I’m With Newt Gingrich On Palestinians Being An ‘Invented People’

As far as I’m concerned, Newt Gingrich nailed this one.

The “Palestinians” exist for everyone who has a spiritual and ideological hatred of Israel, and that is the ONLY reason it/they exist. It NEVER existed prior to the existence of Israel and no Arabs even bothered to TRY to create it/them. The so-called “Palestinians” could have and should have gone to the 99-plus percent of the land that was controlled by Arabs; but the Arabs in their rabid hatred of Israel decided it was better to create a festering sore by leaving people in camps and ghettos as a deceitful way to denounce Israel.

Gingrich Gets It Right
Posted by David Horowitz Bio ↓ on Dec 12th, 2011

In an interviewon Saturday, Newt Gingrich put some reality into the surreal discussion of the Middle East conflict and (as he put it) the delusional nature of the current “peace process.” The Palestinians are indeed an “invented people” — invented by the Nasser dictatorship and KGB by the way — and the Hitlerian lie that Israel occupies one square inch of “Arab” let alone “Palestinian” land needs to be buried for any clarity on what the conflict is about, let alone progress towards peace.

Of course there is no peace in the Middle East and there can be no peace so long as the Muslim Arabs want to kill the Jews and destroy the Jewish state. That is the explicit goal of the enemies of Israel in the terrorist entities of Gaza and the West Bank, and also of Israel’s principal enemy the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Newt Gingrich’s gutsy statements — if he will hold to them — could change the nature of the debate not only about how to deal with the Islamic terrorists of the Middle East but with the Islamic jihad itself. For the campaign to destroy Israel is at bottom a campaign to restore the Muslim (not Arab) ummah — as it was under the Turkish empire and the caliphate.

According to CNN, a Palestinian spokesman called Gingrich’s observation that the Palestinians are “an invented people” quote “the most racist I’ve ever seen.” This just shows what brazen liars Palestinian spokesmen are. Everything that Gingrich said was obvious fact. For nearly 2,000 years “Palestine” referred to region not a people — just as “New England” refers to a region not a people. In 1948 the Arabs of the Palestine region were not talking about a Palestinian state and were not referring to themselves as Palestinians. That came in 1964 with the creation of the PLO, engineered by the KGB and the Jew-hating dictator of Egypt, Gamel Abdel Nasser​. Even then the PLO charter (which is still available on the web) did not call for the liberation of the West Bank or Gaza (annexed by Jordan and Egypt respectively) but for the destruction of the Jewish state. Jew hatred is what has driven the conflict in the Middle East which is more precisely described as a genocidal war against the Jews.

Here’s another article on the subject from another guy I listen to when it comes to this region:

Newt Gingrich and the “Invented” Palestinian People
by Daniel Pipes
December 10, 2011
Cross-posted from National Review Online

The former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and current Republican presidential candidate said yesterday that “there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. We have invented the Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs and are historically part of the Arab people, and they had the chance to go many places.”

Everyone from the PLO to a Mitt Romney spokesman jumped on Gingrich for this assertion, but he happens to be absolutely correct: no Arabic-speaking Muslims identified themselves as “Palestinian” until 1920, when, in rapid order this appellation and identity was adopted by the Muslim Arabs living in the British mandate of Palestine.

For details, see a long article of mine from 1989 on the topic or a short one from 2000. (December 10, 2011)

I was frankly appalled at the criticism Newt Gingrich received from rival Republicans competing for the GOP nomination.  The only candidate who supported Gingrich’s completely accurate and factual statement was Rick Perry. 

The idea made by Mitt Romney and seconded by most of the candidates that covet Gingrich’s poll numbers that this somehow is “speaking for Israel” is simply asinine.  Newt Gingrich isn’t speaking for anybody; he’s a private citizen and doesn’t even speak for “America,” let alone Israel.  Rather, Newt Gingrich was speaking for “truth.”  And I’m on board with that.

Since Newt said this, I have laughed at the snooty “journalists” who huffed that countries like Iraq, Syria and Lebanon were “invented,” too, as though somehow that means that we can’t oppose allowing “Palestinians” to be similarly invented.  Because as we all know, the world would obviously have been just so much worse off without the many blessings provided by Iraq, Syria and Lebanon to world harmony.  And the more dictator-controlled hellholes, the better, right?

Al Jazeera puts it this way (you know, after citing the “wisdom” of Vladimir Lenin):

The modern Middle East was born in crisis. Remnants of the Ottoman and Safavid Empires of the 19th century, the countries of this realm only took the form of modern nation states after passing through the brutal mill of European colonialism. Whereas state formation in Europe took centuries to develop, countries in the Middle East were created by the veritable stroke of a pen; by a line drawn on a map; by a decision taken in a smoke-filled boardroom.

So what the hell, let’s get back into that smoke-filled boardroom and invent another country.  Because it’s just worked so damn well in the past and all.  And you know how great the United Nations is about getting things right, right?

Most of the countries “created with the stroke of a pen” are hellholes.  So one question worth serious discussion is why do we want to create another hellhole?

It’s almost as if the left is arguing, “We have a chance to repeat the mistakes of history, and let’s not be timid about doing so.”

Fwiw, when Newt Gingrich says (and when I agree with him) that Palestinians are an “invented people,” neither of us is trying to argue that the Arab people living in the West Bank, etc., are not “real people.”  What we are claiming is the FACT that there had never in history existed a people with a “Palestinian” identity, nor had there ever existed a nation-state with that identity.  EVER.  There is no legitimate historical reason to ascribe to them the idenity that the United Nation and liberals and various other enemies of Israel have been attempting to ascribe to them.  And these people – who have genuine needs and are genuinely suffering – should have been absorbed by the many surrounding regions and nations out of which they came from in the first place.  And I further submit that it is not Israel, but those Arab countries, to whom the real blame ought to be directed for ignoring the plight of the “Palestinians” and abandoning them to neglect.  Because these their own people literally WANTED these people to suffer simply so they could point a finger at Jews and say, “See what you did?”

For more than sixty years Arabs have allowed the “Palestinians” to suffer in ghettos and camps because they would not take care of their own people.  Rather than give a damn about their fellow Arabs in need, they preferred to keep hating on Israel and say, “We want nothing to do with these Arabs because we frankly have no respect for human life whatsoever, but YOU ought to care more about our people than we do and provide for them.”

So before you attack me as a “racist” or an anti-Palestinian “bigot” or whatever, realize that I will merely re-direct those charges right back at you and state that in fact YOU are the hater who wants these poor people to suffer just so you can point a finger of blame at the Jews you so rabidly despise.

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8 Responses to “I’m With Newt Gingrich On Palestinians Being An ‘Invented People’”

  1. HL Says:

    I too agree with Newt. He is absolutely correct and I hope he does not cave to pc pressure. It is soooooooooo refreshing when someone JUST TELLS THE TRUTH!!! This country needs more of it BIG TIME!

    Great post, Michael.

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    Thank you, HL.

    I haven’t been on the Newt bandwagon up to this point, and still can’t say I trust the guy (in the sense of that saying, “I don’t trust him more than I can throw him,” it’s a matter of thinking I can “throw” Gingrich farther than I can Romney at this point).

    But Gingrich has said a few things that have drawn me closer to him.

    Gingrich has been unfairly demonized (even though there is no question that he TRULY does have a flawed past) by the mainstream media. Their story that Gingrich violated ethics is largely a joke, given the fact that the man had survived an unprecedented (at least until Sarah Palin came along) witchhunt with 85 bogus charges brought against him by a rabidly partisan “ethics” committee. And the same media that is denouncing him without bothering to report anything CLOSE to the full story on that ethics investigation also largely invented the ugliest incident of Newt Gingrich trying to force his wife to sign divorce papers while she was dying in the hospital.

    The media couldn’t be more dishonest. Which is to say, they are as dishonest and partisan as they can possibly get away with being in a still-kinda-sorta-free society.

    In this instance, Newt is standing up for Israel. But more importantly, the man is simply standing up for THE TRUTH.

    And I’m warming up to the guy.

  3. roberto prado sagarzazu Says:

    Maybe you like the guy, but let’s look at the fatuousness of Gingrich’s statement: “Remember, there was no Palestine as a state — (it was) part of the Ottoman Empire. I think we have an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and historically part of the Arab community”.

    First: Palestine is the same word as Phillistine, both ancient words that mean “Purple”. Canaan is another ancient word that means “Purple” because the Murax shellfish can only be found there and in the ancient world it was the only way to make purple die. The Cananites, Palestinians and Phillistines are all geographical references. The area has been alternately known as the Canaan, Palestine and Judea since the Sumerian migration 4000 years ago.

    Second: The Palestinian people are in fact Arabs, yes. And Arabs are, in fact, Semites. And so, in fact, are Jews. Period. Their cultural and genetic history is inextricably linked. Period.

    Third: Islam did not exist before the year 622 when Mohammed moved from Mecca to Medina, really with his death in 632. The Ottoman Empire was Muslim. It did not come into being until 1299. At the time that the region known as Palestine belonged to the Ottoman Empire, there was no such thing as Israel. In fact, there was never a country named Israel, until 1948. Judea ceased to exist as a kingdom in the year 70AD. The Egyptians make reference to Palestine as early as 1800BC during the Hyksos period when Semitic immigrants from Sumeria (originally given the derogatory epithet of “Habiru” from which we get the modern word “Hebrew”) overran the Egyptians, ruling Egypt until the last Semitic Pharaoh, Thuthmosis IV, was declared a heretic and exiled. He left for the Canaan, also referred to as Palestine at the time.

    As to an “invented” people, Iraq was created by the British by cobbling together three provinces of the old – you got it – Ottoman Empire. Pakistan is an “invented” nation, created by the British along with Kashmir, another “invented” nation. Yugoslavia was also “invented” by the British by mashing together Serbia and some of the Slavic states. Czechoslovakia was “invented”. In fact, just before Israel was “invented”, the British also invented “Trans-Jordan” (now called Jordan).

    And, for the record, I AM NOT MUSLIM AND I DO NOT SUPPORT JEZBOLLAH OR HAMAS OR THE ARAB LEAGUE. In fact, I support NEITHER side in the Arab/Jew conflict. I DO read books, however, and I know history – so that I cannot be fooled by people telling lies in order to get votes from people ignorant of the facts.

    I post this because you mentioned the word “truth” in your article. This is not a right-left issue, it’s a correct information-incorrect (incomplete) information issue. I really don’t care about the political positioning of the statement, merely its historical accuracy.

    And, in case you dismiss my comments because of the ethnicity of my name – I am Basque, look it up. My country was recognized by the USA, England and France in 1937. We no longer exist, being parsed between Spain and France. We are NOT, however, an “invented” people.

  4. Michael Eden Says:

    Roberto,

    I actually don’t like Gingrich all that much. I’m saddened that our field is so weak. We need a Reagan as we face the worst president in our nation’s history who will be armed with a billion dollar warchest. And neither Gingrich or Romney is anything close to what we need.

    To your “first.” The reason the region got the name “Palestine” had nothing whatsoever to do with your point; it was named “Palestine” by the Romans who were mocking the Jews by renaming their region after the Philistines – who were the Jews’ most famous enemies:

    In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman “Provincia Judaea” and so renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”, the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name “Provincia Syria Palaestina” was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized “Palestine” is derived.

    And frankly the term “Palestine” is as much a propaganda tool today as it was when the Romans first coined it.

    Your second point is irrelevant. Yes, Jews and Arabs are both Semitic people. So the hell what?

    Your third point – particularly the statement that “there was never a country named Israel, until 1948” is patently false. There are more than 2,500 references to “Israel” in the Old Testament – which by the way dramatically predates 1948.

    You say you read history. Please read it again. Because Israel has been around for a long, long time.

    You make a couple of other assertions:

    The Egyptians make reference to Palestine as early as 1800BC during the Hyksos period when Semitic immigrants from Sumeria (originally given the derogatory epithet of “Habiru” from which we get the modern word “Hebrew”) overran the Egyptians

    Let’s see. “Palestine” is a Latin word, so I doubt very much if the Egyptians made reference to it in 1800BC. And the Habiru/Hebrew thing is a theory, but hardly a proven connection. And if the Habiru actually WERE the Hebrews, we can go back to your point 2: it would be utterly irrelevant to the issue at hand.

    You are worse than a miserable liar for making such a completely asinine contention. I am simply not going to continue arguing with a fool who ignores all documented history to make such a stupid assertion.

    You actually ARE correct about other people’s being “invented peoples.” I myself made that same point. I further identified most of the countries you have here. AND STATED THAT COUNTRIES LIKE IRAQ, SYRIA, PAKISTAN, ETC. HAVEN’T EXACTLY TURNED OUT SO GREAT FOR THE WORLD.

    As a Basque, I know that you have an affinity for other people/groups that turned to terrorism. So your protestation that you have no ideological axe to grind is rather foolish.

    “Arabs” are not an invented people, if that is how you are trying to misrepresent me. “Palestinian” Arabs, coming from a nation that had ever governed itself known as “Palestine,” is a myth. As Gingrich pointed out, it never happened at any time in history.

    Were the Jews an “invented people”? Yes, they most certainly were. They were invented by God around 2091 BC (that was about when God called Abraham out of Ur and promised to create a great nation through him – see Genesis 12:2, “And I will make you a great nation”). You are welcome to document a similar encounter between God and Yassar Arafat.

    Interestingly, the PLO was formed in 1964. But it was not until 1967 – after Israel took Jerusalem following Arab acts of war that led to the conflict – that the PLO mentioned anything about obtaining independence for the “Palestinian” people.

  5. Peter Says:

    @ Michael; fabulous response!!!

  6. Baz Says:

    First of all, Israelis did not exist until 1948. The Israeli identity is a mish mash of very people who converted to Judaism, European, Sephardic, and Mizrahi Jews while the Palestinians had a continuous physical tie to the land. The Palestinians were part of the Great Syria region, and they were also to a large extent the descendants of the original Jews who fought the Romans and remained on the land and eventually converted to the dominant religions of the time. One thing that’s definitely not invented is that they were on the land when many of them were uprooted by people who came from abroad. People want to call them invented to feel better about happened to the Palestinians. The Lebanese identity is invented. Does that mean that the French could have had the right to do as they pleased and ignore the human rights of the Lebanese? This is such a backward way of looking at people. Anyway, there was no country in South Africa when South Africa built its state. Since the whites created it, I guess they were free to do as they pleased? Most states that exist today did not exist in 1850. It’s a fact.

  7. Michael Eden Says:

    First of all, Israelis did not exist until 1948

    I repeat, Baz,

    There are MORE THAN 2,500 REFERENCES TO ISRAEL IN AN OLD TESTAMENT THAT WAS COMPLETED 2,400 YEARS BEFORE 1948.

    YOU CANNOT EVEN BE SANE TO SAY THAT.

    Here’s a factoid for you about a nation and a people that didn’t exist until 1948:

    The first record of the name Israel (as ysrỉꜣr) occurs in the Merneptah stele, erected for Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BCE, “Israel is laid waste and his seed is not.”

    Weird how those damn Jews figured out a way to travel back into time to plant bogus evidence of their existence that way.

    Either that, or you are a colossal dumbass.

    Then, there is your “the Palestinians had a continuous physical tie to the land” asininity.

    Mark Twain on Palestine:

    “….. A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds… a silent mournful expanse…. a desolation…. we never saw a human being on the whole route…. hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.” (The Innocents Abroad, p. 361-362)

    There WERE no “Palestinians” in the land until the Jews came, bought the land from the legal owners (the Ottomans) and began to hire Arab workers. It had been empty and deserted.

    So you are wrong every way you can be wrong.

    I tell you what, Baz,

    I just became a “Native American” (and I really was born here) and I say that your house should be mine. I claim that my people used to own that land you’re property is on, and you have to give it to me now. Please give me the title to your home now. Or else you’re a shameless hypocrite. Because that’s exactly what the Palestinians are doing to the Jews.

    Here’s another one: I’m really generous. So I demand that you give $50,000 to charity. Because, you see, I’m generous with other people’s money.

    The bottom line is this: you and the UN and every damn country that routinely calls on Israel to make sacrifice after sacrifice are cowards and hypocrites. It doesn’t cost you a damn thing to posture yourselves as wonderful caring people. WHY DON’T YOU GIVE THEM YOUR DAMN LAND RATHER THAN DEMAND ISRAEL GIVE UP THE LITTLE TINY FRACTION OF LAND THAT IT HAS????

  8. Michael Eden Says:

    Peter,

    Thanks,

    But judging from Baz, there is no fabulousness. These people are simply too bent on being generous and caring with other people’s property.

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