Christopher Hitchens And Billy Graham (Or Bill Maher Vs. Tim Tebow) As Missionaries For Their Religions. And Which One Was ‘The Intolerant Hater.’

Yes, for the record, atheism IS a religious view. Atheists have actually demonstrated this themselves in demanding to be included in the number of religious traditions, and atheism has been declared a religion in the courts. So please don’t post trying to argue that Christopher Hitchens wasn’t a missionary for his atheism.

I don’t write this with the intent of attacking the recently deceased, but rather to underscore a point that occurred to me as I scanned through an LA Times op-ed by liberal Meghan Daum.  Her piece began:

As fans of the late Christopher Hitchens cycle through the five stages of grief, it’s interesting to see which of his opinions can still inspire the kind of anger that is unlikely to ever fade into acceptance. There are, of course, the obvious candidates: his characterization of Bill Clinton as “a rapist” or his vilification of Mother Teresa as “a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.” There is also his oh so chivalrous shout-out to the Dixie Chicks, whom he called “fat slugs” (or “slags” or “sluts” depending on your source) despite later admitting “having not the least idea of what any of them looked like.”

I actually hadn’t realized that Christopher Hitchens was such an equal-opportunity hater.  I mean, I thought he just hated religious or Christian people like me.

You could go on and on for quite a while, actually.  Here’s Christopher Hitchens pouring hate on the Republican Party and particularly on Sarah Palin:

This is what the Republican Party has done to us this year: It has placed within reach of the Oval Office a woman who is a religious fanatic and a proud, boastful ignoramus. Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured. And those who prate of spiritual warfare and demons are not just “people of faith” but theocratic bullies. On Nov. 4, anyone who cares for the Constitution has a clear duty to repudiate this wickedness and stupidity.

And I was thinking, “So it wasn’t just Christians and religion in general he dumped hate on.

I’ve cited Christopher Hitchens in a couple of articles:

Atheists Get The MOST Angry At The God They Claim Not To Even Believe Exists

Tolerant Leftist Academia Tries To Impose ‘Thought Reform’ On Christian Student

And a frankly irrational anger and a determination to impose an agenda by force rather than by consent were the scope of both pieces.

In the immediately above piece, Hitchens is quoted:

“How can we ever know how many children had their psychological and physical lives irreparably maimed by the compulsory inculcation of faith? Religion … has always hoped to practice upon the unformed and undefended minds of the young… If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in a quite different world.”

Ah, if we could just forcibly remove the children of those Christians and those religious nutjobs and allow the state to indoctrinate them instead, you know, like the Soviet Union or North Korea, imagine what a “different world” we could have.

It occurred to me to wonder how many hateful and vicious quotes came from the mouth or pen of Christopher Hitchens’ most obvious counterpart, Billy Graham?

I found Billy Graham saying the following despicable thing about Bill Clinton:

[audio here]

Oops, I’m sorry.  Billy didn’t actually say anything hateful about Bill Clinton.  I’m sure it was only because they were both “Bills” rather than that Billy Graham isn’t hateful, though.

Oops, Billy Graham didn’t say anything hateful about ANY Democrat candidate for president, let descriptions such as “fanatic,” “boastful,” “ignoramus,”  as “those who despise science and learning,” as “morally and intellectually slothful people,” “who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured,” as “theocratic bullies,” and as “wickedness and stupidity.”

I mean, the sheer tolerance of Christopher Hitchens as compared to Billy Graham is really something.

I mean, maybe I’ve been wrong about which side is so really intolerant.

I did find an article from an atheist entitled, “Dear Billy Graham: You’re A Hateful Bigot,” but if you click on that hoping for ammo against Rev. Billy, you won’t get very much.  Billy’s most hateful quote, the pièce de résistance, was:

Only God can give us the moral and spiritual foundation we need for our lives. This is why the most important step you can take is to turn to Jesus Christ and commit your life to him. When you do, God will forgive your sins and make you his child forever. He also promises to be with you in the future. By a simple prayer of faith ask him to come into your life today.

Jesus, that hater!  Forgiving sins and being a child of a loving God!  Just vile Atheists like Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Jong Il were the lovers of humanity!

Yes, Joseph Stalin was a famously tolerant and loving atheist:

“God’s not unjust, he doesn’t actually exist. We’ve been deceived. If God existed, he’d have made the world more just… I’ll lend you a book and you’ll see.”

Mao Tse Tung was an atheist who was rather famous for his care for the poor and the little people:

“Our God is none other than the masses of the Chinese people. If they stand up and dig together with us, why can’t these two mountains be cleared away?” [Mao Tse Tung, Little Red Book, “Self-Reliance and Arduous Struggle chapter 21”].

You gotta love the comparison between these great leaders of their respective movements.  I mean, Jesus said ugly things like:

“But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” — Matthew 5:39

“But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous” — Mathew 5:44-45

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword” — Matthew 26:52

Just naked hate from that Jesus Bigot, I know.  I can only apologize for having repeated His dark and evil teachings.

Stalin and Mao, on the other hand, offered a far more glorious perspective for the world:

When Mao infamously expressed this attitude

“The atom bomb is nothing to be afraid of,” Mao told Nehru, “China has many people. . . . The deaths of ten or twenty million people is nothing to be afraid of.” A witness said Nehru showed shock. Later, speaking in Moscow, Mao displayed yet more generosity: he boasted that he was willing to lose 300 million people, half of China’s population.” [Annie Dillard, “The Wreck of Time” in Harper’s from January 1998].

– or when Joseph Stalin was similarly quoted as having said:

“One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.”

Ah, well.  What can you say?  War is peace!  Freedom is slavery!  Ignorance is strength!  Jesus is hateful!  Christianity is intolerant!

There is only one name under heaven by which we can find true love and true peace, and that is the name Jesus, the Prince of Peace.

And how about that tolerant lover of those who disagree with him, Bill Maher?

Here’s Bill Maher viciously ripping on Christian quarterback Tim Tebow:

Comedian Bill Maher drew the ire of Tim Tebow fans and Christians over the weekend after a profane tweet reveling in the Broncos’ blowout loss to the Buffalo Bills.

“Wow, Jesus just f***ed #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere … Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler “Hey, Buffalo’s killing them,” Maher tweeted.

Tebow, whose team suffered its second straight loss after a six-game winning streak, did not respond to Maher’s tweet.

After the disappointing 40-14 road loss, Tebow tweeted, “Tough game today but what’s most important is being able to celebrate the birth of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Merry Christmas everyone GB2.”

GB2 is a phrase Tebow has made popular that means “God Bless + Go Broncos,” according to his official website.

The tweet prompted some to call for a boycott of Maher’s HBO show “Real Time with Bill Maher.”

Maher, an atheist, made a 2008 documentary called “Religulous” that mocked organized religion, and he routinely jokes about religion on his show.

More of the same from the same sort of people.

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10 Responses to “Christopher Hitchens And Billy Graham (Or Bill Maher Vs. Tim Tebow) As Missionaries For Their Religions. And Which One Was ‘The Intolerant Hater.’”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    MichaelE: Could they be separated at birth?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=6274

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    Good one.

    I’ve got to say no; that monkey is much to handsome compared to Maher. And you can see a little decency in that monkey’s eyes that is simply missing from Maher’s.

  3. Ric B Says:

    Atheism is a hollow title coined by religious zealots to create an evil icon for their followers to hate. Every Christian is an atheist when it co es to Zeus and Thor and the other 5000 gods created by man. Some people just go one god further. Here is no word for a non astrologer and therefore there is no accurate word to describe someone who disbelieves in ALL magical gods includi g the Christian god.

  4. Michael Eden Says:

    Ric B,

    You are more incredibly wrong than you are right, as is usual for atheists. “Atheist” was actually applied to “religious zealot” Christians in the first century by the Roman government which was very secular in virtually all aspects but traditional ceremonial observances. Some secular Roman leaders were Kim-style or for that matter Mao-style or Stalin-style (note all of these mass murderers were atheists who unleashed their horrors in a state atheist regime in the pursuit of a rabidly atheist communist political philosophy) dictator who actually started thinking in the power that humans had given them that they were gods and should therefore be worshiped. But other Roman emperors simply thought that “emperor worship” would be something to politically unify that Roman Empire with your 5000 gods and out of that very secular political goal they demanded that everyone in the republic offer a sacrifice – often as little a matter of burning incense – before a government official to demonstrate that they were good citizens. And when Christians refused, they were branded as atheists, blamed for everything under the sun, and tortured and murdered by the secular regime.

    the funny thing is that liberals essentially use the identical same tactic today, blaming Christians and deeply religious people in general for every horror under the sun. In the same way, officially state atheist communism carried out more than 100 million murders of their own people just during peacetime alone. And the only thing stopping that from happening here is that you atheists don’t yet have the power to unleash the hell that is in your hearts.

    Secondly, your argument is simply logically fallacious to an absurd level: “atheist” is simply the negation of “theist,” and whereas a theist is someone who professes belief and allegiance to God or at least to a god or gods, an “atheist” is someone who professes no god or is without allegiance to God, god or the gods. The term was very clearly falsely applied to Christians because they DID have a God. But it just as clearly accurately applies to you. Simply reading the final words of your rant, it is self-evident that you clearly, with your “ALL magical gods including the Christian god” garbage, qualify as someone for whom the negation “a” for “not” qualifies for when it comes to theism. You are without any question an atheist by your own words!

    And again, you atheists have done the exact same thing the wicked Roman secularists did: you marginalize the God of the Bible, the God of Judeo-Christianity, such that all other religious views are somehow to be celebrated, amazingly including rabid Islamism!!! But the ancient, biblically-held views of Christians are off-limits and are evil. So you very-rightly-labelled atheists are merely following the exact same script your governemtn-as-god predecessors followed.

    You don’t like your title atheist? Ultimately, you merely hate what you are and for very good reason. I actually feel very sorry for you.

  5. Richard Bucklew Says:

    A- Theism is the opposite of a religion. There is no dogma, no doctrine, no atheist bible, no rituals and no special day of worship. The courts have NEVER ruled that a- theism is a religion.

  6. Michael Eden Says:

    Richard, you are completely wrong and the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that you are completely wrong in your view that “atheism is not a religion.”

    https://www.quora.com/Has-the-U-S-Supreme-Court-recognized-atheism-as-equivalent-to-a-religion

    https://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/

    Further, we have religious groups such as Buddhists which have always universally been regarded as a religion that are NOT theistic, which in other words means “atheistic.”

    And so something calls “facts” and “history” proves you wrong. We have plenty of nontheistic religions. Yours happens to be one of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheistic_religion

    Now, what you DON’T have is any genuine foundation for ANYTHING YOU BELIEVE. According to your account, ultimately you only belieive whatever the hell you believe because the atoms in your brain randomly happened to align themselves in the manner they did:

    “But it should be pointed out that consistent atheism, which represents itself to be the most rational and logical of all approaches to reality, is in actuality completely self defeating and incapable of logical defense. That is to say, if indeed all matter has combined by mere chance, unguided by any Higher Power of Transcendental Intelligence, then it necessarily follows that the molecules of the human brain are also the product of mere chance. In other words, we think the way we do simply because the atoms and molecules of our brain tissue happen to have combined in the way they have, totally without transcendental guidance or control. So then even the philosophies of men, their system of logic and all their approaches to reality are the result of mere fortuity. There is no absolute validity to any argument advanced by the atheist against the position of theism.
    On the basis of his won presuppositions, the atheist completely cancels himself out, for on his own premises his arguments are without any absolute validity. By his own confession he thinks the way he does simply because the atoms in his brain happen to combine the way they do. If this is so, he cannot honestly say that his view is any more valid than the contrary view of his opponent. His basic postulates are self contradictory and self defeating; for when he asserts that there are no absolutes, he thereby is asserting a very dogmatic absolute. Nor can he logically disprove the existence of God without resorting to a logic that depends on the existence of God for its validity. Apart from such a transcendent guarantor of the validity of logic, any attempts at logic or argumentation are simply manifestations of the behavior of the collocation of molecules that make up the thinker’s brain.” — Gleason Archer, Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties, 1982, pp. 55-56

    You have absoulute no basis whatsoever for differentiating between right and wrong. If I disagree with you, then my opinion is every bit as valid as yours. And so we fight like animals until a tyrant seizes power and rules over us. That is the brutal story of your atheism. Communism is merely a synonym for “official state atheism,” given that every single communist regime was officially state atheist and every single officially atheist regime since the French Revolution has been communist. And under your system, every single time without fail, millions and millions and millions of people have been brutally murdered.

  7. Richard Bucklew Says:

    The Supreme Court ruled against kaufman in their findings for the specific and narrow effect of “forming a discussion group” in prison which the Warden disallowed. So LYING in order to make your case is a very Christian attribute.
    Atheism is a universal human trait. You for example are an atheist when it comes to the 5000 or so gods invented by men over the last 10,000 years or so. I actually just go one god further by stating ALL gods are an invention of man.
    There is no morals sound in your bible that cannot be found in every human civilization on earth. And in fact the Bible not only condones slavery, genocide, human sacrafice, genital mitigation and rape, it defines who, how , when and on what DAY these things should be accomplished!!

  8. Michael Eden Says:

    Kind of pathetic of you: I actually give you the link in which atheism was in fact ruled equivalent to a religion; I further substantiate my claim that one can be both “atheist” and “religious” by citing the factual existence of “religious atheists” such as Buddhist which anyone with common sense and basic intelligence would say is a religion. So for you to accuse me of being a liar is a sick joke on your part and the reason I am going to block you. I don’t need to waste my time on slanderers who personally attack with no legitimate basis.

    You are making up fanciful stories when you say that “atheism is a human trait.” For the vast majority of human history, it has in fact been a virtually nonexistent human trait. Virtually all peoples and people groups have yielded to the universal human trait to worship. It is only a particularly sick group of people who like most other sicknesses are getting worse and more numerous who refuse to yield themselves to the basic universal human trait to worship.

    As an atheist, you have absolutely ZERO foundation to ANY claim of morality. According to the diaries of his most closest inner circle, Adolf Hitler was an avowed atheist and I have documented his atheism by directly quoting from the diaries of inner circle Nazis such as Joseph Goebbels and Albert Spear and elsewhere that Adolf Hitler was an atheist:

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/hitler-wasnt-right-wing-wasnt-christian-and-nazism-was-applied-darwinism/

    We also similarly know for a fact that Joseph Stalin was an atheist; that Chairman Mao was an atheist; that Pol Pot was an atheist; that the Kims of North Korea were atheists, etc. Simply put are two very basic facts: 1) is that the most murderous human beings in the history of the world were avowed atheists and these monsters in turn created the most monstrous political system in the history of the world given to official state atheism. And 2) is the fact that they in any way, shape or form were “bad atheists.” Because the ONLY thing that makes someone a bad atheist is believing in God. You can be the most evil vermin on earth and be a perfectly good atheist.

    So I literally am amazed that a person who holds the worldview that is responsible for the mass brutal murder of more than 100 million people just in peacetime alone would actually enough of an appalling hypocrite that you feel somehow justified in talking smack about the Bible. Another example of a man who thinks just like you is the worst mass murderer in American history, who gunned down 500 people in Las Vegas. Like you, he was a man of no religion. I can just see that man, prior to going to that hotel to target country music people who are the most God-fearing of any music genre, lecturing me just like you are on how awful those Bible people are.

    I challenged you to provide me a moral system whereby I ought to do something even if it isn’t in my self-interest because it is the right thing to do, and all you can do is wave your hand in the assertion that “There is no morals sound in your bible that cannot be found in every human civilization on earth” is about as obvious of a untruth as there can be: ask the people who managed to survive Chairman Mao’s atheistic Cultural Revolution if atheist Communist China had such morals that are found in the Bible and which shaped the very best of Western Civilization which produced democracy; ask the people who survived Pol Pot’s Killing Fields, ask the people who survived Stalin’s purges, ask the people who survived Hitler’s Holocaust, if you’re not a whackjob for making such ridiculously false claims. Of course, most of the people who were victims of your ideology are dead, crushed by a totalitarian system that is the inevitable result of not having a God and therefore creating a State that grows to fill the vacuum which has happened.

    There was a time in my life that I questioned as a young man whether I ought to believe the religion and the God my parents taught me about. One of my early major revelations was the fact that if there were no God, then anything and everything was permissible. And yet I believed very deeply that there WAS right and wrong, good and evil. And I realized that if I were an atheist and had ANY “moral views” whatsoever, I would be nothing more than a pathetic hypocrite parasitically pirating and leeching from the obviously superior worldview that yes, there IS a God.

    How does atheism create moral “oughtness”??? If I want to torture or rape or kill, why should I refrain from doing what I want to do? We have predators and we have prey; how are the predators morally wrong??? What standard can you offer to me to provide me this moral framework??? If it is in my interest to steal, why should I not steal, especially if I can steal (or torture, or rape or kill) and successfully get away with it??? And since on your own view an Adolf Hitler and a Billy Graham end up taking the exact same dirt nap together how are ultimate moral consequences even possible???

    I am blocking you because you chose in your ugliness to come to my blog and slander me without cause and then proceed in your rabid intolerance to attack my religion. You are obviously a very negative, bitter, unhappy person. I actually feel sad for you and hope one day you find that Jesus is the answer to the obviously gigantic hole in your soul that you have.

    I humbly suggest to you that if you want to have an actual conversation, rather than be a rabid hater, that you somehow refrain from your instinct to go to people’s houses and start calling them a liar and attacking their most dearly held beliefs.

  9. Richard Bucklew Says:

    In Hitler’s early political statements, he expressed himself to the German public as a Christian. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches prior to and in the early years of his rule, he described himself as a Christian. Hitler and the Nazi party promoted “Positive Christianity”, a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament. In one widely quoted remark, he described Jesus as an “Aryan fighter” who struggled against “the power and pretensions of the corrupt Pharisees” and Jewish materialism. Get an education before you debate someone who knows more about your cult of human sacrafice than you do!

  10. Michael Eden Says:

    Geez, dude, I thought I had blocked you because you can’t act like a civilized human being. I mean, you’re like a rapist. Lock the door on this atheist rapist and he’ll climb in through the window and try to rape you again.

    I provided the link where Adolf Hitler is very clearly revealed to have been an atheist right here, but I’ll just copy and paste. Before I do that, let me just say that you’re clearly a great fan of Adolf Hitler in that you believe that he was such a great truth teller when he was demagoguing the masses. I mean, as a fellow atheist, you actually believe the man. I, however, believe that this Nazi that you think was so honest in his public speeches was in reality the worst and most cynical liar. And that he lied to the masses and told the truth to his closest inner circle who shared his evil ideology.

    For the record, if you were to go to my article, you will note that I go on to very specifically detail how Nazism was a violent rejection to Judeo-Christianity. Nazism was a violent rejection to transcendence in general. They hated the Jews who wrote the Bible, and they manufactured a false Jesus who had absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the Jesus of the Bible who presented Himself as the Messiah of Israel, the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.

    This is what Hitler really stood for:

    From Joseph Goebbels’ diary, dated 8 April 1941 (Tue):
    “The Fuhrer is a man totally attuned to antiquity. He hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity. According to Schopenhauer, Christianity and syphilis have made humanity unhappy and unfree. What a difference between the benevolent, smiling Zeus and the pain-wracked, crucified Christ. The ancient peoples’ view of God was also much nobler and more humane than the Christians’. What a difference between a gloomy cathedral and a light, airy ancient temple. He describes life in ancient Rome: clarity, greatness, monumentality. The most wonderful republic in history. We would feel no disappointment, he believes, if we were now suddenly to be transported to this old, eternal city.”
    Goebbels also notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had “expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity.” [Elke Frölich. 1997-2008. Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels. Munich: K. G. Sauer. Teil I, v. 6, p. 272].
    Hitler also said, “Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.” [Hitler’s Table Talk, Enigma Books; 3rd edition October 1, 2000, p. 343].
    Author Konrad Heiden quoted Hitler as stating, “We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany.” [Heiden, Konrad A History of National Socialism, A.A. Knopf, 1935, p. 100].
    Albert Speer – another Nazi who worked extremely closely with Hitler – reports in his memoirs of a similar statement made by Hitler:
    “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” [Albert Speer. 1971. Inside the Third Reich Translated by Richard Winston, Clara Winston, Eugene Davidson. New York: Macmillan. p 143; Reprinted in 1997. Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs. New York: Simon and Schuster. p. 96. ISBN 0-684-82949-5].
    Adolf Hitler sounds like an atheist to me. Certainly, Hitler was absolutely not a Christian. He cynically used Christianity like he cynically used everything else that was good; he took ruthless advantage of it as simply another means by which to package his lies to the German people.
    The fact of the matter is that Fascism and Nazism were quintessentially hostile to Christianity, and even to monotheism.
    Hannah Arendt describes Nazi spirituality in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem:
    When convicted Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann went to the gallows, “He was in complete command of himself, nay, he was more; he was completely himself. Nothing could have demonstrated this more convincingly than the grotesque silliness of his last words. He began by stating emphatically that he was a Gottglaubiger, to express in common Nazi fashion that he was no Christian and did not believe in life after death” [p. 252].

    Now, I know you are the most brilliant man you ever met. I know you are the smartest man you know. That is why you are such a pompous, smarmy ass and you’re just the kind of man the Bible describes when it says, “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” and “They are always learning, but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.”

    But you clearly reveal yourself in all of your arrogant diatribe to be what the Psalm delcares when it says, “The FOOL has said, there is no God.”

    I’ll block you again, knowing now that you lack the basic decency to stay out of people’s houses after being so rude they threw you out.

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