terrible rant, Padraig’s Ghost. It won’t ever dawn on them or even matter to them that what you are saying is in fact 100% true.

  17. Padriag's Ghost Says:

    I have been reading HR3200 Section by Section! I find the “MOST NOT ALL” of the claims by the opponents of the bill have exaggerated or outright lied about the facts in the bill. Some of the bill is also written with very slippery vague language, so who knows what they really want to do. However, it is still a very bad bill and I don’t want the Government to have access to my medical records. I also do not want to create another giant agency agencies to oversee my life. TELL GOVERNMENT TO GET THE HELL OUT OF MY LIVE!

    What I am scared of are people like the Emanuel Brothers. The Intrepid Rham Emanuel is Obama’s Chief of Staff and Chief Arm Twister. (Al Capone would highly value such a man from Chicago in his day!). Rham’s other brother is Ari Emanuel. Ari just happens to be Michael “Sicko” Moore’s Hollywood Agent. Rham’s other brother is Ezekiel Emanuel M.D. PhD. Dr. Emanuel is a leading Oncologist and Bioethicist (CAN YOU SAY EUGENICS!) and proponent of Euthanasia. Dr. Emanuel is also on President Obama’s Medical Advisory Board. Last we have Dr. John Holdren, the President’s National Science Advisor. Dr. Holdren is a leading expert on global population control (CAN YOU SAY EUGENICS, AGAIN!) and well known Euthanasia proponent. Folks, if I were writing a novel I still could not make this stuff up!

  18. Michael Eden Says:

    I haven’t yet read the bill, because there doesn’t appear to be a bill to read yet. I’ve read some parts of the House bill, and you’re right – the language is frequently vague and open-ended.

    Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel and another guy – Cass Sunstein, Obama’s regulatory czar – and their writings must be watched.

    Sunstein was appointed, no doubt, off the success of “Nudge,” his previous book, which suggests that government ought to gently force people to be better human beings.” But it goes beyond that: Sunstein advocates “nudging” the law toward a liberal and socialist direction to lead us to that “better” point. So you’ve got to look at what they want to do, and then realize that if there is any wiggle room whatsoever, they will do it.

    Frankly, I want to see the most frightening potential realities repudiated in writing and encoded into law. If they want to claim there isn’t rationing, then I want to see a specific law criminalizing the rationing of health care resources by the US government.

  19. Padraig's ghost Says:

    I posted reponses to on several other sites concerning the President Obama’s staff, Health Care Reform and the Communitarian-Fabian Society connection over the past several days. The comments were in turn were posted for all to see on the internet. I checked back on each of them to see if any other parties commmented on them. My posts are now gone! I am wondering is someone has already initiated a form of censorship on the internet? I fear we may already be living in Orwell’s 1984!

  20. Michael Eden Says:

    The internet is dominated by the left. And the left is as fair as Stalin in tolerating speech.

    I once included this in a lesson contrasting Orwell vs. Huxley’s vision of the future:

    1. Orwell’s 1984 vs. Huxley’s Brave New World: who was right?
    a. Contrary to popular belief, the two did NOT predict the same thing: Orwell warned we’d be overcome by externally imposed oppression; Huxley said no Big Brother would be needed to deprive us of our autonomy, maturity, & history – rather people would come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacity to think.
    b. Orwell feared those who would ban books; Huxley feared there would be no reason to burn a book, for no one would bother to read one// Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information; Huxley feared those who would give us so much information that we’d be reduced to passivity & egoism.// Orwell feared the truth would be concealed from us; Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance.// Orwell feared we would become a captive culture; Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, w/ our attention captured by the equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy.// Orwell feared those who would control us by inflicting pain; Huxley feared those who would control us by inflicting pleasure.// Orwell feared what we hated would enslave us; Huxley feared that what we loved would enslave us.// Orwell feared a terrifying Big Brother figure who exuded suspicion and hate; Huxley feared that, in the age of advanced technology, spiritual devastation was more likely to come from an enemy with a smiling face.// Orwell feared that Big Brother would watch us against our will; Huxley feared that we would watch him, by our own choice. There is no reason for guards and gates or “Ministries of Truth” when a population becomes distracted by trivia, when culture is redefined as a perpetual round of entertainment, when serious dialogue/debate is reduced to baby-talk.
    c. Orwell accurately described the world of Communism and totalitarian states; but Huxley was right in his visionary assessment of the Western World. In Brave New World Revisited, Huxley said the civil libertarians & rationalists – ever on the alert to oppose tyranny – “failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.”

    I believe what we are seeing is a hybrid of both Orwell and Huxley. As we become more and more self-absorbed and dependent, and as the government grows larger and larger, we see the propensity to have more and more rights and freedoms taken away.

    Look at Venzuela. Hugo Chavez offers what amounts to bribes to stay in power even as he seizes more and more power (via nationalization of assets) and usurps more and more freedoms (especially free speech).

    Only a strong, courageous, and moral people can stand up to encroaching dictatorship – which is why there are so many dictators and so few revolutions that win and create democracies in their place.

  21. Jake Says:

    You all should realize more for some means less for others. Period. If you all want to go down kicking and screaming, fighting death, wasting resources, think about all the children in the world who could be bettering themselves, but aren’t afforded the same opportunities they otherwise might recieve. Live and let Die. ____ you old selfish _____.

  22. Michael Eden Says:

    I edited Jake’s post for profanity. Have to wonder about someone who is so vulgar he can’t even express himself without cursing and vulgar insults even as he provides us with a moral lecture.

    Jake seems to think its perfectly fine to kill off old people, and even says they are selfish for not wanting to voluntarily walk into the gas chamber.

    I rather disagree.

    But on top of that, Jake foolishly presupposes that a government takeover of health care – beyond his admission that it would murder old and sick people – would somehow be better for those who were lucky enough to survive. Having been in the Army and seen what total government-managed control looks like, I strongly disagree.

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