Tea Party Vs. Occupy Protests: The Winners Of The Out-Of-Control Violence Trophy – For The Millionth Consecutive Time – Is The LEFT

I have pointed this fact out time and time again: the socialists, the Marxists, the communists, the Soviets, the fascists, the Nazis, the Maoists, were all PART OF THE POLITICAL LEFT.

The left have been out labelling conservatives as “Nazis” ever since Marxist propagandists first started defining fascism as the polar opposite of communism.  It didn’t matter that “Nazi” stood for “National Socialist German Workers Party.”  Because facts to liberals are like crucifixes to vampires (mind you, liberals also hate crucifixes plenty, too).

I’ve been pointing out the FACT that the left has always been the most violent BY FAR AND AWAY compared to the right:

Left Continues To Be Source Of ACTUAL Acts of Violence

Left Continues Violence; Media Continues To Demagogue Tea Parties

Leftwing Violence And Media Propaganda/Coverup Continues Unabated

I’m going to just point out here that recent history completely confirms that I was right and every single liberal and every single mainstream media “journalist” was wrong.

Tea Party violence?  Tea Party protestors arrested by the police?  Nope.  None.

Liberal Occupy movement protesters?  Little different:

Oakland police stormed the Occupy Oakland protest encampment outside City Hall just before 5:00 a.m. PDT. Police lobbed flash grenades and reportedly fired tear gas. Initial reports say at least 70 people have been arrested and the police tore apart the protest camp. We get a live report from the park by legal observer Marcus Kryshka. Nearly 2,500 people have now been arrested in protests since the start of Occupy Wall Street movement on September 17.

Last night was just another night as the left continues to pull light years ahead of the right in racking up violence points:

OAKLAND, Calif. — Dozens of police in riot gear and hundreds of protesters in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement engaged in a game of cat-and-mouse in downtown Oakland on Tuesday, with authorities using tear gas to respond to demonstrators’ repeated agitations.

The latest such skirmish came around 11 p.m. as some protesters began throwing bottles among a crowd that had reconvened in front of City Hall, where a haze of chemical smoke still hung in the air following a similar clash at the site about an hour earlier.

It was the fourth time police used tear gas in three hours.

Authorities have denied reports that they used flash bang canisters to help break up the crowds, saying the loud noises came from large firecrackers thrown at police by protesters. Police also report being attacked with rocks.

City Hall has been the site of conflict throughout the day. Authorities used a pre-dawn raid to dismantle an Occupy Wall Street encampment that had taken over a plaza outside the government headquarters for more than two weeks.

Police removed about 170 demonstrators who had been staying in the area overnight after repeatedly being warned that such a camp was illegal and they faced arrest by remaining. City officials said 97 people were arrested in the morning raid.

The Central THelicopters scanned the area late Tuesday and scores of officers wearing helmets and carrying clubs patrolled the streets as protesters gathered only a few feet away.

The first scuffle broke out after hundreds of people made their way back to City Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the dispersed camp.

The protesters gathered at a library and marched through downtown Oakland and ultimately were met by police officers in riot gear. Several small skirmishes broke out and officers cleared the area by firing tear gas.

The scene has repeated itself several times since. But each time officers move to disburse the crowd, protesters quickly gather again in assemblies that authorities have declared illegal.

Acting Police Chief Howard Jordan told reporters at a late night news conference that authorities had no other choice, saying the protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at officers.

Texas Tea Party did something that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc. etc. will never do.  They directly compared the two movements:

AHHH, yes. The answer to all our problems, “Occupy Wall Street” and destroy capitalism…that will sure get all these Woodstock wannabes jobs. How refreshing it is to hearken back to the days of the unwashed masses, noisy demonstrations, aimless lawlessness and mass arrests. It’s nothing like the peaceful, spontaneous, orderly Tea Party rallies that actually made a difference in our democratic republic. Do you think this latest thuggery on the part of the Democratic Party brown shirts will save the Obama presidency? Are you now more likely to vote for the liberals to maintain control of the Senate and retake the House? I know I am!

I remember Nancy Pelosi demonizing the Tea Party as carrying swastikas.  Not that the liberal hypocrite minded leftists carrying swastikas at liberal events.

But what does this vile woman have to say about the fact that the American NAZI Party has sided with the Occupy movement that she praised and adored?

What’s that?  Cricket noises?  Where are all you mainstream media cockroaches who crawled all over the Tea Party and accused them of being white and racist and violent?  We now now that the Occupy movement has been every bit as lily white as the whitest Tea Party event ever was.

And while there was never any evidence of widespread racism among the Tea Party, there have been ALL KINDS of vile anti-Semitic racist slurs coming out of the Occupy cockroaches.  And the Democrat Party that embraced the Occupy movement hasn’t given a damn about that ugliest form of racism.

And all kinds of violence, too.

The American left is utterly vile.  They are depraved.  They are baby-killing monstersThey hate democracyThey hate the American flag and the Fourth of JulyWe are living in God damn America because of them and we will continue to live in God damn America until we rid ourselves of them.

You want to see the new flag of the left?  Here it is:

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39 Responses to “Tea Party Vs. Occupy Protests: The Winners Of The Out-Of-Control Violence Trophy – For The Millionth Consecutive Time – Is The LEFT”

  1. William B. Turner Says:

    Sure, the Nazis were socialists, but above all, they were nationalists, that is, conservatives socialists, who socialized the economy with cooperation of leading industrialists in defense of a highly conservative ideal of German national identity that explicitly excluded Jews, Gypsies, and other ethnic minorities. In the U.S., conservatives have been the primary source of political violence, starting with slavery and continuing through lynchings and protests in opposition to civil rights demonstrations. So sorry. Better luck next time.

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    William,

    Couple of things.

    1) There is no such thing as a “conservative socialist.” It is a contradiction in terms, similar to “flying whale” or “intelligent liberal.” If one is a socialist, he or she is far to the left economically and politically. If in fact the Nazis had been conservatives, they would have had a conservative economic and political ideology based upon free markets, laissez faire and capitalism.

    2) You seem to think that “nationalism” is intrinsically “conservative.” No it isn’t. That is frankly about as dumb as saying that all militarism is “conservative.” The former Soviet Union, the People’s Republic of China and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea are all examples of far-left societies that are (or were, in the case of the Soviets) all militaristic AND nationalist. Stalin was forced to dive into “Russian nationalism” during the Nazi invasion. An article on the subject concludes:

    “In a sense, then, despite Stalin’s Marxism, it was nationalism that made the deeper mark on his life and legacy, as the prospects of an international workers’ revolution gave way to the gritty realities of power politics. And it would make the deeper mark on the Soviet Union, as well–today, Marxism remains unrealized, and nationalist sentiments have broken up Stalin’s empire into a dozen smaller states.”

    That nationalism continued to characterize the Russian Soviets, just as it continues characterizes the Chinese and the North Koreans. So you are simply flat-out wrong about “nationalism.”

    As for the corporations, for the record, what Obama has done with GE and with Solyndra is exactly what you are describing Hitler doing. It is called “crony capitalism.” The essence of fascist (socialist) economics is that a powerful big government is able to impose its will on corporations and make them do the government’s will through either a carrot (billions of dollars in “stimulus”) or a stick (threats and regulation). Had either Barack Obama or Adolf Hitler followed CONSERVATIVE limited government free market principles, this garbage wouldn’t happen.

    Your view is 180 degrees wrong. The way liberals view Nazi Germany, Hitler, Hess, Eichmann and company were a bunch of corporate CEOs who took over the government. WRONG!!! They were a bunch of leftist political ideologues who took over the corporations and forced them to contribute to their hateful leftist political and economic agenda. You have it back-asswards, as you have everything else back-asswards.

    Confidence in government is at historic lows. And your “solution” is a government takeover of EVERYTHING because you are a warped human being with a truly warped ideology.

    Since your primary presupposition is completely false, everything else you claim that follows from your erroneous presupposition is simply garbage. What exactly is “Germany’s highly conservative ideal” of national identity? It came out of the mind of Adolf Hitler; NOT centuries of actual tradition. It was fabricated by a madman; NOT based on what the German people had always believed. And in that sense, it was quite “progressive” and not “conservative” at all. Adolf Hitler was no conservative holding on to cherished moral and political traditions like the American conservatives who “cling” to their guns and their Bibles and their Constitution; he was a leftist progressive who “fundamentally transformed” Germany.

    Had Hitler been “conservative” – and especially if he were conservative in the sense of American conservatives – he would NOT have formed a brand new, never existed before political party; and he would have been either a fierce supporter of Paul von Hindenburg’s Weimar Republic or at least a fierce supporter of returning to the rule of the Kaiser and the royal family. Because the most fundamental thing about “conservatives” is that they CONSERVE. Hitler didn’t “conserve” anything.

    You proceed to add downright insulting lies to your “explanation.” Conservatives “started slavery” did they? Are you a total dumbass? The Party of Lincoln was the REPUBLICAN PARTY. The Republican Party had ABOLITION in its CHARTER. We had to fight a WAR with Democrats to end slavery. READ YOUR DAMN HISTORY BEFORE YOU LECTURE SOMEONE, YOU ARROGANT JACKASS. The South was hard-core DEMOCRAT. It was when a REPUBLICAN president was elected that the South started the CIVIL WAR to defend slavery.

    After the war, the Ku Klux Klan grew out of the Democrat South. Allow me to quote:

    The first Klan was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, as a terrorist organization[11] by veterans of the Confederate Army.[16] They named it after the Greek word kuklos, which means circle. The name means “Circle of Brothers.”[17]

    Although there was no organizational structure above the local level, similar groups arose across the South, adopting the name and methods.[citation needed] Klan groups spread throughout the South as an insurgent movement during the Reconstruction era in the United States. As a secret vigilante group, the Klan targeted freedmen and their allies; it sought to restore white supremacy by threats and violence, including murder, against black and white Republicans. In 1870 and 1871 the federal government passed the Force Acts, which were used to prosecute Klan crimes.[18] Prosecution of Klan crimes and enforcement of the Force Acts suppressed Klan activity. In 1874 and later, however, newly organized and openly active paramilitary organizations, such as the White League and the Red Shirts, started a fresh round of violence aimed at suppressing blacks’ voting and running Republicans out of office. These contributed to segregationist white Democrats regaining political power in all the Southern states by 1877.

    Now, let’s considier which American political party was so completely dominated by the Ku Klux Klan that in 1924 said party’s national convention was called “the Klanbake.” Oops. Democrats again:

    The 1924 Democratic National Convention, also called the Klanbake,[1] held at the Madison Square Garden in New York City from June 24 to July 9, took a record 103 ballots to nominate a presidential candidate. It was the longest continuously running convention in United States political history. It was the first major party national convention that saw the name of a woman, Lena Springs, placed in nomination for the office of Vice President. It was also known for the strong influence of the Ku Klux Klan.

    So when you claim that “conservatives” were the ones “starting with slavery” you are an abject liar from the pit of hell.

    You aren’t just wrong or stupid, William. You are depraved.

    Anti-Semitism? In the very article you are mindlessly commenting upon, I provide documenting links of the terrible anti-Semitism of the leftist Occupy Wall Street movement!!! Hell, here’s another one just for you. YOU’RE THE ONES WHO HATE THE JEWS, YOU VILE LIAR!!! Versus conservative evangelical Christians, who are the best friends the Jews have ever had in the entire history of the world!!! Which is to say I can safely add “mentally ill” to wrong, stupid and depraved. Your view of the world is so utterly warped that you cannot apprehend simple basic reality.

    It is therefore no surprise whatsoever that the American Nazi Party is allied with the Occupy movement. “Great minds” think alike.

    And violence? I can go on and on bringing up leftwing organizations and key individuals who were violent to their core. The Weathermen, Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), the Black Panthers, the Youth International Party. I would also remind you that Lee Harvey Oswald was a dedicated communist.

    I can also document that American labor unions have been violent – including terrorist violent – for a good hundred years.

    Btw, allow me to also offer the following comment, in which I include the Nazi Party platform, to further document that the Nazis were leftist and that American leftists embraced the Nazi Party. Because the fact of history is that everything “William B. Turner” says couldn’t be more factually untrue.

    You’re done here, “William B. Turner.” I follow the prescription offered in Proverbs:

    4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
    or you yourself will be just like him.
    5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
    or he will be wise in his own eyes. — Proverbs 26:4-5

    When I get a ridiculous full-of-crap comment like yours, I take it seriously and thoroughly refute it with the facts. And then I block you because you are too dishonest, too stupid and too evil to post on this blog again.

  3. Dr Dreadful Says:

    Ah, yes, quite the personification of mild, peaceful conservatism, aren’t you, Mr Eden? Hurl the wrath of the ages at those who dare to sound even a mild note of dissent, then ban them so they can’t answer back.

    Really classy.

    I suggest that you disable your comments space, because clearly you’re not really interested in debate – just in ranting.

  4. Michael Eden Says:

    Grow up, Dr Dreadful (which is frankly a pretty damn childish thing to call oneself anyway).

    Like you slimeball lefties never block anybody.

    You are the people who invented shouting down people who are trying to speak – in fact you’ve done it again and again)and yet somehow every time one of you is denied (after getting a chance to speak, mind you), you start whining like the crybabies you truly are.

    Your left refuses to tolerate speech with which it disagrees on a daily damn basis. Here’s an example. Here’s another. Here’s another. Here’s another. Here’s another. Here’s another. Here’s another. And I think I’ve demonstrated that I can just go on and on and on.

    But a conservative blocks an idiot on said conservative’s very own personal blog and it’s somehow tantamount to “thoughtcrime” to you vile hypocrites.

    I notice you didn’t have a single word to offer to even so much as disagree with my refutation of the idiot you’re defending.

    I suggest you have something that is actually meaningful to say if you’re going to waste my time with your comments. Because my “rant” was full of facts and argument that you obviously couldn’t so much as touch, versus YOUR rant that was a childish little hissy fit and nothing more.

  5. Dr Dreadful Says:

    There’s actually very little of substance in your lengthy comment besides your own personal biases, a truth that is demonstrated by your leaping to the conclusion that I am a “slimeball lefty” when nothing in my comment said anything at all about my political inclinations.

    Add to that the fact that your response to me is composed of such an array of irrelevant ad hominems, tu quoques and unwarranted conclusions that I’m led to doubt whether this is a good use of my time, but here goes nothing.

    You took umbrage (that’s an understatement!) at Mr Turner for pointing out that conservative violence has been historically prevalent. He’s wrong about the Nazis (never understood why they’re categorized as right wing) but correct about the violence and social injustice committed by American racists. Your error here is in equating the Democratic Party with liberals, which has not always been the case and certainly was not in the pre-Civil Rights Act South. (I suspect that you’re also psychologically unable to distinguish political liberalism from social liberalism: your response to this comment will tell me a lot about that.) Prior to the modern realignment, there were liberals and conservatives in both parties. The Democratic Party was massively dominant in the South, since whether one was politically conservative or not, it was the Republicans who were perceived as the party of emancipation. Kindly explain how it was not “conservative” to want to “conserve” slavery or the segregation of the races.

    Your portrayal of the Occupy movement is confirmation bias run rampant. You automatically see police actions in Oakland, Atlanta and elsewhere as evidence of demonstrator violence. You don’t even for a moment question or examine this conclusion, despite the numerous accounts – many accompanied by video and photographic evidence – which say that police responded excessively at best and may have actually instigated the violence at worst. (The truth, as usual, is probably somewhere in between.) You take one or two idiots with anti-Semitic signs and try to paint them as representative of the whole OWS movement, despite the accounts in your own sources which state that other demonstrators strongly objected to their presence. Lame.

    You’d doubtless be upset if I were to present the Columbine school shootings as evidence that all Americans were juvenile genocidal psychopaths who went around machine-gunning each other all day. You were certainly upset at liberal portrayals of the Tea Party as a bunch of violent maniacs on the basis of one or two geniuses who thought it would be fun to wave assault rifles around at rallies. But that’s exactly what you’re doing here.

    I’ll leave you to your black-and-white world now, as I’m not going to be changing your mind with anything I’ve written here. But you wanted something “meaningful” so here you go. Perhaps one day you’ll realize the world doesn’t work the way you think it works.

    And don’t worry: that won’t mean you have to give up being conservative.

  6. Michael Eden Says:

    Dr Dreadful,

    You say, “There is actually very little of substance in your lengthy comment besides your own personal biases.” Which is of course a bald assertion, contrasted by the array of facts that I presented for my case. You never even bother to touch my arguments, and then you wonder why I call you names.

    I pointed out in my last comment to you:

    “I notice you didn’t have a single word to offer to even so much as disagree with my refutation of the idiot you’re defending.”

    And that’s what you offer me. Not any interaction whatsoever with what I said, but a hand-waving “There is actually very little of substance in your lengthy comment.” I mean, my God, let’s dismiss Einstein’s theory of relativity that way: “there’s actually very little of substance in that.” Oh, good. I can proceed to completely ignore it now.

    I offered you a direct challenge, and you utterly failed. And it wasn’t like I wondered if you wouldn’t. BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU NEVER BOTHER TO DEAL WITH FACTS OR ARGUMENTS. You just wave your hand and dismiss them. Every single time.

    You follow in the identical pattern of your fellow leftie (please don’t try to represent yourself as some “objective” person who is neither right nor left because you’re just so damn transcendent); you apply a false premise to your argument.

    “You took umbrage (that’s an understatement!) at Mr Turner for pointing out that conservative violence has been historically prevalent. He’s wrong about the Nazis (never understood why they’re categorized as right wing) but correct about the violence and social injustice committed by American racists.”

    “Racism” is “rightwing” for you as a presupposition. Why is racism rightwing? Because you want it to be, and because you are unencumbered by embarrassing little things such as FACTS or HISTORY. Again, I could do the same thing I did with William, and document how thoroughly racist the communist and very committed leftist Soviet Union was to blow away this stupid notion that somehow “racism” is “right wing.” The Soviet Union annihilated millions of ethnic minorities in their sphere – and in fact committed genocide against their aboriginal populations a full hundred years after the “racist” United States when supposedly the world had become more “civilized.” And in fact I have ALL KINDS of evidence that the political left is racist.

    Here’s the SEIU acknowledging that very leftist SEIU members are – and I quote – “f-ing rabidly racist.” I take the SEIU at its word.

    Here are leftists calling for the black SCOTUS justice Clarence Thomas to be “strung up” and “sent back to the fields.”

    Here’s anti-Semitism coming from the very leftist Occupy movement you champion. And of course it is irrelevant that this movement you champion here is also composed of openly Nazi, communist, socialist, and even violent jihadist elements.

    But let’s go ahead and talk about “American racists” as though they are “conservatives.”

    Oh, and why bother to offer up evidence of your charges? When just the charge itself is enough for you?

    From there, you proceed to fabricate a straw man argument. You say, “Your error here is in equating the Democratic Party with liberals, which has not always been the case.” As though somehow that were at the heart or even a part of my argument against Democrats. The fact that the Democrat Party came under the chosen leadership of extremely liberal Nancy Pelosi and the MOST liberal president we have ever seen, or that the Democrat Party now has seventy members who are actual self-confirmed SOCIALISTS is an inconvenient truth which apparently can’t be considered in your mind.

    But I know what you can do; you can throw up a fartgas bomb that will make that reality all go away.

    You demand an answer to this question, so I will give it to you: “Kindly explain how it was not “conservative” to want to “conserve” slavery or the segregation of the races.”

    Not that hard, actually. Are we commanded to be racist and deem people inferior according to the color of their skin in the Bible? Absolutely not. Is the Constitution of the United States of America a document that erects a racist understanding? No. And so someone who is trying to CONSERVE these great documents supposed to find racism in there which does not exist? No.

    So ALL you have to offer me as “evidence” is a rather trivial question, versus the documentation of a HUNDRED YEARS OF RACISM by the Democrat Party and their terrorist wing the Ku Klux Klan which I presented (and which you dismissed out of hand as “actually very little of substance.”

    I hope others will be able to see why you are going to join your friend in getting banned from my site. You offer NOTHING but sneering dismissal of facts and arguments when you never bother to even TRY to refute what I presented. You offer ZERO facts of your own, but merely ask me some stupid question that is all-too-easy to answer in PLACE of any facts or presentation of history. And I’m apparently supposed to get myself bogged down in an endless discussion with a trivial mind or else be responsible for stifling freedom of speech. That’s your posture.

    But I always try to be thorough in dealing with the arguments of fools I am about to block. I want to give your “analysis” a fair hearing before I throw you out of my house, after all. So I’ll go on.

    You say:

    Your portrayal of the Occupy movement is confirmation bias run rampant. You automatically see police actions in Oakland, Atlanta and elsewhere as evidence of demonstrator violence. You don’t even for a moment question or examine this conclusion, despite the numerous accounts – many accompanied by video and photographic evidence – which say that police responded excessively at best and may have actually instigated the violence at worst.

    This again gets back to the heart of why I despise and ridicule people like you. You offer not one single scintilla of documentation to support your assertion. You wave your hand at a charge that the going on 3,000 arrests (AGAIN VERSUS ZERO FOR THE TEA PARTY) must somehow be primarily due to police brutality. Evidence? YOU DON’T NEED IT; THE CHARGE ITSELF IS ENOUGH FOR YOU.

    And now I’m supposed to do what? Spin my wheels for the next half hour to put up the actaul facts that you could care less about??? No thanks. I just block people like you instead. You are a complete waste of my time.

    Let’s put the shoe on the other foot for just a second. Pretend you weren’t a left wing ideologue for just a second: the Tea Party was characterized on all mainstream media and Democrat Party fronts as being both violent and racist. It didn’t matter that there was virtually zero of either; THE CHARGE ITSELF WAS ENOUGH FOR THEM. Just try to imagine what a fair-minded person (I know this is impossible for you) would have made of THREE THOUSAND ARRESTS and people having their skulls cracked due to bottles and rocks being thrown and crime skyrocketing around Tea Party protests. Imagine Tea Party protestors defecating on police cars. Imagine urine and feces stench and giant piles of trash emanating from Tea Party protest sites. And tell me the left would ignore all that.

    You would do that if there was any “fairness” or “objectivity” whatsoever inside of you. But there isn’t.

    How about instead of my assuming the police are evil I remember the unending charges of PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU about the Tea Party being violent when there weren’t ANY arrests of Tea Party protestors and consider the out-of-control mob that is not only being arrested in shocking numbers for acts of rampant civil disobedience but are literally committing judicial terrorism by threatening to shut down the entire justice system if society tries to deal with them justly as civil societies are supposed to do?

    It’s not just the sheer overwhelming weight of numbers between a completely innocent political conservative movement with no arrests versus a completely guilty liberal movement with THOUSANDS of arrests; think of William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn – two DEMOCRATS who gave Obama his political start by hosting a fundraiser for him in their home. You know, after being terrorists who bombed police stations and military sites. And William Ayers’ terrrorist Weatherman buddy Jeff Jones is another liberal in good standing serving at the head of liberal organizations such as the Movement for a Democratic Society. Then there are elected Democrats like Bobbie Rush, who were members of the violent political group the Black Panthers who are now revered public servants in good standing.

    Show me the violent Republicans who are held in esteem by conservatives after targeting America with violence. I beg you.

    You end by bringing up the Columbine killers as if I’m supposed to not consider that these two atheist products of government schools is somehow my conservative side’s fault. Which is simply on-its-face-stupid.

    You’re right. I was upset at the liberal potrayals of the Tea Party as a bunch of violent maniacs. BECAUSE UNLIKE THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUBSTANTIATE SUCH CHARGES. Just as I am upset that you toss that in as some kind of moral equivalence; that somehow just because the Tea Party with zero arrests were falsely maligned by your side that I can’t say anything against YOUR side now when there are going on 3,000 arrests to prove MY charges. Because again and again, the evidence and the facts simply don’t matter to you.

    After all your lecturing me about my narrow-mindedness, you end with the following:

    I’ll leave you to your black-and-white world now, as I’m not going to be changing your mind with anything I’ve written here. But you wanted something “meaningful”

    I’m the only one living in a black-and-white world, am I??? You’ve seriously never looked in a mirror and actually saw yourself in your entire life, have you? And it is just so refreshing to find in you someone who thinks his commentary is just so “meaningful” that he enlightens the damn planet every time he speaks or writes. And then you end your Sermon on the Mount by self-righteously pontificating to me that I can still be a “conservative” somehow if I throw out my worldview. Because, after all, you hover so majestically and transcendently above it all – just like Obama – and you alone see the forest for the trees. And you alone get to decide what is acceptable discourse. And of course you shouldn’t have to offer facts or document any of your claims because, really, after all, THE CHARGES THEMSELVES ARE ENOUGH for people like you.

    I am not out to change the minds of fools like yourself, “Dr Dreadful.” And I’m not going to waste any more of my time dealing with your idiotic assertions given that you feel no compulsion to either deal with the facts and arguments I present (aside from dismissive hand-wavings) or bother to present any of your own documentation to support your many assertions.

    I challenged you to deal with my arguments – THE WAY I JUST INTERACTED WITH ALL OF YOURS, btw – and you failed the test. You are not worth having a discussion with, particularly since you’ll just post again and again and again to waste my time.

    And I have already wasted more than enough time on William’s and your constantly unsubstantiated fact-free drivel.

  7. Michael Eden Says:

    Let me go on to say one more thing about the Occupy movement versus the Tea Party movement.

    The Tea Party movement overwhelmingly believes in God. There is a higher law, a higher morality and a better way than government or the size and power of government. And if the way of God conflicts with the way of government, we exercise our right to influence and change the government.

    Not so the left or the Occupy movement. Government is all there is.

    And here’s where the Occupy movement and the left itself is fundamentally inchoherent and hypocritical.

    If you don’t believe in God and the moral absolutes that are possible ONLY with the existence of God, then government truly is all there is. What determines right and wrong? Government. What else? Nothing. Morality is relative, and the government decides what morality is in the area under its sphere of control.

    So if you think that way, how can you then change the morality of the government? Government decides right from wrong, and you’re not the government; you’re just a rabble of people pooping in the city square like a particularly filthy species of pidgeon.

    What is the transcendent source of objective morality that you on the left are appealing to as you seek to change the morality of the government? What objective moral law stands above the United States of America and holds it accountable?

    Nothing, for you.

    Which is why you leftists are defined by hypocrisy.

    I think of the Nazis. When Hitler and the Nazi Party were rising to power, they openly embraced the avant garde and homesexuality (Hitler’s SA was FILLED with homosexuality) and everything that threatened the existing culture. Why? Because the Nazis wanted to overturn that culture and impose their own.

    But when the Nazis came to power, suddenly THEY were the established order. And they ruthlessly crushed anything that threatened their “order.”

    That is fundamentally inchoherent and hypocritical, but that is all the left EVEN THEORETICALLY has.

    There is no God who determines objective right from wrong in the ideology of the left. There is nothing above man and the institutions that man erects to hold individual man morally accountable. So when the left tries to transform society – and they are CONSTANTLY agitating to radically transform society – just what is it that they are appealing to aside from their own pursuit of power? And then when they succeed in getting their way, they ruthlessly oppress anyone (abortion opponents punished like gangsters under RICO) who opposes their agenda.

    Just like the Nazis, who have unsurprisingly joined the Occupy movement.

  8. Anonymous Says:

    .The Left-Right wing politics is a false dichotomy. Most people think there’s such a thing. Truth is we’re all inside a single petri dish being manipulated by the same group of people and family lines since history.

    The so-called Left-Right political spectrum is their creation. It accurately reflects their careful, artificial polarization of the
    population on phony issues that prevent the issue of their power from arising in our minds. The Left supports civil liberties and opposes economic or entrepreneurial liberty. The Right supports economic liberty and opposes civil liberty. Of course neither can exist fully (which is the manipulator’s goal) without the other. They control the Right-Left conflict such that both forms of liberty are suppressed to the degree they require. The manipulators’ liberty to control you freely rests not on legal or moral “rights,” but on their control of the government bureaucracy and courts which apply the complex, subjective regulations they dupe the public into supporting for their benefit.

    Most activists today are sell-outs and planted. So beware of whatever they propagandize. Screen it, not once but 22 times.

    Innumerable meaningless conflicts are propagandized in your headlines to divert the attention of the public from the manipulators operations. They find fertile ground in the bitter hatreds of the Right/Left imbroglio. Right and Left are irreconcilable on racial policy, treatment of criminals, law enforcement, foreign policy, women’s lib, and censorship to name just a few issues. Although censorship in the name of “fairness” has been useful in broadcasting and may yet be required in journalism, they generally do not take sides in these issues. Instead, they attempt to prolong the conflicts by supporting both sides as required. War, of course, is the ultimate diversionary conflict and the health of their systemic control. War provides the perfect cover of emergency and crisis behind which they consolidate their power. Since nuclear war presents dangers even to them, more and more they have resorted to economic crisis, energy shortages, ecological hysteria, and managed political drama to fill the gap. Meaningless, brushfire wars, though, remain useful.

    (ALL of which are total BS because we have solutions for all that, which they are unwilling to entertain and have actively suppressed instead, because it sweeps their power and manipulation of society towards the trash bin. So, whenever you read your papers propagandize these problems, either your government is simply idiotic or it’s trying to manipulate you into something.)

    They promote phony free enterprise on the Right and phony democratic socialism on the Left. Thus, they obtain a “free enterprise” whose “competition” is carefully regulated by the bureaucracy they control and whose nationalized enterprises are controlled directly through our government. In this way they maintain a society in which the basis of their power, legal titles to property and money, remain secure, but in which the peril of free, unregulated competition is avoided and popular sovereignty is nullified. The democratic process is a sitting duck for their money power. Invariably, they determine the candidates of the major parties and then proceed to pick the winners. Any attempts at campaign reforms simply put the rules of the game more firmly under our (their) government’s control.

    The Right has such a fear of the Left’s dream of democratic collectivism and the Left such a hatred for what it sees as the Right’s elitist, rugged individualism that there is little danger that they will ever join forces to overturn the manipulators’ government-backed monopolies even though they violate the ideals of both left and right.

  9. wotsdscore Says:

    The Left-Right wing politics is a false dichotomy.A tool for the manipulation for those that believe they have a handle on things – Most people think there’s such a thing. Truth is we’re all inside a single petri dish being manipulated by the
    the ruling class Elites,essentially since way back in history.
    A major turning point being 1694-With the formation of the privately-owned Bank of England.
    in 1694, economic slavery to a privately-owned “central” bank was first forced upon an entire nation,It has not been removed since- for three centuries to our present day. Moreover nation after nation has fallen prey to this cabal of international central bankers over the years.
    The power to create money granted unlimited wealth to the bankster,s,and with it an ability to buy unlimited political
    influence.
    Financiers and bankers have covertly funded both sides in both World Wars and many other conflicts before and since.Having profited from war leaving nations with massive debts and more beholden than ever to them, the banks then fund reconstruction.Sound familiar ?
    There are may other examples -of course but suffice to say -it is
    this vain attempt to escape debt that is the cause of so much of humanity’s destructive impact upon the world’s climate and environment
    .How did this happen you may ask ?-
    How did the banksters gain this oppressive power of charging interest on mere (computer)entries?
    To put it in simple terms –
    they lobbied,bribed,cajoled,bullied,and hoodwinked our politicians into giving it to them !
    America lost its battle with the financial terrorism of the Banksters in 1913 with the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank(its about as federal as federal express).Since that time-Income tax was forced upon the American people to pay of the interest on the money (created out of thin air by fractional reserve banking)loaned from the Banksters-in a sense you are nothing better than indentured workers.

    A quote from one of the wealthiest men in England in the 1920,s and a director of the (privately owned “)Bank of England(this is no “dirty hippy saying” this-it came
    from -but someone in the know !)

    “Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin… Bankers own the earth. Take

    it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of the pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again…
    Take this great power away from them and all theire great fortunes will disappear and they ought to disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in… But, if
    you want to be the slaves of the bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.”

    Sir Josiah Stamp (A director of the Bank of England in the 1920s)

    The present entirely fraudulent money system is in place due to widespread ignorance. The right to create money belongs to the people and it is the duty of the state to exercise this right for their benefit. Instead, the bonanza of money
    creation has been handed over to private bankers by politicians and with that goes the power to purchase political influence.It should be abolished just as slavery was
    abolished. But it won’t happen until the public understands the magnitude of this hidden injustice and screams for it to change !!!

    Its time you woke up educate yourself !!!

    The so-called Left-Right political spectrum is a creation of the ruling classes. It

    accurately reflects their careful, artificial polarization of the population on

    phony issues that prevent the issue of their power from arising in our minds. The

    Left supports civil liberties and opposes economic or entrepreneurial liberty. The

    Right supports economic liberty and opposes civil liberty. Of course neither can

    exist fully (which is the manipulator’s goal) without the other. They control the

    Right-Left conflict such that both forms of liberty are suppressed to the degree

    they require. The manipulators’ liberty to control you freely rests not on legal or

    moral “rights,” but on their control of the government bureaucracy and courts which

    apply the complex, subjective regulations they dupe the public into supporting for

    their benefit.

    Most activists today are sell-outs and planted. So beware of whatever they

    propagandize. Screen it, not once but 22 times.

    Innumerable meaningless conflicts are propagandized in your headlines to divert the

    attention of the public from the manipulators operations. They find fertile ground

    in the bitter hatreds of the Right/Left imbroglio. Right and Left are irreconcilable

    on racial policy, treatment of criminals, law enforcement, foreign policy, women’s

    lib, and censorship to name just a few issues. Although censorship in the name of

    “fairness” has been useful in broadcasting and may yet be required in journalism,

    they generally do not take sides in these issues. Instead, they attempt to prolong

    the conflicts by supporting both sides as required. War, of course, is the ultimate

    diversionary conflict and the health of their systemic control. War provides the

    perfect cover of emergency and crisis behind which they consolidate their power.

    Since nuclear war presents dangers even to them, more and more they have resorted to

    economic crisis, energy shortages, ecological hysteria, and managed political drama

    to fill the gap. Meaningless, brushfire wars, though, remain useful.

    (ALL of which are total BS because we have solutions for all that, which they are

    unwilling to entertain and have actively suppressed instead, because it sweeps their

    power and manipulation of society towards the trash bin. So, whenever you read your

    papers propagandize these problems, either your government is simply idiotic or it’s

    trying to manipulate you into something.)

    They promote phony free enterprise on the Right and phony democratic socialism on

    the Left. Thus, they obtain a “free enterprise” whose “competition” is carefully

    regulated by the bureaucracy they control and whose nationalized enterprises are

    controlled directly through our government. In this way they maintain a society in

    which the basis of their power, legal titles to property and money, remain secure,

    but in which the peril of free, unregulated competition is avoided and popular

    sovereignty is nullified. The democratic process is a sitting duck for their money

    power. Invariably, they determine the candidates of the major parties and then

    proceed to pick the winners. Any attempts at campaign reforms simply put the rules

    of the game more firmly under our (their) government’s control.

    The Right has such a fear of the Left’s dream of democratic collectivism and the

    Left such a hatred for what it sees as the Right’s elitist, rugged individualism

    that there is little danger that they will ever join forces to overturn the

    manipulators’ government-backed monopolies even though they violate the ideals of both left and right.

    Btw As far as I understand the bulk of OWS despise Obama and the Democrats as much as they despise the Republicans.

  10. wotsdscore Says:

    Look to who your real enemys are than this false left right dichotomy
    Maybe one of Americas founders say it best
    “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
    liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
    Thomas Jefferson, (Attributed)
    3rd president of US (1743 – 1826)

    Charging interest on money created out of nothing is, in the main, unjust and immoral, and Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, the Bible (Deuteronomy 23:19), the Koran (2:275-278), the Catholic Church at various times, many codes of law and most writers on morals have condemned it for more than two thousand years. The historical name for this evil is usury. Nevertheless bankers enjoy peace of mind because they know that the public thinks they merely lend out the savings of their depositors.
    In fact, banks create more than 95 percent of all deposits, for when a bank creates a loan it simultaneously creates a deposit. What banks do to justify the accusation of systematic economic exploitation is to lend out interest-bearing money of their own creation using a very thin sliver of legal tender (cash) to back it up.
    How did the banks gain this oppressive power of charging interest on mere computer entries? Very simply they lobbied and hoodwinked our politicians into giving it to them !
    Before World War II cash reserves of 1:10 had been the norm in practice. This meant that if you deposited $100 of cash in a bank, the banking system (though not that one bank) would eventually use that $100 to create up to $900 of credit. That credit shows up in their books as $900 of interest-bearing loans (assets), and $900 of deposits (liabilities). Note that credit is not cashbut it’s money nonetheless because you can buy things with it as long as the bank honours your cheques.
    not one person in a hundred grasps the fact that our government permits private banks to create about 95 percent of our money supply bringing huge profits to them and endless debt to us. Nowadays the big profits lie in government bonds, currency speculation, the stock market, and derivatives; and banks, with their power of money creation, are up to their eyeballs in all four. But there’s always a day of reckoning. History teaches us that banks are forever finding new ways to commit financial suicide, and when they do they bring the public down with them. in 1998 In South East Asia, Russia and Latin America, national economies were plundered and millions impoverished, almost overnight, through the deliberate manipulation of “free” market forces.
    Now that our money supply has been essentially privatized, how can we free ourselves from this sly form of economic tyranny? In the three quotes below a famous American president, a famous Canadian prime minister, and a governor of the Bank of England in the 1920s tell us exactly what needs to be done. Unfortunately, there’s never been a reform of the banking system while the banks were in the driver’s seat. They must first be rendered helpless by an economic collapse. When that blow comes two facts should be etched in our minds:
    1) A government can lend interest-free money into existence by borrowing from its own bank, The BoC, or, it can borrow interest-bearing money into existence by borrowing from privately owned banks. (Unfortunately The BoC has become a puppet of the financial elite, despite its mandate to serve the interests of all Canadians.)”
    2) A government that borrows with interest from private banks, when it can create its own interest-free money, is a government of idiots or thieves.
    Unfortunately, the human mind finds it easier to believe a lie it’s heard a hundred times before than to believe a truth it’s hearing for the first time. the chartered banks, in collusion with The complicity of our government, are riding on the backs of the citizens . The right to create money belongs to the people and it is the sacred duty of the state to exercise this right for their benefit. Instead, the bonanza of money creation has been handed over to private bankers by politicians.”
    Thomas Jefferson

    Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most conspicuous and sacred responsibility, all talk of sovereignty of Parliament and of democracy is idle and futile… Once a nation parts with control of its credit, it matters not who makes the nation’s laws… Usury once in control will wreck any nation.
    William Lyon Mackenzie King

    These global elites and financial terrorists are your true masters and enemy -don,t waste your energy on getting worked up on a diversion-educate and inform yourselfs -its the only way !!!

  11. wotsdscore Says:

    One final point-the occupy movement is spread over 1000 city,s in over 87 countries worldwide and growing !-The Tea party movement in comparison is limited only to the USA-.There are an awful lot of people angry all over the world-they sense they are being screwed-they just don,t know how yet!When the penny finally drops-all hell will break loose !

  12. RS Says:

    This is why I always read the comments, where you really get a chance to go in-depth, Michael, and demonstrate how your morals and ideals shape your thinking on just basically everything that comes your way (whether or not everyone agrees). Your consistency and dedication to Truth are always refreshing aspects for me to read when most of what I hear and read reflect the decadence and moral relativity that has become so prevalent in American society (and Western society in general).

    Keep preaching the Truth, Michael!

  13. Michael Eden Says:

    The right and the left want the same thing?

    Were you for ObamaCare or against it? Is there a difference between health care dominated by the government versus health care dominated by a private sector? You see, I think there’s a very big difference.

    How about the stimulus: was there no difference to you whatsoever between Obama and liberals spending $862 billion and Obama and liberals not spending anything? Because Obama wanted to spend all that money and MORE; the “right” said no. So apparently there is actually zero difference between $862 billion and $0.00. Who would have thought?

    It goes on and on. Hey, is there a difference between the government taking over our children’s education such that parents and communities have no rights whatsoever whether or not to instill religious values in their own children and in their own communities versus parents and communities having such rights?

    Because ALL public sector employees are members of unions these days – and therefore LIBERAL and demanding more and more money from the pig trough of government spending – you’re “right”; there is little difference. But that is only because liberals have embedded themselves into everything like the cockroaches they truly are.

  14. Michael Eden Says:

    Thanks, RS.

    It’s nice to know you’ve got someone in your corner encouraging you between rounds!

  15. Michael Eden Says:

    I agree with that.

    And that’s because the Tea Party was a uniquely American phenonemon based on American values and led by American patriots.

    And the Occupy movement is a socialist leftist Marxist “Workers of the world unite” globalist movement.

    I prefer America. And would the rest of you please get the hell out of my country and go to North Korea where you and your worldview belong.

  16. wotsdscore Says:

    None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    There you go again with youre left righ dichotomy,again.
    You are barking up the wrong tree !!
    I,m beginning to think you have a closed mind-incapable of processing what I,m saying!!!
    For the last time-I dont give about hoot about Obama and the Democrats-they are just as bad as the Republicans-maybe worse even!!!
    Republicans ,Democrats-they are just two cheeks of the same controlled backside-
    Marionnettes of the same monetary interests-go ahead knock yourself out
    with with this left right BS !!!
    The present state of affairs has similaritys more akin to Benito Mussolinis Republican Fascist Party Ideology-(it was the successor of former National Fascist Party as an anti-monarchist party. It considered King Victor Emmanuel III to be a traitor after he had signed the surrender to the Allied powers).
    A merger of Corporate and state power-but its worse !!!

    And though it is basically an economic problem, no Politician,Media pundit,financial analyst or establishment economist will mention it either.
    (Neither it appears will you !) They must be aware of it. They could not fail to be aware of it. But, it seems, there is a protocol which has to be obeyed, and anyone who infringes upon it runs the risk of drastically reduced horizons.

    For the rest, it remains both prudent and profitable to repeat the standard line on garbled economics and bask in the approval of their editors/superiors. As a result their chosen profession, for all its pretentious profile and computerised technology, can now offer nothing of promise or uplift in the affairs of humankind.

    It is “a monopoly of credit” in the hands of the private banking industry.

    All monopolies are potentially evil. For that reason they generally encounter severe attack and criticism, save this one supreme and privileged monopoly which embraces and presides over all the others, and throughout the centuries has drawn so much power and patronage unto itself, that otherwise responsible and principled people appear afraid even to mention it, lest it should destroy them.

    So what is this taboo, this prohibited concept, so fraught with menace and so awe-inspiring that even the most principled people of affairs are reluctant to mention it, lest it should damage their careers?

    Quite simply, and in a word, it is Debt!

    More explicitly, National Debt; the manner in which the this country like all other countries, gets its supplies of new money as an interest-bearing loan from the banking system!

    The idea of credit creation by Government has already been used effectively on several well-documented historical occasions.

    In 1865 Abraham Lincoln himself ordered the creation of 460 million dollars to finance the latter stages of the American Civil War.

    In August 1914 Lloyd George, then Chancellor of the Exchequer, printed 300 million pounds sterling to rescue the British banks from a war-induced liquidity crisis.

    And from 1911 to 1923 Sir Denison Miller, Governor of the Australian Commonwealth Bank, made regular issues of debt-free Government money to preside over the most prosperous period in his country’s history.

    Given that these and similar recorded instances of State-created debt-free money were successful, the next obvious question is to ask why they were not perpetuated. And the short answer is that banking opposition was already too formidable.

    Lincoln was murdered in his hour of triumph, Lloyd George was forced to issue Treasury War Loan at 3.5% interest,and the Australian concept of a people’s bank did not long survive the death of its founder in 1923.

    The bankers maintained that creating credit at will, without debts to be paid back or interest to be levied, can become reckless and undisciplined, resulting in inflation and a debauching of the currency. In certain conditions that can be so, and we should be aware of it. But let us also consider the consequences of following the bankers’ protocol, and accepting that all new money be created as an interest-bearing debt upon the community.

    These consequences are all about us. They are seen today in the economic cut-backs that governments are adopting right across the hemisphere to meet some convergence criteria and cut their public spending.

    Thus a thousand and one social and economic factors are bound up in this Big Issue of the Debt. Social deprivation itself, skills rotting in idleness, chronic poverty, hunger and want in the midst of plenty, all have their origins in the distortions and needless disciplines that are forced upon us by the Debt.

    This problem debt, spiralling, uncontrollable National Debt which costs billions per annum just to cover the interest payments. If we face up to that problem, instead of concealing it behind silence, we will need some radical departure from the prevailing practices.

    We need to break the bankers’ credit monopoly, and establish a non-inflationary procedure whereby an elected government can create a proportion of its own new money.

    Promptly, we are told by the banking lobby that it just cannot be, that debt-free money is vastly inflationary, and that the only “sound” money is bank money, borrowed at interest.

    But ironically the facts of economic history tell otherwise,it is only within a debt-money system that chronic inflation has ever occurred, beginning with the first recorded inflation which destroyed ancient Babylon 4,000 years ago.

    So a radical solution must put a cap on National Debt, end Government borrowing, restore pride and responsibility of office to our elected politicians, and do it all without causing inflation, or disruption of our markets and banking system.
    For example-
    we could simply create the money necessary to pay the interest on the National Debt, instead of, at present, having to borrow even more to pay the interest!

    However, the essential point to grasp is that we must promote the principle that the Government can and should — through a democratically accountable State authority — create a proportion of the money supply.

    It is not for us to argue over the exact technicalities, but to get that principle firmly established.
    The Debt issue, should be dominating both the economic and the political debates in Election .

    Not this endless left right sideshow !!!

  17. wotsdscore Says:

    Before you make the assumption that I sit on the left of your Left/Right worldview and launch into another diatribe on the merits of Conservatism (Latin: conservare, “to preserve”) over Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, “of freedom”)
    I just want to point out yet again-I despise Both Partys -Democrats and Republicans.(And what passes for Independent is not any better.)
    And the reason for that is-because they are ALL beholden to the same “PRIVATE” interests.
    ALL the current political parties are beholden to these same interests.
    Its breaking that stranglehold you should be concerned with-(getting all hot under the collar like that retard Anne Coulter,will get you nowhere !)
    Freeing ourselves from the yoke of economic slavery to the private interests -that hold the true reigns of power-is the issue that should concern you-not this stupendous and useless waste of Energy on the Left/Right political sideshow BS.
    Do some research-for gods sake !!!
    A few crumbs from the table(trickledown economics)and the appearance-of Democracy-is not realy a substitute for the real thing -now is it?

    What Thomas Jefferson said nearly 3 centurys ago has come to pass”

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
    Thomas Jefferson(1743 – 1826)

    A true patriot would heed his words !!!

  18. wotsdscore Says:

    The tea Party movement and the Occupy movement-have the same
    common enemy(Though many do not seem to know it)-the downgrading and subversion of the democratic process,by control of the monopoly of credit and money creation for the sole profit of private interests !

    Your political reprasentatives are owned lock ,stock and barrell

    Virtually all U.S. senators, and nearly all of the representatives in the House,as well as a good part of the judiciary are members of the top 1 percent when they arrive, they are kept in office by money from the top 1 percent, and know that if they serve the interests of the top 1 percent well they will be rewarded by the top 1 percent when they leave office…(that goes for most other so called democracys also).W. It should not make jaws drop that a tax bill cannot emerge from Congress unless big tax cuts are put in place for the wealthy. Given the power of the top 1 percent, this is the way you would expect the system to work.Jailing the lot (Dems.Repubs,Independents -the lot)land making them pay reparations for the damage and criminality caused would be a good start!
    this Monpoly on money creation that is in the hands of private interests and financial terrorists-affects many other aspects of our lives other than just the National debt!

    Money is simply a token, which enables people to exchange their goods and services without the complications of bartering. High-sounding clap-trap which masquerades as economic theory is just smokescreens and mirrors to fool us into thinking that the way it is, and that is the way it should be.BS !!!

    When government complains that it can’t afford to spend on health, education and public services such as public transport,Schools,infrastructure, new roads and road maintenance,etc it is telling the worst kind of lie. Government could and should create and spend whatever money is needed for the smooth running of the society.

    People do not want to be up to their eyeballs in debt, to work harder and harder and be flung headlong into some uncertain future. If we had democratic control over the money supply, we could determine our own work patterns, and decide for ourselves the rate and quality of progress. This would be economic democracy, and at present we’re being denied it. None of the big political parties seeks the remedy.

    A fundamental reform of the money supply is needed urgently.

    The current global economic crisis we are in demonstrates the extent to which we are dependent upon the corporate banking system not only for our means of exchange, but for the entire health of our economy and everything that implies for our very day-to-day existence!

    The health of our public economy is being made to depend upon the health of our corporate for profit, privately-owned banking system!

    We need to put the economic horse before the banking cart again!

    Putting debt-free money into circulation is the single basic reform capable of transforming the prospects of every person in this country, including yourself and your family.

    We are constantly told that we must choose between low taxation and good public services: but this is just not true. It is only in an economy based on systemic debt that we are forced to make this unnecessary choice.

    But until we insist on reform of the present insane financial system, we will continue to be taxed “until the pips squeak”!.

    The Problem is NONE of the political partys will ever bring up this topic-
    they are reluctant to mention it, lest it should damage their careers?

    So that leaves it up to the people-to demand change from our politicians-doesnt it

    “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their Powers
    from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of
    Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right
    of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a
    New Government….it is their Right, it is their Duty, to
    throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards? for
    their future Security.”
    — Thomas Jefferson

  19. wotsdscore Says:

    You need to do some research and learn to channell that venom you have for the left-to the true tormentors of the American people -The Private cartels-the financial terrorists that pull the strings of government behind the curtain!Hell it reminds me of the wizard in the wizard of OZ !
    It was all a con in OZ and its a con here also !
    Educate yourself;
    Watch Money as debt or The money masters – both are good documentarys.on the subject
    The “American Dream” is also a good animated docu and designed so even a simpleton can understand it !

    A lquick history lesson to start you on your journey
    And a few quotes from Politicians talking about the Federal Reserve system-who saw thru the scam that it was!!!

    “Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the privately owned Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States” — Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

    “This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized….the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill.” — Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

    “The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny…” — Congressman
    Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941

    “A great industrial nation is controlled by it’s system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world–no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.” — President Woodrow Wilson

    We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications, whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”David Rockefeller, 1991

    In the Federal reserve banks own words :
    “Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a ‘dollar’ bill is just
    a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries.” — Modern Money Mechanics Workbook,
    Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975

    “Here are the card-carrying shareholders in the `Federal’ Reserve Corporation: Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin, Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris, Isreal, Moses Sieff Banks Of Italy, Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam, Lehman Brothers Bank of new York, Kuhn Loeb Bank Of New York, Chase Manhattan Bank Of New York, Goldman Sachs Bank Of New York.”

    “In the United States, in particular, the ability of the upper and upper-middle classes to dominate the marketplace of ideas has generally allowed these strata to shape the entire society’s perception of political reality and the range of realistic political and social possibilities. While westerners usually equate the marketplace with freedom of opinion, the hidden hand of the market can be almost as potent an instrument of control as the iron fist of the state.”

    The “free press” envisioned by our forefathers is now owned and corporate-controlled by the same few hands who control our central bank. With capital controlling both money and media it results in a nearly insurmountable oligarchy, and removes the people from effective power over their lives. Only the internet remains today to allow people to find out the truth of their captivity, and work together to emerge from neo-slavery and corporate-state propaganda.

    Despite the people’s rights, wants, and needs, real banking reform remains problematic due to the fact that oligarchy, enclosure, and capital’s political corruption have proceeded to the point where not only banking and key governmental posts but money-dependent politicians and major media sources have become organs of capital – with balance and fairness a thing of the past(FOX news is a prime example of this). As a result, legislatures filled with capital-dependent, re-electable, politicians, now cower before capital’s media and fail to represent the vast, wage-earning, majority. In short, the Fourth Estate has become the First.

    Heard any media debate on a public central bank lately? Ever?

    Know the persons who own your central bank and major media?

    Know the results of a Fed audit?

    Know where the gold in “Fort Knox” is? The Amount?

    Know why the Fed has an exemption from the Freedom of information Act?

    Wherever democracy is left is so eviscerated and fraudulent it can only fail and necessary reforms cannot emerge.. It is the primary reason ruling oligarchies emerge and lead to monetary excesses fed and bred by their private central banks.

    So all this talk of Left and Right politics is just so much Hogwash!
    The financial oligarchy thrive on this division and will control the state so long as it persists !
    I personally have no faith whatsoever in ANY of the political parties as they have been co-opted long ago !the system is dysfunctional and needs to be corrected

    Waving around the minutae of microeconomics is not impressive and certainly not persuasive !,(especially economics that are based on a flawed system and premise in the first place)
    you would better serve your countrymen by directing your bile hatred and venom for the left -at your economic and social overlords instead-The Bankster,s(play on Gangsters,Lol!)and financial oligarchs that really pull the strings and levers of power.
    Educate yourself-knowledge is power !!!

  20. wotsdscore Says:

    Sorry but I forgot to ask you this question before-
    Where do YOU stand on this issue ?
    Should the monetary system-
    (I.e the issuance and creation of money out of thin air by the act of fractional reserve banking)be in the hands of Private interests-and operated for thiere sole profit ?-
    or should there be a debt free currency issued – in the hands of the people -by way of our elected,transparent and accountable government ?
    (no such government exist like that at the moment unfortunately-YET !!!)?
    Do you stand with the people or the Oligarchs ?
    An intelligent response that doesnt involve ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments would be appreciated,
    (No left/right BS please-I am NOT a Democrat,Independent,Republican or Anarchist))

  21. Michael Eden Says:

    Wotsdcore,

    You said,

    “Before you make the assumption that I sit on the left of your Left/Right worldview and launch into another diatribe on the merits of Conservatism (Latin: conservare, “to preserve”) over Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, “of freedom”)
    I just want to point out yet again-I despise Both Partys -Democrats and Republicans.(And what passes for Independent is not any better.)”

    I don’t have to make any assumptions as to whether you are to the left or the right of me; and frankly your own paragraph there kind of tips the scale for me.

    First of all, I’ve argued with people like you before “who hate both parties and both ideologies equally.” Apart from what I already said to you (that there is a HUGE difference between the parties – and frankly the problem we have today is that nothing can get done BECAUSE the parties are so far apart ideologically), I submit that when you split off from the two-party system, you do nothing more than help the party that is more different from your ideology win.

    You also say – in your fourth rambling comment of the day:

    Sorry but I forgot to ask you this question before-
    Where do YOU stand on this issue ?
    Should the monetary system-
    (I.e the issuance and creation of money out of thin air by the act of fractional reserve banking)be in the hands of Private interests-and operated for thiere sole profit ?-
    or should there be a debt free currency issued – in the hands of the people -by way of our elected,transparent and accountable government ?
    (no such government exist like that at the moment unfortunately-YET !!!)?
    Do you stand with the people or the Oligarchs ?
    An intelligent response that doesnt involve ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments would be appreciated,
    (No left/right BS please-I am NOT a Democrat,Independent,Republican or Anarchist))

    For the record, one of the big things about the fascists/Nazis was that they always represented themselves as a “third way” being neither to the right or to the left. They promised that they would rise above politics and do everything in the name of “the people.” In actuality they were the far right of the extreme left and they were dictators and murderous tyrants.

    I also find it rather amusing that you want an “intelligent response” to what you clearly set up as an incredibly loaded-up straw man question.

    Is our monetary system screwed up? Oh, yes. The Federal Reserve has no business existing. Under this “private” system, the government literally borrows ITS OWN CURRENCY AT AN INTEREST RATE payable to the Fed.

    But who created that system? Republicans and Democrats? No. It was DEMOCRATS. They created it in 1913 under Woodrow Wilson. It was done when most of Congress was away for the Christmas holidays in a frankly vile manner.

    Republicans didn’t create that monster. Why not just blame us for Social Security or ObamaCare too while you’re at it???

    The problem Republicans have at undoing ANY of these godawful things DEMOCRATS have inflicted us and infected us with is that Democrats can use the system after the fact to block anything Republicans can constitutionally do to save us.

    Now, here’s another thing that raises up. You yourself provided the definition of “conservative.” The only way to get what you want is violent revolution and the overthrow of the Constitution whose very founding fathers you cite (although Thomas Jefferson had little to do with the Constitution, having been in France at the time it was created).

    The ONLY way to change the monster that our government has become is to reform the ONLY part that can enact that change from within.

    As long as you remain outside of that, you yourslf would have to throw out the Constitution (and the system of rules that go with it) and impose your solutions like a Fuehrer.

    That, and the following statement which has Thomas Jefferson – whom you keep quoting – spinning in his grave:

    When government complains that it can’t afford to spend on health, education and public services such as public transport,Schools,infrastructure, new roads and road maintenance,etc it is telling the worst kind of lie. Government could and should create and spend whatever money is needed for the smooth running of the society.

    People do not want to be up to their eyeballs in debt, to work harder and harder and be flung headlong into some uncertain future. If we had democratic control over the money supply, we could determine our own work patterns, and decide for ourselves the rate and quality of progress. This would be economic democracy, and at present we’re being denied it. None of the big political parties seeks the remedy.

    What you propose is very little different from what the Nazis or the Marxists proposed: taking over everything in the name of “the Volk” or “the people” and then letting a few of “the people” who get to be more of “the people” than everyone else impose everything. Versus the Constitutional system which our founding fathers gave us in which we elected representatives. Your idea that money should be whatever “the people” (i.e. the STATE when it’s carried out) want it to mean is most certainly NOT what Thomas Jefferson believed in. If you want to find yourself a big government founding father, at least cite the right one (Alexander Hamilton). Because Thomas Jefferson very much favored a limited federal government.

    Are all I need to know that you are most certainly no “conservative” and that you clearly are WAAAAYYYYY to the left of me for the very fact you yourself cited and I quoted you as citing at the top of my response above.

  22. wotsdscore Says:

    That was a rather incoherent ramble -(because you do not have a clue about monetary policy)and as I expected it was filled with hate, ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments but very little substance !
    And your innuendos implying that Im a Nazi are below the belt and stretching credibility a bit !Lol :-)I thought you said I was democrat ?(oh I forgot they are one and the same to you)Make your mind up ! Do you have the ability to comprehend what I am imparting ?- Do you really understand monetary policy at all ?-because your counter argument is what?! what is it exactly ?Business as usual !!!Very patriotic indeed !!!
    Or is it that name calling and accusing people of being closet lefty,s -IS your only counterargument !LMAO –
    And as for your thoughts on social justice in your black and white (or should I say Left/Right )worldview) -well your a throw em to the wolves kind of guy are you not !very humane of you!!! Its enough to make a Nazi blush !!!!Why even bother living in a society in the first place!!!
    And you have the affront to impugn me -dont make me me laugh !!
    !Iwould think Anne coulter or Bill O Reilly would be far-far to the left of you-lol -So I will take your left wing comment with a large pinch of salt !
    Your use of sophistry to paper over a very narrow bigoted worldview was blatant!It was foolish to expect any coherence from you-Juvenile name calling is all you seem to know how to do!(from watching to much FOX news no doubt)
    And as for the volks stateI you imply I support !-it could not be further from the truth-I am proposing nothing of the kind-and you know it-( presuming to put words in my mouth- is a very nasty and rude habit to have)-
    and for the umpteenth time ! -I have no party affiliations I just dont like being conned plus the injustice of having a privately owned for profit-monetary system should be enough to outrage any right minded citizen and patriot anyway !
    But it appears all that is totally fine with you! I
    If Jefferson is spinning in his grave over anything at all-it is at the thought of bigots like you !!!

  23. wotsdscore Says:

    Apologys for the name calling – I should not have stooped to your level-but Im afraid I got a bit carried away !Lol !!!

  24. Michael Eden Says:

    Wotsdscore,

    I note that you assert “that was a rather incoherent ramble” rather than try to actually deal with anything I actually argued. That’s the way to get tossed from my blog for sure.

    I actually kind of like it when people at least try to show why my arguments are wrong rather than wave their hands at them and dismiss them.

    Einstein’s theory, the Constitution and what the heck the Bible are “rather inchorent rambles” too. Let’s just disregard them as well. That way we don’t have to bother to deal with what anybody or any thing says that we don’t like. That’s how the very worst minds operate. Sound minds interact, as I actually did with your ideas, such as they were.

    I never called you a Nazi, and you are truly vile for suggesting that I did. Rather, I pointed out that your project of “standing for the people” and depicting yourself as somehow representing a “third way” that is “neither the right or the left” has been undertaken before. By the Nazis:

    Nazis were first elected deputies to the Reichstag in 1924. These Nazi deputies did not sit on the Right side of the Reichstag or the Left side of the Reichstag, but rather at the back of the chamber, deliberately stating in the political language of the time that the Nazi Party was neither Right nor Left

    And:

    The fascists opposed both international socialism and liberal capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third way. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism

    I don’t call you anything. What I do is demonstrate that your self-righteous posturing and framing has been done before EXACTLY the same way you are doing it here.

    Your denouncing someone who points out such FACTS is, that being said, quite Nazi-like in and of itself.

    I think back to your 11:32 pm comment, when you previously boasted:

    One final point-the occupy movement is spread over 1000 city,s in over 87 countries worldwide and growing !-The Tea party movement in comparison is limited only to the USA-.There are an awful lot of people angry all over the world-they sense they are being screwed-they just don,t know how yet!When the penny finally drops-all hell will break loose !

    I have every right and reason to conclude that you have nothing whatsoever to do with the United States of America or with the values of the founding fathers you disengenuously cite as if they somehow endorsed your project.

    You cited Thomas Jefferson numerous times. Jefferson also said:

    “the comparison of our governments with those of Europe is like a comparison of heaven and hell” — Thomas Jefferson

    He certainly wouldn’t have boasted that a bunch of socialist Europeans liked the Occupy movement, versus just a bunch of Americans who supported the Tea Party, as any kind of grounds for favoring the Tea Party. He would have, in fact, done quite the opposite.

    I’ve given you your say, and given that you are a human fire hose you’ve already said way too much.

    I think, given your last personal attack, that it’s time to say goodbye.

  25. Conservativeteen Says:

    First, I want to thank you for clarifying these difference. I got in an argument with one of my teachers who believes the occupy movement is the greatest thing ever. I tried telling her there have been rapes and a murder linked to the movement, she simply denied it. Typical liberal. I was in DC the other day and happened to come across the protestors there. Unlike the tea party, these people had their faces covered and were screaming things at my friends and I and any of those walking along the sidewalks. I was tempted to tell them I was a tea party member, but I’m sure the outcome would have been unfavorable for me. As a young woman I certainly wished I was old enough to be packing because the sight of them was terrifying. Please keep up the good work! “don’t tread on me”

  26. Michael Eden Says:

    Conservativeteen,

    There have been MULTIPLE rapes at Occupy events.

    Wall Street.

    Cleveland.

    Philadelphia.

    For starters.

    They’re setting up rape-free tents at Occupy events, where women can feel safe from rape – as long as they remain in that tent. Because outside that tent is a different matter.

    Your teacher is a dishonest loon. A dishonest loon for whom facts or truth or reality is simply immaterial.

    You’ve already demonstrated quite a bit of bravery just standing up to your teacher. Please don’t put yourself at physical risk with these dangerous mobs.

    What we’re seeing now proves that the left is the violent,vicious, rabid side.

    I keep saying it: the beast, the Antichrist of Revelation, is coming. You can hear the coming hoofbeats now. And it will be Democrats and liberals who cheer when he comes riding in on that white horse of Revelation 6:1-2.

    Please continue to stand up and show the courage you’ve already demonstrated in ways that won’t put you in physical danger.

  27. pooky Says:

    The pot calling the kettle black is a phrase that springs to mind when reading the comments on this forum !Is this a forum only for preaching to the converted or a forum for honest debate ?-as there seems to be an aversion to any real or honest debate !the host,s main tactic when floundering(which is often)in a debate- is to blame all and everything on Liberals or failing that to employ a shoot the messenger style approach!In short -employing methods that are intellectually bankrupt !
    Theres an old saying
    “Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels”
    That sort of patriotism seems to be on display in abundance on this forum.-Frankly persons who allow their passions to confound the distinctions between right and wrong are almost criminal in nature-as They may be convinced of what they say, but the trouble is they have not come honestly by their convictions.”The moderation and mean spirited comments here could easily fit that category well

    Endless obfuscation-distortion of facts-historical revisionism and blaming all and sundry on the “Liberals”seems to be the order of the day on this forum and hardly warrants being called intelligent and cogent debate-it is the same old tired rhetoric that can be heard from many a snake oil salesmen prevalent on the airwaves or the mainstream media today-. There seems to be a refusal to recognise that the military is bleeding the country dry both literally and fiscally for no real valid reason !The MSM media and military and political class is populated with triumphalists and morons that propogate the rhetoric from conservative and liberal warmongers that its ok to Invade and threaten(usually defenseless) countries on trumped up and manufactured evidence and to kill anyone and everyone on some perceived phantom threat-and that they hate “us” because of our freedoms and not because they hate the imperial foreign policy that routinely imposes western backed dictatorships(Saudi Arabia,Bahrain,Kuwait to name but a few) upon them and will slaughter theire citizenry w with banned (depleted uranium) illegal and immoral weaponery on the flimsiest of pretext
    General Smedley butler a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps,(and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history).Said it best
    in his booklet “War is a racket” which tells of how business interests commercially benefit from warfare!!!
    And to top it all the absurdity of telling uninformed people that the Nazi,s were some sort of Liberals is the most preposterous thing I have heard in a long time.
    Just because they have the word socialist in the name of the party does not make them Liberals or commies as you seem to infer.
    The Nazis were corporatists -in love with the idea of a merger of corporate and political power(much like many extremist right wingers)They had no tolerance for other creeds ,races,religions etc -in short they were bigots !!!
    To conflate them with the ideas that they were some sort of socialist,s(whom I have no love for either)is intellectually dishonest and flat our incorrect !
    That may be the interpretation of Nazism here but not anywhere else on the planet !!!
    I guess in that worldview- The Borgias,The Imperial Ceasars Or Alexander of Macedonia were socialists to !
    I would appeal for a more balanced approach in the moderation on this forum-but I suspect honest and cogent debate is not really the purpose here-.
    but the dispensation of right wing rhetoric is
    So I fear it will fall on willfully deaf ears !
    No doubt a tirade of vitriol and unfactual extremist right wing rhetoric- will be sure to follow !!!

  28. Michael Eden Says:

    Pooky,

    First of all, I notice that you don’t even bother to even so much as CONSIDER my major point: which is that the Occupy movement is utterly vile and violent and rabid in contrast to the Tea Party movement.

    On your side, the Occupy movement has repeated rapes, it has arson, it has violence, it has thousands and thousands of arrests, it has documented terrorism. Not to mention the fact that it has lice and rats and all kinds of disease and filth. Compared to the Tea Party, which somehow managed to follow the law and still got demonized by lying cockroaches such as yourself.

    Why do you bother to talke about “debate” when you refuse to bother to actually debate the basic facts???

    You ignored every single fact I documented, and you call that “debate”?

    Corporatism is another word for fascsim, it is true. But you couldn’t be more wrong in calling it a “merger” of corporate and political power. You dumbass, do you truly think that Adolf Hitler and Rudolf Hess and Heinrich Himmler and Joseph Goebbels were a bunch of corporate CEOs who took over the government? THEY WERE A BUNCH OF SOCIALISTS WHO TOOK OVER THE CORPORATIONS, you fool.

    Let’s see: China went from communism to fascism:

    http://www.tibetwrites.org/?China-Towards-Democracy-or-Fascism

    Jasper Becker, the Beijing Bureau chief of the South China Morning Post has published a detailed analysis of China’s political metamorphosis in a recent article. [3] This is his theory on the genesis of the transformation: “Realizing that the demise of communism deprived the CCP of an ideology and a reason to exist, Jiang (Zemin), Hu (Jintao), and their peers are quietly remaking China into a fascist state bearing a striking resemblance to its ’20s predecessors… the kind of highly nationalistic right-wing dictatorship that emerged in the ’20’s and 30’s in Germany, Spain, Japan, Romania, and most notably Italy. Since at least the late ’80s CCP leaders have instituted economic programs recalling fascist ideas of “planned capitalism.” To complement its economic policies, the CCP has developed a neo-fascist political program of mass rallies, nationalist indoctrination, and party control over private lives.”

    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2010/03/12/2003467801

    With its strong emphasis on technology, the military, strong single-party leadership and a collective national identity that refuses to recognize pluralism, China is displaying increasing — and worrying — symptoms of fascism. From the military parade surrounding the 60th anniversary of the birth of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) on Oct. 1 to forced relocation and assimilation programs targeting ethnic minority groups such as the Uighurs, China is in many ways reminding us of the fascist states that reared their ugly heads in the first half of the previous century.

    On your profoundly dumbass view, China somehow went from the very extreme left to the ultra extreme right – and hardly anybody noticed. And China is now right wing, just like Ronald Reagan.

    You jackass moron.

    Rather, the fact of the matter is that communsism and fascism are both merely TWO RIVAL FORMS OF SOCIALISM – with communism being “international socialism” and fascism being “national socialism.” Such that the difference between the two forms of socialism isn’t all that great at all.

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/why-i-call-obama-a-fascist/

    “Part of the problem in recognizing fascism is the assumption that it is conservative. [Zeev] Sternhell has observed how study of the ideology has been obscured by “the official Marxist interpretation of fascism.” Marxism defines fascism as its polar opposite. If Marxism is progressive, fascism is conservative. If Marxism is left wing, fascism is right wing. If Marxism champions the proletariat, fascism champions the bourgeoisie. If Marxism is socialist, fascism is capitalist.

    The influence of Marxist scholarship has severely distorted our understanding of fascism. Communism and fascism were rival brands of socialism. Whereas Marxist socialism is predicated on an international class struggle, fascist national socialism promoted a socialism centered in national unity. Both communists and fascists opposed the bourgeoisie. Both attacked the conservatives. Both were mass movements, which had special appeal for the intelligentsia, students, and artists, as well as workers. Both favored strong centralized governments and rejected the free economy and the ideals of individual liberty. Fascists saw themselves as being neither of the right nor the left. They believed that they constituted a third force synthesizing the best of both extremes” [Gene Edward Veith, Jr., Modern Fascism: Liquidating the Judeo-Christian Worldview, p. 26].

    In the above article, I also presented the facts about how your “corporatism” really worked:

    The best example of a fascist economy is the regime of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. Holding that liberalism (by which he meant freedom and free markets) had “reached the end of its historical function,” Mussolini wrote: “To Fascism the world is not this material world, as it appears on the surface, where Man is an individual separated from all others and left to himself…. Fascism affirms the State as the true reality of the individual.”

    This collectivism is captured in the word fascism, which comes from the Latin fasces, meaning a bundle of rods with an axe in it. In economics, fascism was seen as a third way between laissez-faire capitalism and communism. Fascist thought acknowledged the roles of private property and the profit motive as legitimate incentives for productivity—provided that they did not conflict with the interests of the state.

    […]

    Mussolini’s fascism took another step at this time with the advent of the Corporative State, a supposedly pragmatic arrangement under which economic decisions were made by councils composed of workers and employers who represented trades and industries. By this device the presumed economic rivalry between employers and employees was to be resolved, preventing the class struggle from undermining the national struggle. In the Corporative State, for example, strikes would be illegal and labor disputes would be mediated by a state agency.

    Theoretically, the fascist economy was to be guided by a complex network of employer, worker, and jointly run organizations representing crafts and industries at the local, provincial, and national levels. At the summit of this network was the National Council of Corporations. But although syndicalism and corporativism had a place in fascist ideology and were critical to building a consensus in support of the regime, the council did little to steer the economy. The real decisions were made by state agencies such as the Institute for Industrial Reconstruction (Istituto per la Ricosstruzione Industriale, or IRI), mediating among interest groups.

    […]

    Mussolini also eliminated the ability of business to make independent decisions: the government controlled all prices and wages, and firms in any industry could be forced into a cartel when the majority voted for it. The well-connected heads of big business had a hand in making policy, but most smaller businessmen were effectively turned into state employees contending with corrupt bureaucracies. They acquiesced, hoping that the restrictions would be temporary. Land being fundamental to the nation, the fascist state regimented agriculture even more fully, dictating crops, breaking up farms, and threatening expropriation to enforce its commands.

    Banking also came under extraordinary control. As Italy’s industrial and banking system sank under the weight of depression and regulation, and as unemployment rose, the government set up public works programs and took control over decisions about building and expanding factories. The government created the Istituto Mobiliare in 1931 to control credit, and the IRI later acquired all shares held by banks in industrial, agricultural, and real estate enterprises.

    The image of a strong leader taking direct charge of an economy during hard times fascinated observers abroad. Italy was one of the places that Franklin Roosevelt looked to for ideas in 1933…

    That isn’t conservatives and Republicans being described, you stupid idiot. It’s the liberals and Democrats. They’ve done ALL of the stuff that the fascists did. AND CONSERVATIVES HAVE FOUGHT THEM AND TRIED TO KEEP THEM FROM DOING IT.

    And btw, I also presented the Nazi Party Platform, so people with half a brain could see how freaking SOCIALIST Nazism was at its core:

    What the Nazis pursued was a form of anti-capitalist anti-conservative communitarianism encapsulated in the concept of Volksgemeinschaft, or “people’s community.”

    From the Nazi Party Platform:

    – The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

    – Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

    – In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

    – We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

    – We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

    – We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

    – We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

    – We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

    – We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

    – We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

    – The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

    – The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

    – We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.

    – We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

    Lastly, I’m just going to put it this way: you’re going to try to assert that Solyndra is somehow a right wing conspiracy? Seriously? The government-corporate cozy thing is “rightwing”? You dingaling? You’re going to try to assert that the uberleftwing GE that paid ZERO taxes and whose CEO is Obama’s handpicked guy is rightwing???

    It’s hard to figure out whether you’re more dishonest than stupid or more stupid than dishonest.

    Given that you don’t even bother to actually so much as even TRY to rebut or refute what somebody is actually saying, I’m not going to waste my time “debating” you anymore.

    The next time you talk about having “and honest debate,” you ought to try to actually deal with what the person you claim to be “debating” actually SAID.

  29. angelica427a Says:

    What seems to be missing here is the ability to see past the curtain. This polarized diatribe against a people’s movement to turn a spotlight on the corrupt liaison between K Street and Congress appears to be an attempt to perpetrate the hoax that there IS some sort of differentiation between the GOP and the DNC when it comes to abuse of power, waste of the people’s taxes, destruction of both American and Iraqi lives (“acceptable losses”) , outrageous political and financial self-promotion that completely ignores the will of the people, and plain and simple greed.
    There clearly is not.

    20-20 hindsight makes painfully evident that the “WMD” lies told and sleazy McCarthy-like attacks questioning citizens’ “patriotism” after 9/11 were calculated to frighten Congress and the people to “get on board” with the war, regardless of the fact that 9/11 had nothing to do with Saddam Hussein. (Who with a brain can deny that?)

    The carefully laid base of illusions was a systematic juggernaut to start the wheels of war grinding and establish (eventually, after much blood) a solid presence in Iraq. That is what stands in Iraq, an American “Vatican-sized” $$billion dollar embassy that occupies ONE AND A HALF SQUARE MILES occupied by an estimated 16, 000 personnel with a “sales force” to sell planes, armaments and other war materiels, not to mention our actions have effectively disrupted the balance of power in the Mideast, with Iran now emerging as the “next threat” .
    And the people of America were and will continue to be its fodder in lives and taxes unless this move to dominate the country and the world is not stopped.
    The war in Iraq has already produced trillions in profits for armament and munitions dealers and private corporations who thrive on war (in particular, read: Halliburton) —in addition to the American oil mega-profiteers that have been robbing us blind for decades— in a deliberate, calculated deception of the American people.
    Simple facts cannot be denied.
    American soldiers, their families, the American taxpayers, have been used, abused, and tossed aside.
    Colin Powell was a perfect example, trotted out and “welcomed into the fold” by the Bush bunch to elicit the trust of the American people. Since he was an admired veteran, he was anointed into office and then booted out. Used to deceive us, one of the few public figures associated with that administration who was actually respected by the American people.
    Most of the DC insiders knew this war had been Chaney’s objective since the first Bush occupied the White House–an open secret.

    I won’t even try to touch on the Bush “Homestead Act” and the Mortgage crisis, nor the abysmal economic mess that has resulted from all the horrible decisions Congress has made in the interim period–Republicans and Democrats alike.
    They’re no different, you see. The illusion of different political parties and their espoused beliefs is simple that…an illusion held up to divide us, while the powers that be–call it the Military-Industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned against, or the Illuminati or the Bilderbergers—whoever is behind the curtain behind this push toward Imperialism–..the Wizard of Oz, for all I care.
    Clearly we are on the WRONG track and have been for a long time. We’ve got to get back to what Americans believe in.

    SO you don’t think the Occupy Wall Street Movement has a defined purpose? I daresay that it already encompasses just what I have written today–a cry to return to freedom, truth, the rights of the people to govern themselves, fair and equitable taxation, security, the right to good health, peace on earth. Hope.

  30. Michael Eden Says:

    Angelica,

    That is an amazing diatribe. Somehow, the FACTS that the Occupy movement have been surrounded by RAPES, by VIOLENCE, by disregard for the rule of law, by clashes with the police, by CRIME, by DRUG OVERDOSES, by lice and rats and all sorts of other vile things, doesn’t even matter to you.

    You are that kind of diseased mind.

    Instead, all you’ve got in your little tool kit is a giant load of moral equivlance that says that you can be vile because you think the other side is bad. That is literally the ONLY justification you’ve got.

    Rapes. You don’t mind that women are being raped by Occupy people as they sleep nude in other people’s sleeping bags all over the country. I mean, after all, you hate Bush so that justifies everything, right?

    When you mention things like “the Mortgage crisis,” you make me laugh. You and yours are so completely stuck on stupid you are beyond insane. I have again and again discussed the profound role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and DEMOCRATS to create the financial crisis:

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/democrat-lies-about-their-key-role-in-2008-economic-collapse-reaches-laughable-proportions/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/more-proof-democrats-destroyed-the-economy-in-2008-the-ongoing-fannie-maefreddie-mac-disaster/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/why-did-our-economy-melt-down-in-2008-email-this-to-your-friends/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/it-was-democrats-who-blew-up-our-economy-in-2008/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/barney-frank-and-democrat-party-most-responsible-for-2008-economic-collapse/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/barney-frank-video-proves-democrats-at-core-of-2008-economic-collapse/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/aei-article-how-fannie-and-freddie-blew-up-the-economy/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/who-really-exploded-your-economy-liberals-or-conservatives/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/biden-we-misread-the-economy-and-its-all-the-republicans-fault/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2009/12/31/with-eyes-finally-wide-open-reconsider-why-the-economy-collapsed-in-the-first-place/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/housing-under-obama-worst-since-great-depression-with-poor-and-minorities-most-screwed-by-hope-and-change/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/democrats-set-up-america-for-2008-collapse-and-barack-obama-became-their-king/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/whos-to-blame-for-the-economic-mess-were-in-two-views/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/07/12/you-call-it-obamanomics-i-call-it-the-jobs-holocaust/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/ap-reported-fact-u-s-economy-the-worst-since-the-last-time-we-let-a-socialist-run-it/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/hey-republicans-drove-us-into-a-ditch-liberals-put-this-into-your-pipe-and-smoke-it-conservative-economic-principles-rule-in-texas/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/06/15/u-s-housing-is-now-worse-than-great-depression-thanks-barry-hussein/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/06/14/us-is-in-even-worse-shape-financially-than-greece-and-why-is-that-in-the-age-of-obama/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/obamas-hope-and-change-at-work-most-americans-correctly-believe-our-best-days-are-now-behind-us/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/69-of-independents-say-obamas-policies-have-made-economy-worse/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/this-blame-bush-crap-has-just-got-to-end/

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/how-should-democrats-eat-the-half-trillion-monsters-fannie-and-freddie-one-bite-at-a-time/

    I have EXHAUSTIVELY documented the cause of the 2008 mortgage collapse: Fannie Mae and Democrats and vile Democrat policies.

    And today we have the truth in a nutshell as Fannie Mae LIED about how deep into mortgage madness they truly were:

    “Freddie told investors in 2006 that it held between $2 billion and $6 billion of subprime mortgages on its books. The SEC says its holdings were actually closer to $141 billion, or 10% of its portfolio in 2006, and $244 billion, or 14%, by 2008”.

    I have documented that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac went bankrupt BEFORE ALL the private companies.

    I have documented that Republicans and conservatives WARNED of this liberal-caused disaster over and over again prior to 2008, and that Democrats refused to allow any regulation or reform that could have prevented it.

    I have documented that George Bush tried at least SEVENTEEN TIMES to reform and regulate Fannie and Freddie but was stopped dead in his tracks by Democrats. I have documented that John McCain and others WARNED of this collapse if we didn’t regulate Fannie and Freddie – to deaf ears by DEMOCRATS.

    All people like you are capable of doing is telling and repeating lies straight from hell.

  31. Rob Says:

    “…all you’ve got in your little tool kit is a giant load of moral equivlance that says that you can be vile because you think the other side is bad.”

    And once again Michael demonstrates his inability to see the world in anything other than black and white – or rather red and blue. Angelica doesn’t line up 100% with his POV, therefore she must be a filthy Democrat.

    There’s no “moral equivalence” here. At no point does Angelica say that it’s OK for her, or the OWS movement, or anyone else to be “vile”. It’s your own stunted thinking that, once it has detected the first scintilla of dissent in her comment, leads you instantly to pigeonhole her as an enemy, put words in her mouth and opinions in her head.

    You spend virtually all of your time on this blog documenting how horrible liberals, Democrats and anyone to the left of Ebenezer Scrooge supposedly are. (There is a typical Gish Gallop in the above response.) All Angelica did was to point out, quite correctly, that Republicans have done some less than honourable things too. That doesn’t make her a liberal, any more than mentioning that the Spanish Inquisition did some pretty gruesome things makes me a heretic.

    Or is she quite wrong about that as well, and should Messrs Bush and Cheney, since they are apparently of impeccable character and have never made a mistake, be fitted for their wings and haloes now?

  32. Michael Eden Says:

    Rob,

    Actually, it’s a matter of the fact that you’ve got the same stunted thinking that Angelica has.

    First of all, let’s get right to the matter of your personal hypocrisy and “stunted” thinking: your argument against me is that I view the world through some kind of colored filter and I attack anyone whose thought doesn’t line up with my own.

    Okay, fine. Then I ask, “And just what are you doing to me, you hypocrite?”

    Since you stand so transcendently and see it all from your lofty vantage point, just where is your tolerant understanding of my view of the world? Nowhere in your tirade do I see you coming a country mile of being able to see, or identify with, or in any way affirm any part of my view. And since you’ve got this terribly distorted filter and horribly stunted thinking, you instantly pigeonhole me as an enemy, put words in my mouth and opinions in my head.

    If you people actually even TRIED to live up to your self-rightoues rhetoric just ONCE in your lives…

    As to “my putting words” in Angelica’s mouth, I pointed out THE FACT that I provided a very distinct contrast between the Tea Party and the Occupy movement in the article to which she posted to. I pointed out how utterly VILE the Occupy movement has been – and provided ample documentation OF that vileness.

    And she ignored it. As if it didn’t matter.

    That, also, is a fact. Which I proceeded to expose and denounce.

    To continue with Angelica’s argument – and now your own – Angelica proceeded to denounce Bush (you know, after refusing to even come CLOSE to acknowledging that the Occupy movement was blameworthy in spite of their thousands of crimes and flat-out despicable conduct). And, notwithstanding your own personal ignorance to be able to understand it, her implicit argument was that the Occupy movement was somehow justified BECAUSE OF BUSH.

    And then she proceeded to offer as EVIDENCE of Bush’s evil the mortgage meltdown that destroyed our economy.

    And I spent ample time refuting that argument, and PROVING that what happened in 2008 to our economy happened BECAUSE OF DEMOCRATS AND IN SPITE OF BUSH’S EFFORTS TO REFORM FANNIE AND FREDDIE WHICH WERE BLOCKED BY DEMOCRATS.

    Given that you begin with the premise of refuting me and showing me how wrong I am, you could have at least tried to deal with my actual facts in my response to Angelica, when I prove that her hate-fest against Bush is false and unhinged.

    You don’t even BOTHER to try to deal with what I proved to be true (and therefore proved to be false from Angelica). Which frankly disgusts me to no end, given that you take her side.

    I don’t waste my time with people like you, who disregard facts and evidence as though they don’t matter whatsoever as you state your morally idiotic opionions.

    So good riddance.

    Btw, unlike you liberal moral morons, I never put a halo on Bush’s head, your asanine straw man notwithstanding.

  33. Michael Eden Says:

    I’d put Rob in my garbage. But he commented again, and I’ll post it in it’s entirety before leaving him in the garbage forever:

    “just where is your tolerant understanding of my view of the world?”

    I don’t tolerate vile unreasoning hatred.

    “And since you’ve got this terribly distorted filter and horribly stunted thinking, you instantly pigeonhole me as an enemy, put words in my mouth and opinions in my head.”

    Ah, the tu quoque fallacy. Brilliant…

    “And she ignored it. As if it didn’t matter.”

    Did she ignore it, or did you (as usual) ban her before she had a chance to respond?

    “Given that you begin with the premise of refuting me and showing me how wrong I am”

    I didn’t begin with that premise at all. My premise was that you are incapable of entertaining or even tolerating any opinion but your own: which you again demonstrated very ably.

    “You don’t even BOTHER to try to deal with what I proved to be true”

    It’s your blog. Why should I have to do your legwork for you?

    If you want facts and documentation in support other points of view, visit any political blog to your left… which gives you a lot of choice.

    First of all, the claim that “I don’t have to be tolerant to intolerant people” is a self-referential absurdity. Because you yourself are intolerant, and you very clearly have “vile unreasoning hatred” toward me and my views, and therefore it is perfectly appropriate for me to be intolerant to you by your own standard.

    Second, yes, you can argue that I employ tu quoque. But what you fail to understand is that I am using it AGAINST YOU. You are claiming these things of me while you do the very same thing that you condemn me for yourself. If I were succombing to the tu quoque FALLACY, I would be claiming that I am right to do it. That is NOT my claim. I am merely using YOUR OWN STANDARD TO CONDEMN YOU.

    You see, Rob, I am not out there claiming that you shouldn’t be able to say harsh things about people with whom you disagree. That is YOUR charge against ME. My point is merely that I am not going to entertain the charge of being hateful to the other side from someone who is very clearly hateful to the other side himself.

    I don’t think it’s wrong to attack bad ideas and bad people. But you do, given that you so viciously attacked me for doing it. And I’m saying wear your own damn clothes rather than insist someone else wear them for you.

    The way you try to apply tu quoque, you could tell me it’s wrong to attack other people and then punch me in the face. And of course if I tried to hit you back, voila, I’m guilty of a logical fallacy.

    I wrote an article titled, “Do Unto Obama As Liberals Did Unto Bush” which sets forth my position (see also here if you’d like to read a bunch of comments on the same article). But I’ll also provide an analogy: During World War I, the Germans invented all kinds of truly despicable tactics: they were the first to use poison gas; they were the first to employ total war against civilians. Is using poison gas wrong? Yeah, it certainly is in isolation. But if the Allies didn’t immediately begin using poison gas themselves, then the Germans would have kept using it and won the war with it. And I would contend that the Allies would have therefore been morally wrong NOT to respond in kind. In the same way, it’s wrong to shoot people. But if someone breaks into my house, I’ll put ten rounds into them.

    As we speak, Obama mouthpiece David Axelrod is charging that Republicans are deliberately sabotaging the economy just to make Obama look bad. It is an evil charge. It’s not that Republicans are decent Americans who have a different economic solution; no, it is that they are evil and don’t care about the American people and that they want to cause more pain for Americans so they can falsely demagogue the oh-so-innocent Barack Obama. And we’ve had this from the start. Obama himself has repeatedly said the most awful things about Republians; things that George Bush NEVER said about Democrats.

    For eight years, there was something called Bush Derangement Syndrome. Liberals viciously demonized George Bush in the most hateful and conspiracy-theory-laden ways imaginable. But from the moment Obama took office, these same liberals who so viciously attacked Bush have – like YOU, Rob – maintained a “how can you dare attack our president?” tone.

    But of course, if we attack the president the way you attacked the president, you can demonize us for attacking the president, and when we say, “Wait a damn second; YOU attacked the president too,” it’s ah ah ah: tu quoque. Let’s just file that away under “self-serving rationalization” rather than “logic.”

    It amounts to the charge that Republicans and conservatives don’t have a right to do what liberals and Democrats just recently did and are clearly continuing to do.

    It is despicable in it’s abject hypocrisy. And you are personally despicable for trying to employ it yet again, Rob. Your tactic of claiming that I fall prey to a philosophical fallacy is tantamount to the Germans during WWI attacking the British for using poison gas even as the same Germans continued to use poison gas themselves.

    The third thing is the most disgraceful, in my view, and the reason I block the most people. I pointed out the fact that:

    “You don’t even BOTHER to try to deal with what I proved to be true”

    And you respond:

    It’s your blog. Why should I have to do your legwork for you?

    And of course any reasonably intelligent person knows that I wasn’t asking you to do my “legwork.” I was merely demanding that if you are going to argue with me on my blog, you should at least have the most basic courtesy of interacting with MY ARGUMENTS AND MY FACTS.

    When a person merely ignores what I am saying as if I hadn’t said it, even as they continue to make claims that my argument that they’ve ignored have already refuted, we’re not having any kind of reasonable argument whatsoever. And I’ve got better things to do with my time.

    A little more. You quote me as saying of the previous commenter, who didn’t bother to deal with my refuation of her:

    “And she ignored it. As if it didn’t matter.”

    And you snidely argue:

    Did she ignore it, or did you (as usual) ban her before she had a chance to respond?

    Well, let’s not talk about HER. Let’s talk about YOU. I pointed out the liberal side’s refusal to interact with my argument and my facts, and did YOU respond by then dealing with those? No. Rather than even bother to try, you assert:

    It’s your blog. Why should I have to do your legwork for you?

    Which is to say I GAVE you a chance to respond and try to deal with my case, but you had no intention of responding to it. You just proceeded to ignore it.

    There is no point having a conversation with somebody who ignores what you are saying. There is no point in having an argument with somebody who ignores your arguments.

    It is a waste of time. You are a waste of time. Which is why I quickly block people like you.

    Now good riddance.

    For the record, before I block somebody as a waste of time, I always interact with their attacks/arguments. I give them their say, and I respond to what they are saying at length. And then I block them.

    I’m not going to keep arguing with fools – particularly fools who refuse to bother to interact with my arguments the same way I try to interact with theirs.

    I deal with people I block with the view that we need to refute fools and then we need to ignore them and move on to better things.

  34. Anonymous Says:

    You [deleted by moderator due to profanity] are too long winded. I don’t have time to read your [Deleted by moderator due to profanity] twelve paragraph snipes. [Deleted by moderator due to profanity].

  35. Michael Eden Says:

    Anonymous,

    I suppose I can understand why you can’t read something that goes on for 12 paragraphs. That strikes me as something that is probably very typical of somebody who literally can’t write a single sentence without profanity drooling out (you were 3 for 3 there).

  36. Mike Davis Says:

    This is a very old post and I doubt that anyone will see this, but I did want to make some notes on some of the comments here.

    First, the Democratic Party is the one of racism. The GOP is the party of equality. It was the GOP that freed the slaves. It was the GOP that managed to get the Civil Rights act through Congress. It is the Democratic Party that changed course after they lost the Civil Rights war. Then, instead of suppressing blacks they changed to a different form of racism: giving charity in exchange for the black vote. Providing social welfare as a false crutch. Giving them nearly rent free apartments in “projects” that claimed to help minorities but in reality were simply a way to keep them all in one place. I wonder how many of these privileged OWS protesters live in neighborhoods with poor blacks. They support blacks because they vote Democratic; not because they give a crap about them.

    To a Democrat, a minority is someone who must be helped because he or she is inferior to a white person. To a Republican, everyone in this country is equal and nobody deserves special treatment. Yet the Democrats continue to keep black people suppressed in this regard. The Democrats keep minorities in high crime areas that are nearly impossible to get out of. To a Democrat, a successful black person is a lost vote. So they keep blacks down. They continue to provide just enough social programs for them to get by, but not enough to move forward.

    Meanwhile, Republicans seek to break these chains that bind minority groups. The GOP seeks to lessen the burden on everyone. To provide financial freedom. This freedom will allow companies to expand and hire more people – including minorities. Yet if that happens the minorities may start making enough money that they don’t need the financial handouts.

    What should really anger the minorities is the liberal elitism that insists that blacks and Hispanics cannot think for themselves. That they need someone to tell them how to think and who to vote for and where to get the best social programs. What they should be doing is looking for ways to make their lives better – not just to get themselves by from week to week.

    Blacks are still slaves in this country today – yet they are now financial slaves rather than work slaves. In fact, a working black person does not do the Democrats any good. The Democrats, in the end, really won the Civil War. It took them 100 years to do it, but now, instead of just keeping the blacks in the South as slaves they have enslaved blacks in every city in the country.

    Democrats keep insisting on equality while passing legislation that pushes forth inequality. Because Lord knows what would happen if they lost the minority vote.

  37. Michael Eden Says:

    Mike Davis,

    Thanks for the comments. Especially given that you’re spot on. I’ve written articles that have echoed every fact you cited: yes, the Democrat Party, historically the party of slavery and racism and intimidation of minorities, is STILL the party of slavery, racism and intimidation. They changed their tactics, but to put it in terms of the proverbial leopard, they couldn’t change their spots.

    Welfare is to slavery what redistribution is to communism. One guarantees the other. Black conservatives rightly point out the “plantation” mentality of the Democrat Party. To wit: Master take care of all da good negroes.

    Unfortunately, it is in “master’s” interest to keep his slaves helpless and unable to provide for themselves.

    [“Master” is the Democrat Party that sells welfare for votes knowing it will reap the entitlement mentality that will keep blacks down and dependent upon the state forever].

    I’ve quoted this a thousand times on this blog – at least it seems like it. But founding father John Adams put it best:

    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    As people become bad people (i.e., as they embrace the culture of death-worship a.k.a. “abortion” and vote for the party of homosexual sodomy and the destruction of civilization via the destruction of marriage, they become fascists. They become people for whom the American Constitution, the American way of life, democracy itself, becomes impossible.

    That’s where Democrats are today: cynically feeding off the dying, already decaying soon-to-be-corpse that used to be the greatest nation in the history of the world. And that’s what they are across the board, whether they’re cynically exploiting black people or cynically exploiting illegal immigrants to get more votes and to hell with what it cost in terms of the “other people’s money” they keep demanding more and more of.

  38. Mike Davis Says:

    The only thing that can help minorities get out from under is to help industry. Free up corporations to open plants in neighborhoods where they can hire minorities. Give them a chance to earn a decent wage so that they can do better for their families. Democrats want to skip this step but it is a necessary evil. The first generation claws their way out from under and the second generation reaps the benefits of their parents hard work.

    I don’t want to turn this into a race baiting theme, but look at the Asian community. They came here with only the clothes on their backs, worked their butts off in various menial labor jobs, lived fifteen people to a home, and sent their kids to Ivy League schools.

    Blacks were never afforded this opportunity. They really couldn’t claw their way up because the Democrats of the South kept them in poverty. So 100 years after the civil war they went from poverty to living in a virtual welfare state. Give them houses so that they can’t really save any money. Give them food stamps so that they absolutely cannot get a better job as that would end their food stamps (they would wind up making less money). Most of all, keep them all in one place where they can be corralled and kept away from white communities.

    It really bothers me that the next borough over from me is extremely liberal, yet there isn’t a single black family living there that isn’t very wealthy. They fight to keep the social welfare programs intact so that black people cannot afford to move to their neighborhoods. They keep the taxes artificially high for this very reason.

    Blacks should be furious over this. It is a very insulting form of racism. Virtually paying to keep blacks suppressed. Not only that, but they make everyone else pay, though taxes, to keep blacks down whether those of us who are more enlightened like it or not.

    And if we say anything we are racists. The Tea Party is a group of racists because they (we) want to lower taxes and end needless social programs. Well then we must be anti-black. In reality, it is similar to the Civil War, where a bunch of white people want to fight to help free the blacks.

    People need to open their eyes and see what is happening. This is not much different than what was happening in South Africa about fifty years ago.

  39. Michael Eden Says:

    Mike Davis,

    Let me underscore one of your points: you are right. Democrats and liberals are quintessential hypocrites. I’ve said it over and over again: if you took the hypocrite out of a liberal, he or she would simply completely dematerialize, there simply being nothing left. And yes, the “100 years” of racism was when Democrats OWNED the South, even as the Civil War was waged by pro-slavery Democrats against anti-slave Republicans (anti-slavery literally being in the Republican Party platform when the Party was created and Abraham Lincoln ran as its first presidential candidate). And the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. And so on.

    I would agree with what you say about blacks not being able to “claw their way up” but add this caveat: any chance that blacks DID have to “claw their way up” the way that Asians and all the other ethnic groups did ENDED when they made the Faustian bargain with Democrats beginning in the later 1960s. Basically, that bargain was welfare for life and no need to work as long as they voted Democrat. Welfare and the perversion of “Civil Rights” into racist quotas and racist programs designed to “help” black people remain eternally dependent upon the government and upon Democrats simply turned them into permanent dependents.

    And yes, they SHOULD be outraged over the bait-and-switch that the Democrat Party – THE party of racism – gave them. The Democrat Party literally turned on a dime and went from being the party of racist governor George Wallace to the racist party of racial entitlements. One plantation to another.

    Good comment!

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