For The Record, If Bush Were Still President, GM Would Still Be Just As Alive And Osama Bin Laden Would Still Be Just As Dead

Apparently, that was Joe Biden’s – who by even both the liberals’ accounts (Kirsten Powers and Joe Trippi) on Fox News gave a better speech than did Obama – best line.  Osama bin Laden is dead and G.M. is alive.

First of all, who seriously believes that if George Bush were still president Osama bin Laden would still be alive?  Because unless you are so demon-possessed that you literally believe crap like this, that is as stupid as it is crazy (whereas if you DO believe that aforementioned crap like this it is as crazy as it is stupid).

I talk about this at some length in another article.  First of all, the vision to get bin Laden was not Obama’s; it was George Bush’s back in 2001:

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush pledged anew Friday that Osama bin Laden will be taken “dead or alive,” no matter how long it takes, amid indications that the suspected terrorist may be bottled up in a rugged Afghan canyon. The president, in an Oval Office meeting with Thailand’s prime minister, would not predict the timing of bin Laden’s capture but said he doesn’t care how the suspect is brought to justice. “I don’t care, dead or alive — either way,” Bush said. “It doesn’t matter to me.”

You don’t think that George Bush would have approved the mission to kill that bastard?  Seriously?  I make the comparison between the way that the leftwing media gives John F. Kennedy exclusive credit for the 1969 moon landing even though the man had been dead for six years when we landed on the moon and Richard Nixon was president.  It’s just funny how the same people who refuse to give the Republican any credit because it was the previous president’s vision would so hypocritically refuse to give the Republican any credit for the bin Laden killing even though getting bin Laden was his vision.

It was the intelligence that was developed by George Bush by means of WATERBOARDING that we ultimately got bin Laden:

Of all the terrorists we captured, we only waterboarded three of them.  And it was those exact same three terrorists who told us that Osama bin Laden was living somewhere in the city of Abbottabad in Pakistan and that he was depending on a courier to stay in contact with al Qaeda.  From that point on, it was just a matter of time to develop more information about identifying and tracking that courier to the precise location in that city.

Interestingly, whether we’re talking about the survival of G.M. or the killing of bin Laden, if it hadn’t been for George Bush, Barack Obama wouldn’t have been able to accomplish either.  Because it was George Bush who provided the $13.4 billion stopgap loan that allowed G.M. to survive before Obama took office.  And it was George Bush who developed the intelligence that allowed us to make the ultimate breakthrough to finally get bin Laden.  Unless you think Obama would have had the moral courage to do what needed to be done and waterboard those three terrorists to ultimately break them and psychologically bring them to the point where they would tell us what they otherwise would never have told us.

Was Obama’s decision to get bin Laden courageous?  Not really.  First of all, he pulled a “cover your ass” trick by giving the authority to decide to launch the raid to the admiral in charge of the Special Operations Command.  So if the mission ended in disaster, it wasn’t going to be Obama’s fault; it was going to be Admiral McRaven’s fault and Obama would have been positioned as a victim of poor military leadership.  But that’s hardly the only reason it wasn’t anything at all the most courageous decision ever-ever the way the Democrats keep saying.

Let me put it to you this way: what would have happened had Obama refused to get the terrorist leader who murdered 3,000 Americans and started a massive war?  Don’t think for a second that fact wouldn’t have come out, because there would have been hundreds of military and intelligence professionals who had dedicated their entire lives to get that sonofabitch, and there is no question they would have leaked the cowardice of the president for refusing to do what had to be done.  You can argue that Obama would have been criticized if he’d gone in there and the mission had ended in disaster; but if he hadn’t gone he would have been DONE.  I literally believe that Republicans would have brought up articles of impeachment for Obama’s refusal to protect and defend the American people and enough Democrats would have voted for it to force Obama out of office.  And I claim that because the American people would have been furious that American intelligence had identified precisely where the worst mass-murderer of Americans in history was and the president refused to take him out when he had the chance.  As happy as we were that bin Laden was dead, we would have been TWICE as pissed if we learned he had been allowed to get away scott free.

If George Bush were still president, the American intelligence apparatus would have still done its job and tracked bin Laden down; and George Bush would have killed him just as dead as he killed Saddam Hussein.  Unless you think that if Bush were president the SEALs wouldn’t have been able to pull of the mission; because the SEALs were afraid and prayed to Obama, “Oh, Messiah-Obama, steady my hand,” and Messiah Obama looked down from heaven and answered their prayers, and lo, Obama guided their hands such that their bullets found their mark.

If you’re not that stupid or just plain nuts, Osama bin Laden’s days were numbered from the moment the towers collapsed.

That is a fact.  And if you’ve got a case to show otherwise, I welcome you to produce it.  It’s going to be something like, “Only Barack Obama could have got bin Laden because he’s got unicorn-messiah power and Bush didn’t.”

Osama bin Laden would have been every scintilla as dead if George Bush were still president.  And the only difference is he would have very probably been dead sooner – because Obama knew where bin Laden was for nine damn months prior to going in to get him which put the entire operation at substantial risk.  Had bin Laden moved, we would have been back to square one – only we would have had a president who wouldn’t have waterboarded the information out of bin Laden’s followers.

And General Motors would have been just as alive if not more so.

As I’ve already pointed out, it was GEORGE W. BUSH who approved the stopgap loan that kept General Motors and Chrysler:

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — President Bush announced a rescue plan for General Motors and Chrysler LLC Friday morning that will make $13.4 billion in federal loans available almost immediately.

The money will come from the $700 billion fund set aside to bail out Wall Street firms and banks in October.

With these loans, Treasury will have committed virtually all of the $350 billion of that fund that it can hand out without additional authorization from Congress. Once Congress releases the other $350 billion, the two automakers will be able to borrow an additional $4 billion.

GM (GM, Fortune 500) will get $9.4 billion from the first allocation of federal loan money, while Chrysler would get the other $4 billion.

The loans are for three years, but the money will have to be repaid in full within 30 days if the firms do not show themselves to be viable by March 31.

Bush: “Preventing disorderly bankruptcy”

During brief remarks at the White House, President Bush said in normal times he would have not been in favor of preventing a bankruptcy of the two companies. But the current state of the economy and credit markets left him no choice but to act.

Bush kept G.M. and Chrysler alive as much as Obama did.  If it hadn’t been for Bush,there wouldn’t have been anything left for Obama to bail out.  And if the media weren’t anything other than rabidly biased and dishonest, they’d point that fact out.

The same rabidly biased and dishonest media that would rather spit in Bush’s face than give him credit for anything positive have deceitfully fabricated a line that they have since repeatedly demonized Mitt Romney over: “Let Detroit go bankrupt.”  Nobody is more irresponsible or dishonest than liberal journalists.  The dishonest New York Times literally provided the headline for Romney (writers almost NEVER get to title their pieces) and then demonized him for the title that THEY had given his op-ed.  If you read the pieces that Mitt Romney wrote – here and here – what you will find is that Romney favored a managed bankruptcy in which G.M. and Chrysler would enter the bankruptcy process and the government would partner with the auto manufacturers and provide assistance as needed to ensure that the companies remained viable and ALIVE.

If you read the pieces, you will also see a fact mentioned that liberals never bother to mention when they demonize Mitt Romney for letting G.M. go bankrupt: G.M. DID FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY UNDER OBAMA, just as it would have under Mitt Romney.

LOTS of American companies have famously gone into and emerged successfully out of bankruptcy.  And particularly given the fact that Obama let G.M. go bankrupt, the self-congratulatory crowing by Obama and the attacks against Mitt Romney is simply a profoundly dishonest ploy from incredibly dishonest people.  

Liberals are pathologically dishonest people who don’t give a DAMN about the facts or about truth when they can fabricate a straw man and then demonize their straw man with deceitful rhetoric.

There is simply no way that George Bush or Mitt Romney would have allowed General Motors to go the way of the Dodo bird.  Any more than either of them would have passed up the opportunity to rid the world of bin Laden.  As both Bush and Romney pointed out, General Motors and American auto manufacturing were too important to the nation.  It was only a matter of how to get GM to health.  All that Obama truly did was make sure the unions had enough power to ultimately destroy GM in the future, quite frankly.

Excuse my language, but whenever Democrats pull the lines out of their butts that Obama got bin Laden or Obama saved General Motors, realize that what they are really admitting is that the Obama presidency has been such a massive and catastrophic failure that they have absolutely nothing to run on but pure rhetorical bullshit.

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7 Responses to “For The Record, If Bush Were Still President, GM Would Still Be Just As Alive And Osama Bin Laden Would Still Be Just As Dead”

  1. Christopher Watts Says:

    Osama bin Laden was a CIA agent. The Bush presidency was a massive and catastrophic failure. The Bush administration authorized the first auto loan of $17.4 billion in October 2008. Republicans are pathologically dishonest people who don’t give a DAMN about the facts or about truth, or the citizens of the United States. Mitt Romney is a closet liberal, left of Sen. Ted Kennedy when he was Gov. of Massachusetts.
    You have nothing to run on but pure rhetorical bullshit.
    There are many US citizens that have helped make this country
    great, you will never be one of them.
    Have a nice eternity.

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    Christopher Watts,

    It’s funny that you decry me as a liar without a) citing a single damn lie that you claim I told and b) telling a whopper of a lie in your very first sentence.

    You are a leftwing turd who lives in a demon-possessed realm of lies. That’s all you are.

    Hey, I found bin Laden being called a CIA agent. It was Fidel Castro who did that:

    Castro said documents posted on WikiLeaks.org – a website that recently released thousands of pages of classified documents from the Afghan war – “effectively proved he was a CIA agent.” He did not elaborate.

    I will not make myself puke by wasting time with a complete lunatic like you.

    The interesting thing here is that by your idiotic ranting, we should STILL vote for Romney. After all, you say conservatives are evil, but don’t worry because Mitt Romney really is one of the good guys.

    Get lost.

  3. Christopher Watts Says:

    Decry?
    I did?
    Show me where I decry you as a liar once.

    Explain to me how you determine that I am leftwing.
    Or that I am a turd.

    How do you determine that I suggested in any way
    that we should STILL vote for Romney?

    Why would I vote to harm by country?

  4. Christopher Watts Says:

    Don’t want to play little man?

  5. Michael Eden Says:

    I was actually looking through my spam to find a demon-possessed comment blaspheming Jesus that I’d sent there and ran into Christopher’s responses that had gone direct to spam because I’d blocked him.

    I’ll be blocking Christopher all over again, but some people are so full of deceit and dishonesty that you’ve got to kind of frame them on the wall as poster boys, and Christopher turns out to be one of those poster boys.

    So let me replay his replying comment and then replay the one that I first responded to:

    Decry?
    I did?
    Show me where I decry you as a liar once.

    Christopher Watts’ comment to me before he claimed that he had never said I was a liar or decried me:

    “You have nothing to run on but pure rhetorical bullshit. There are many US citizens that have helped make this country great, you will never be one of them.”

    So, let’s see, Christopher. Either you are literally stating that you equate “pure rhetorical bullshit” with truthfulness such that one is the same as the other or you are clearly calling me a liar. You further attack me and tell me that I am very much NOT somebody who helps make America great. So either you are saying that people who help tear down America are great, or you are DECRYING me just as I accurately said you were.

    And that there are so many demons crawling around screaming in your skull that you would come back and say you never decried me as a liar is as breathtaking as it is frightening. You are quite literally completely severed from reality.

    Explain to me how you determine that I am leftwing.
    Or that I am a turd.

    You are a turd by definition of how you demonized me and then had the insect balls to deny that you demonized me. And you should go out and lay in the yard with the other turds.

    Why would I say you are leftwing? Because I couldn’t help but notice that you begin your post attacking George Bush, then proceed to attack Mitt Romney, then proceed to attack me as a conservative/Republican. And yet somehow you didn’t manage to think about so much as a single word against Obama or Democrats.

    Maybe I’m the only guy who saw that. And maybe it was just a complete random coincidence that you damned Republicans up one side and down the other with utter lies that came from YOUR FELLOW COMMUNISTS (as I documented in my first comment to you).

    I have on many occassions had liberals post who were pretending to be “Republicans” or “moderates” etc. to then slander conservatives under false pretenses. I actually documented a guy doing it because he went from calling himself a liberal in his avatar in previous comments to calling himself a conservative in his avatar and yet he was posting from the same IP address. And as I point out <a href="https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/of-liberalism-victimism-avoidance-projection-and-other-personality-disorders/” target=”_blank”>in this article, that is a typical tactic of the left. We caught a lesbian carving swastikas in her own body to falsely blame “conservatives” for the “attack.” We caught liberals vandalizing a Democrat headquarters to make it appear that the Tea Party did it. At tea party protests, we had liberals carrying ugly signs with racist and hateful slogans to try to falsely demonize the Tea Party. And we go back to Saul Alinsky telling liberal protestors to go to a George H.W. Bush speech dressed as Ku Klux Klansmen and appear to support him.

    That’s all you’re doing, Watts. And as a former teacher and professor I smell your stink when you try to cheat.

    How do you determine that I suggested in any way
    that we should STILL vote for Romney?

    I don’t know, Christopher, maybe it’s because you just got through saying this:

    “Republicans are pathologically dishonest people who don’t give a DAMN about the facts or about truth, or the citizens of the United States.”

    Let me do the logic flow: “Republicans are pathologically dishonest people who don’t give a DAMN about the facts or about truth, or the citizens of the United States.” Mitt Romney is a Republican and the current leader of the Republican Party. Ergo sum, Mitt Romney is the leader of “pathologically dishonest people who don’t give a DAMN about the facts or about truth, or the citizens of the United States.”

    So it is rather clear that either you are saying that Republicans are pathologically dishonest people who don’t give a DAMN about the facts or about truth, or the citizens of the United States, and that is a good thing so we should vote for Republicans and vote for Mitt Romney, or you are a flat-out demon-possessed lying cockroach.

    Why would I vote to harm by country?

    I don’t know. Probably because of all the demons you have in your soul. All I know is that you are trying to undermine Mitt Romney and therefore to advance Barack Obama. There are two men who have a chance to be president, and in demonizing Romney, you are ipso facto trying to help Obama.

    Now get lost. You are a liar who literally then lies about your lies.

    When you enounter somebody as pathologically dishonest as Christopher Watts, there is no point trying to have any kind of discussion with that individual. The only way you CAN have a meaningful dialogue with someone is if he or she has the basic integrity to not present lies as “facts” and then takes responsibility for what he or she says. This turd isn’t capable of doing either.

  6. Anonymous Says:

    You are lying and the proof I site is your post.

    Bush was not even looking for bin laden and emitted it!

    Also Bush served 2 terms and could not be president without a Coup de ta

    You enter article is a lie from its title on down.

    Even the Website name is a lie if Right means correct.

    Bit if it means Right wing then it is more proof you you bs.

  7. Michael Eden Says:

    Anonymous,

    Spoken like a true dishonest liar without shame, without honor and without integrity.

    Bush “emitted” he wasn’t looking for bin Laden? You LIAR. I actually did a search on the question, “Did Bush say he wasn’t looking for bin Laden?” and got a few hits. There are a couple of quotes that the left pulls out; but if somebody were HONEST (which YOU sure as hell aren’t), you find that he doesn’t say what you liars say he said.

    As an example, here’s a lefty site which headlines “6 Months After 9/11 Bush Said He Wasn’t Concerned About Bin Laden.” And they give you part of a statement. But here’s the full statement from 3/13/02:

    Q But don’t you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won’t truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

    But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became — we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we — excuse me for a minute — and if we find a training camp, we’ll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That’s one of the things — part of the new phase that’s becoming apparent to the American people is that we’re working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.

    And we’ve got more work to do. See, that’s the thing the American people have got to understand, that we’ve only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don’t know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it’s going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I’m not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake. And history has called us to action, and I am going to seize this moment for the good of the world, for peace in the world and for freedom.

    This link at freerepublic provides a number of other Bush remarks on the subject in the complete context that you libaral liars refuse to give him.

    Another remark from Bush explains why he said he wasn’t particularly concerned about bin Laden:

    BUSH: Well, deep in my heart, I know the man’s on the run if he’s alive at all. And I — you know, who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not? We hadn’t heard from him in a long time.

    And the idea of focusing on one person is really — indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror’s bigger than one person. And he’s just — he’s a person who has now been marginalized. His network is — his host government has been destroyed. He’s the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match.

    He is — you know, as I mention in my speeches — I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death. And he, himself, tries to hide, if, in fact, he’s hiding at all.

    So I don’t know where he is. Nor — you know, I just don’t spend that much time on him really, to be honest with you. I’m more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well supplied, that the strategy is clear, that the coalition is strong, that when we find enemy bunched up, like we did in Shah-e-Kot mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

    Bin Laden is dead now; is the war on terror over, you liar? Or did al Qaeda just murder a US ambassador (something which hasn’t been done since Jimmy Carter’s failed presidency in 1979)? Or were four US embassies under attack with the al Qaeda flag flown on them???

    Bush rightly said that the war on terror was NOT about killing one rabid scumbag. And what just happened all over the Middle East as Obama’s failed policy completely melted down just proved Bush was right and you are a complete dishonest jackass.

    Bush NEVER said he wasn’t looking for bin Laden, you lying, slanderous, demon-possessed cockroach.

    Now get lost. You don’t get to slander the truth twice on this blog.

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