Obama Calls U.S. ‘One of the largest Muslim countries of the world’

According to the respected Pew Research Center, Muslims make up .06 percent of the U.S. adult population.

But that didn’t stop Obama from making factually ridiculous claims in order to sell himself to the “Muslim world.”

Can you believe that the same guy who said the U.S. isn’t “a Christian nation” the LAST time he went to a Muslim country is now claiming that we’re actually one of the largest Muslim countries in the world?

He’s also continuing to sell his announcement that he’s going to close down Gitmo even as there is more and more reason to believe that it will never be closed during his administration.

What matters truth to the messiah of Marxism?

Obama calls US “one of largest Muslim countries”
ISTANBUL – U.S. President Barack Obama, who is set to begin his Middle East trip, on Tuesday referred to the United States as “one of the largest Muslim countries of the world.”

Speaking to Canal+ television in Washington before setting off on a tour of the Middle East and Europe, Obama said he would use a planned speech in Cairo to set out a new framework for American relations in the region.

“I think what we need is to create a better dialogue. So that the Muslim world understands better how the U.S., but how effectively the West, thinks about many of these difficult issues: terrorism, like democracy,” he was quoted by AFP as saying.

While admitting that “expectations need to be somehow modest,” Obama said he will work with allies on the crisis in Afghanistan, the standoff with Iran and “the prospects of peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.”

“And one of the points I want to make is — if you take the number of Muslim Americans — we would be one of the largest Muslim countries of the world. There has got to be a better dialogue and understanding.”

Estimates of the number of Muslims in the United States, where there is no question about religion on census forms, vary widely.

A 2007 study by the respected Pew Research Center estimated that Muslims make up 0.6 percent of the U.S. adult population, or approximately 1.4 million Muslims 18 years old or older.

And of course, the liberals and atheists who came unglued when conservatives reacted against Obama’s claim that “we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation” very likely won’t so much as bat an eye when their ostensibly secular messiah pronounces America one of the largest Muslim countries of the world.

Obama has been the most blatantly dishonest and disingenuous demagogue I have ever seen.

Obama deceitfully claimed the moral high ground in the war on terror (which he renamed the overseas contingency operation) even as the new liberal administration took many of the same positions that it had previously hypocritically and demagogically found so hateful while on the campaign trail.  As many policies as Obama has undone that will make this country less safe, there have been almost as many that he once demonized, only to assume himself once in office.

For instance, President Obama has reserved unto himself the right to order the use of enhanced interrogation should he deem it appropriate.  Given that President Bush used the technique against only three individuals shortly after the worst disaster in US history, how is Obama any different?

Obama demonized Bush over the Bush policy on rendition. But now this demagogue is quietly continuing to carry out the same rendition policy – abducting terrorist suspects and sending them to countries that will use harsh interrogation methods – even as he congratulates himself in front of a fawning and dishonest media for his being better than Bush.

In the words of the New York Times, military commissions were “a concept he criticized bitterly as a presidential candidate.” But now the Obama – hypocrite and demagogue that he is – is going to quietly use the same commissions himself.

And Obama has indicated that he likewise reserves the right to continue to hold some prisoners without trial indefinitely – a position he demonized during the campaign. How can such a man who so hypocritically employed such demagoguery only to come to the exact same position as the man he demagogued claim any semblance of moral high ground?

Is the man who has now dishonestly abandoned the faith of our fathers and immersed the country in the faith of a foreign religion for the sake of pandering to Muslims going to share any of those facts with those who hear his lies?

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9 Responses to “Obama Calls U.S. ‘One of the largest Muslim countries of the world’”

  1. El Mao Says:

    was bounced here from “Possibly related posts” from my own site.

    i wonder if you would consider India (13 percent Muslim) or China (1.5 percent Muslim) to be among the largest Muslim countries in the world simply because neither have a majority Muslim population.

    Well, in terms of the global population, both are among the Top 20. India, in fact, has the third largest Muslim population in the world!

    I believe this was President Obama’s point. He attempted to make the claim based on the global population; not relative to the U.S. population. BUT, he is wrong not because of the tiny proportion of Muslims in the United States of America compared to the population as a whole. He is wrong because the U.S. ranks in the 50s for Muslim populations. That is hardly “one of the largest.”

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    El Mao,
    In defending Obama’s “point,” your own bias is showing.

    According to Pew, Islam represents .06% of the US population. And you are going to defend a man who previously said “America is not a Christian nation” when over 78% of Americans so identify themselves, and then says that the United States is one of the largest Muslim countries in the world? You HAVE to realize that the two statements are mutually indefensible; and that the latter becomes an insult to the former.

    And no, by the way. I would NOT call China “among the largest Muslim countries.” China is officially atheist country which happens to have some Muslims (and even more Christians) among its population.

  3. El Mao Says:

    “happens to have some Muslims”?

    that is an interesting statement. nearly 20 million Muslims appears to be more than just happenstance. Muslims in China have a longer history than those in Southeast Asia. and it is not just the Uyghurs either, but the Hui in Ningxia as well. And, for the record, I do not believe that China is “officially atheist.” Like the United States, they do not claim an official religion. That is different from claiming to be atheist.

    And what bias? I never made the claim that he meant a majority of U.S.ians are Muslim. I think he meant in terms of the global Muslim population. But even there he is wrong (52nd out of 192 countries hardly qualifies for “one of the largest”).

    What you HAVE to realize is the difference between making a statement concerning official religion and one of population size. President Obama’s statement on the U.S. not being a Christian state was foolish, but seemed to be in reference to politics and not population. The statement about Islam seemed to be about population. Had he said that the U.S. is not one of the largest Christian countries in the world, or claimed that the U.S. is a Muslim state, THEN the argument would hold.

    Do not get so caught up in the Muslim population’s proportion relative to the overall U.S. population. Jews also make up a tiny percentage of the U.S. population; but in relation to the global Jewish population, the United States is — wait for it — one of the largest Jewish countries in the world!

  4. Michael Eden Says:

    “And, for the record, I do not believe that China is “officially atheist.””

    State atheism is the official rejection of religion in all forms by a government in favor of atheism. As a strict rule, only Marxist governments have ever sought to promote atheism as a public norm, and as a rule in accordance with the doctrine of dialectical materialism.[1] State atheism has been implemented in communist countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[2] China, Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea and Communist Mongolia under communist rule also promoted state atheism and attempted to suppress religion.[3][4]

    You can go on telling me what you believe “for the record.” But “for the record,” you are factually wrong.

    There are in fact more than 100 million evangelical Christians in China. Nevertheless, it is an atheist country. Go to China and tell the leadership that they are a “Christian country,” and they will arrest you.

    And by then comparing the United States to officially atheist Communist China, you demonstrate just how radically wrong you AND the left is and has been regarding religion. The phrase “separation of church and state” occurs NOWHERE in ANY of our founding documents. The ONLY place it occurs is the Constitution of the Soviet Union (article 124) and other Marxist regimes.

    The USSR Constitution says:
    “In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the USSR is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of anti-religious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.”

    And how did that policy work out for them? We all know what a triumph of freedom and human dignity ensued from their atheism and removal of religion from public life. Morality and ethics are and always have been dependent upon religious principles. More than 100 million human beings were murdered by officially atheist regimes.

    You obviously didn’t look at it earlier: why don’t you look at the compilation of facts I amassed when Obama said “America isn’t a Christian country”? See in particular the numerous quotes from our founding fathers recognizing that religion was essential for our morality, our civil society, and our national existence. The United States is not a Christian country IF AND ONLY IF one narrowly and artificially defines “Christian country” as one theocratically ruled by priests rather than politicians, and according to the Holy Bible rather than the Constitution; but only a fool would try to argue that the United States was not founded according to the Judeo-Christian worldview and Christian and biblical principles. It is and always has been nothing more than a straw man to so narrowly define “Christian nation” as “Christian theocracy” and then say, “But we’re NOT a theocracy; therefore we must separate religion from public life.”

    And I say “biased” because you are attempting to defend the indefensible Obama assertion that the United States – which is 88% Christian – is NOT a Christian country while at the same time arguing that he is correct in saying that the tiny number of Muslims – .06% of the population – makes it “one of the largest Muslim countries of the world.” You are giving Obama – who is making FAR-LEFTIST statements here that NO PRESIDENT IN HISTORY has ever made – the benefit of the doubt at every turn and twisting your logic to suit his agenda. I frankly don’t know what else to call that except “biased.”

    Obama’s former statement (regarding Christianity) is now rendered laughable by the logic of the latter, and his latter statement (that the US is a Muslim country) is rendered as a blatant act of pandering by the logic of the former. And offered by the same president who gave an address to “the Muslim world” while refusing to visit Israel when he basically had to fly OVER Israel in order to go to Germany.

    My understanding is that there nearly as many Jews in America (5.3 million) than there are in Israel (5.4 million). But we are NOT and never have been a “Jewish country.” Contrary to Obama’s assertions offered overseas, we in fact ARE a Christian nation, with an overwhelmingly Christian population, and founded upon Judeo-Christian principles.

    BTW, I love and pray for the Jews and for the peace of Jerusalem, and defend the right of Israel to exist over and above the right of the artificial “Palestinian state’s” “right” to supplant Israel via “right of return” or “dividing Jerusalem.” And in repeatedly using the phrase, “Judeo-Christian,” I explicitly include Jews as helping to shape the Christian worldview.

  5. El Mao Says:

    One person paddling forward, the other paddling backwards.

    And around and around we go.

    The CPC’s own beliefs are that Communism and religion cannot co-exist. The constitution of the PRC specifically grants freedom of religion.

    AND I QUOTE:

    “ARTICLE 36. Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of belief. No State organ, public organization or individual may force citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion; nor may they discriminate against citizens who believe in, or do not believe in, any religion. The state protects normal religious activities. No one may use religion to engage in activities that disrupt the public order, impair the health of citizens or impeded the education system of the state. Religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any foreign domination.”

    LINK: http://news.xinhuanet.com/ziliao/2004-09/16/content_1990063_3.htm

    Now, whether or not China actually stands by its constitution, which we can both agree they do not, is not the point. And we both know that the latter statements allow the government to crackdown on Tibetan Buddhist and both the Hui and the Uyghurs. Nevertheless, the point is officially, they espouse freedom of religion and NOT state atheism. Can you claim unofficially they are atheist? Sure. But FOR THE RECORD, you are incorrect!

    In an attempt to give you a neutral example, let’s say that I claim that the United States has the largest population of professional football players in the world! Are you going to state that this statement is erroneous simply because pro football players make up a minuscule proportion of the U.S. population? That is the same thing you keep repeating.

    I am not interested in discussing whether or not the U.S. is a “Christian” state. I agreed above; the U.S. is indeed a Christian state. That was never my argument. That was not my point of posting. My point was to bring your attention to a potential explanation to the President’s statement. But that claim by Obama, I will now mention a third time, IS STILL WRONG!

    Comparing population numbers is not the same as doing likewise with official policies. Comparing the numbers in the U.S. with those in China or India makes perfect sense because I am not discussing state policy. But you and everyone on the so-called “right” are so caught up in attempting to jam a square peg into a round hole that you fail to recognize the context. I see the same garbage that the “left” attempted to do with Bush (distorting his words) happening all over again!

    I am not sure what the last paragraph was for, but I suppose I should write “that’s great!” (???)

  6. El Mao Says:

    Here. I found an English version of the PRC Constitution (link will take you to Chapter II, Article 36).

    LINK: http://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article36

    Look, I think we are having what my wife calls a “chicken and duck” conversation. You are taking one thing from that statement (and from my initial comment), and I am taking another thing from Obama’s statement. We are just going to keep going around in circles, and I do not think this is a square-dancing competition. So, disregard the previous comment.

  7. Michael Eden Says:

    I agree with the “around and around” part.

    For what it’s worth, I understand exactly what you are trying to say about Obama’s point. But as I have been saying, Obama doesn’t have a right to claim on the one hand that “88% Christian America” is NOT Christian, and then turn around and say that “.06% Muslim America” IS Muslim. There is a MASSIVE hypocrisy inherent that you simply HAVE to see and face up to. And in both cases, he made both comments on Muslim soil to undermine historic American Christianity and to pander to Muslims for his own political agenda. And nothing you’ve said in any way undermines that obvious contention.

    If Obama is going to attempt to argue that we are not a Christian country even given the numbers of Christians as well as our documented history (which we both apparently agree was incorrect), then he has absolutely no right or reason to then turn around and suggest that we be considered a “Muslim country” in ANY legitimate sense. It’s hypocritical. And it’s pandering crap.

    You also can’t use the word “nation” in a way that makes us a hodgepodge, as Obama clearly tries to do. The very word “Nation” represents a people’s unity, not their diversity. We may be many people, but we are still ONE nation. And so we CAN’T be a “Christian nation” AND a “Muslim nation”; it is as incorrect as it would be to say we are a “Democratic republic” AND a “totalitarian regime.” As the former two are both rival religions, the latter two are both rival political philosophies. We might have both elements present in individual people (there is actually still slavery practiced by some in the US), but “as a nation,” as a matter of our law and our history, and as a logical matter of the law of the excluded middle, we are either the one, or the other.

    Again, the very fact that Obama claimed we are NOT a Christian nation makes it an outrage for him to claim that we ARE a Muslim nation. And if you refuse to see that blatant hypocrisy, I don’t know what to tell you. And as someone on the right, why on earth should I let him get away with it?

    Any claim you might make that “The only reasonable way to see this is the way Obama wants you to” is both incredibly wrong and incredibly naive.

    As for China and atheism:

    You said yourself in your immediately previous comment: “The CPC’s own beliefs are that Communism and religion cannot co-exist.” And that atheistic attitude supersedes anything else they happen to state. China has a history of being every bit as brutal in its suppression of religion as the USSR.

    You also pointed out that China does not bother to follow it’s words in its Constitution. In reality, it grants as much “freedom of religion” as it does “freedom of speech.” I found it interesting to look at the previous Article (35) on the freedom of speech, press, and assembly.

    Please read and consider the following in light of the anniversary of the Tienanmen Square massacre of people who were brutally killed by the thousands for “procession and demonstration.”

    Article 35. Freedom of speech, press, assembly: “Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.”

    And then explain to me how these articles have ANYTHING to do whatsoever with the actual policies of Communist China.

    As an analogy, I have a policy to allow people with different views to comment. And I try to do that. But let’s say that I posted a policy that read, “It is my policy to allow people of different views to comment freely” and then in actual practice deleted every comment that disagreed with my view and suspended their URL. What would my policy actually be? PLEASE don’t tell me you think it would be what I wrote for propaganda purposes when that flies 100% in the face from what I actually did.

    I would suggest to you that the version PRIOR to 1982 is probably markedly different – and probably the one that is actually followed by the Communist party.

  8. Born In The USA Says:

    Barack Obama is very very BAD in History & in Demographics too.

  9. Michael Eden Says:

    He’s also pretty terrible in worldview (Marxism) and in personal character as revealed by the company of friends he keeps.

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