Who Won The Obama-Romney Debate Last Night: A Closer Look At The Post-Debate Poll Shows It Wasn’t Even CLOSE.

Here’s an interesting article which has the virtue of laying out the most important facts in a very few words:

CNN Poll: Obama wins overall, Romney wins many issues
Oct 16, 2012
by Carla Marinucci

The major post debate polls are showing most debate watchers think President Obama was the winner — and a typical finding comes in the CNN post-debate poll of registered voters who actually watched the debate. They were 33 percent Democratic and 33 percent Republican — which means it’s weighted a bit to include about 8 percent more Republicans than the voting population as a whole.

Bottom line: by 46-39 percent, the CNN.com poll respondents called Obama the winner. But asked who did the debate make you more likely to vote for, the respondents were tied between Romney and Obama, 25-25 percent.

Still, Romney won in other key areas:
*On who would better handle the economy: 58 percent Romney; 40 percent Obama.
*On who would better handle health care: 49 percent Romney; 46 percent Obama
*On taxes: 51 percent Romney; 44 percent Obama
*On who is a stronger leader: 49 percent Romney; 46 percent Obama
*On who is more likeable: 47 percent Obama: 41 percent Romney
*On who cares more about your life: 44 percent Obama; 40 percent Romney
*On who answered more directly: 45 percent Romney; 43 percent Obama

Okay, first the sampling of Republicans versus Democrats that Marinucci mentions.  It is incredibly interesting to me that CNN is giving Democrats an eight-point advantage in their sampling formula.  Do you know what the balance between Democrat and Republican voting was in the historic Obama wave election of 2008?  It was +7 Democrat.  CNN says it’s going to be +8 this time.  It’s really amazing when you stop and think about it: CNN and the other polling organizations that have such an oversampling formula for Democrats are literally predicting that this election will be even BIGGER for Obama than it was in 2008 when he was the messiah and everybody was blaming Bush and nobody could blame Obama because he promised hope and change.  Is that what you think?  Seriously?  Do you believe that the masses are even crazier for Obama now than they were four years ago?  I sure as hell don’t.

Okay, so the CNN poll shows that by a seven-point margin that Romney blew the doors off in the last debate, “Obama won the debate.”  You might remember that first debate – when Romney destroyed Obama by 50 damn points.

Well, here’s the question, when it’s time to vote, do you believe that voters will ask:

Who won that second debate?  The poll says maybe Obama did.  And the first debate that Romney won by fifty points is meaningless but that second debate was huge.  I’ll vote for Obama…

Or do you think they will ask:

Who will do a better job handling the economy?

If it is the second thing, like every sentient being (sorry Democrats, I know that rules you out) thinks it is, Mitt Romney won last night’s debate HUGE.  Who would better handle the economy?  After watching the debate, people by an 18-point margin chose Romney over Obama.

[Update, 10/17/12: Oh, my.  It’s even worse than I thought it was for Obama.  I found out that the CBS post-debate poll was even WORSE in proving that Obama has no answer for the economy and people overwhelmingly know he doesn’t.  Check this CBS article points out: the American people think that Mitt Romney will do a better job handling the economy than Obama by a 31-point margin (65% to 34%).

The Gallup poll among likely voters out today has Mitt Romney up by six points nationally.  I can’t imagine that Obama even slowed Romney’s momentum down last night.

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15 Responses to “Who Won The Obama-Romney Debate Last Night: A Closer Look At The Post-Debate Poll Shows It Wasn’t Even CLOSE.”

  1. Dog Walker Says:

    According to Obama, Romney only has a one point plan. Special rules for the rich.

    Reality. What I see is the emergence of a government aristocracy. I see public safety boys pulling in what rounds up to like 6 figures. For their education and talent there is nothing comparable in the private sector. Nowhere in the private sector can you stay on your job and collect your pension.

    Special rules… how about the special rule that government (state) get to skip out on contributing to Social Security. Us taxpayers are on the hook for the government aristocrats retirement and every benefit. They get to kick back in comfort and while Social Security accelerates in the direction of insolvency they get to reach deeper and squeeze tighter in grandpa’s pocket.

    There is this attempt to portray these government aristocrats as the middle class. They are no longer. Middle class no longer has those benefits and wages. Well maybe union guys. But the union guys I know, same as what I describe as government aristocrats. They are not middle class.

    There is like this weird shell game. They point at the uber rich. Guys like Soros and Buffet. I don’t know, I don’t like them but they are not the guys whose monopoly I can’t get away from.

    But hey, if I can’t pay my property tax, guess what? They seize my house and liquidate it on behalf of the government aristocrat.

    Across the street from me is a house just like that. Ol’ Billy worked his life and did the right thing. Lived within his means and satisfied his mortgage before he retired. After retiring his 401 collapsed and his Social Security wasn’t enough to pay his taxes.

    He lost his house to a tax lien. Guess who snapped it up. Yup, a government aristocrat was ready with the cash. Now it is income property for a government aristocrat. She rents it to Mexicans who get a housing subsidy from the government. Guess who they vote for.

    Ol’ Billy with the paid for house…

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    Dog Walker,

    Great point.

    What Obama says is that free market liberty is evil and that a Marxist-style control by an elite government Politburo “in the name of the people” is wonderful. That’s the “read between the lines” view of Obama’s plan.

  3. Anonymous Says:

    Do people really know the 99%the middle class ,who Obama trying to help.

  4. FMC Says:

    I recently heard that the Obama administration is giving Gallop a hard time again and that Rasmussen may have pissed somebody off. Just like his boss, Axelrod is a low life and criminal. Anyone that goes against this administration or is viewed as a threat ends up being sued, slandered, incarcerated or visited by the IRS. This is the American politburo in action. Just watching Obama in the last debate makes me despise him even more. It is beyond my ability to understand how anyone could be undecided at this point. The town-hall style debate included most people who were undecided. Most of these people seemed like your average American. In reality, they are idiots, mostly Carville’s cows or, in my opinion, sheople. I have met people that are still undecided. I have to restrain myself. This is getting very hard to do!

  5. Dog Walker Says:

    Mr Eden,

    I just got this email. I don’t know who it is from. I can’t really say or think that it is spam. But I don’t recognize the sender. Anyway… for your analysis or amusement.

    ++++++

    I am sick and tired of politics!

    Over the last couple of years, there has been a lot of tension over politics, and that division has intruded into my relationship with family and friends — particularly now with the upcoming election.

    In 2008, I voted for Obama. That was my right — I am a good person and I voted for him for good reasons. But that decision has created stress between some of us, and that has been hurtful. Yes, sometimes I have thrown Obama in your face and I am sorry about that — I truly am.

    Here is the thing. I don’t think you are stupid because you voted for McCain in ’08, and I’m not stupid because I voted for Barack Obama. We both want our country to go in the right direction, but we just have a difference of opinion as to what that direction is, and I’m entitled to my opinion.

    I didn’t vote for Obama because of all the “hope and change” stuff. I voted for him because I could relate to him on so many levels and I trusted him. If this guy were my neighbor, I would give him the key to my house. I admire the fact that from his very difficult childhood and struggles rose a candidate for president of the Untied States — and an African-American with an unusual name!

    I could relate to his desire to help people who most need it, to help the poor and elderly, children without medical care, and women in need. It seems like Republicans want to cut the important things people need most, and help the rich get richer. I feel like Republicans think Obama supporters are stupid.

    I was excited that Obama was going to end the policies of George Bush. I have to tell you, I really didn’t like George Bush, and though I still feel that way about him, after four years it’s not as clear to me why.

    But Obama against McCain, that was easy. Obama is more like me, energetic, young, loves his family.

    I got a glimpse of the Obama motorcade on arrival for the debates here in Denver, and that was cool — though it held up a lot of traffic, which was not cool.

    I watched this year’s first presidential debate closely and was disappointed in Obama. I found him depressing.

    However, the Barack Obama I saw in the second debate the other night is the Obama I voted for in ’08!

    He was “hitting on all cylinders” as Dad would say … but he wouldn’t about Obama, would he. ;-)

    I woke up Wednesday morning feeling invigorated. I had a chance to talk about the debate with friends, and some agreed with me. That was “the real Obama” seemed to be the consensus, but my two best friends didn’t share my enthusiasm.

    Later in the day, I ran into some friends who agreed that Obama won the debate — but they had some harsh criticism. One of my colleagues at the University said to me that she felt betrayed, like she had been tricked into voting for Obama the first time. A guy friend was much more callous, saying that he was now convinced that Obama was a phony and a liar.

    These two people were Obama’s biggest fans in ’08. Did they watch the same debate I watched Tuesday?

    Last night I had the uneasy feeling that something wasn’t right, something was out of place. After all the good vibes with the debate, I now find myself wondering if Obama was sincere, or if what I heard was just talk aimed at “emotional women,” like I’m not smart enough to vote on what I think rather than how I feel.

    And the more I think about all his comments Tuesday night, against the backdrop of the reality that things have gotten much worse in the last four years, not better as he seemed to claim, I’m not sure I trust Obama anymore. I’m more concerned now than I was in ’08.

    I think that Obama is still a good person and he wanted to do good things, but I’m bothered by the fact that he didn’t take responsibility for where our economy is now. That troubles me the most. It seems like he hasn’t grown into the job and hasn’t done much of anything he said he would do, and he’s still blaming George Bush. Meanwhile, the number of unemployed citizens and poor families has grown a lot.

    So why am I writing you?

    I know Mitt Romney is a genuine person who really does love his family, who really does care about people from all walks of life. Part of me doesn’t like the fact that part of me likes Romney! I am conflicted. I’m not writing to say that I am voting for Romney, but I have decided not to vote for Obama.

    Don’t tell Dad or I’ll never hear the end of it!

    Karen

  6. Dog Walker Says:

    (a university of Colorado student if you don’t get that from the context.)

  7. Dog Walker Says:

    Er, not Colorado, Denver.

  8. Millie Says:

    Dog walker, thank you for your great letter. I think what is happening is that you are feeling that you have been wrong about some things. I used to be a democrat so feel that I can respond to you. You have been hoodwinked, believed what you were told. We all felt the same way about JFK in the 60s. He was much more moderate and if you will notice, the hardline Dems will not talk much about him now, yet he was one of the most energetic and intelligent presidents, still very popular.

    I urge you to read everything you can. Going back thru the old posts here is a good start and if you really want some eye opening information, read the Ulsterman Report (on line), particularly anything with White House Insider mentioned in it. It is horrible how the democratic party has become so riddled with corruption. But that’s me talking because truthfully, it always has. They held down the slaves in the 1800s, not allowing them to vote, intimidating them. Lincoln’s party was the republican party and we know they freed the slaves and worked hard to end a horrible time in our history. In the 1900s it was little better for blacks in our country, the democrats would not let them join the unions, would not let them vote and where exactly do you think poll taxes and poll tests came from? Many blacks had little education and could not bear these burdens. But NOW the democrats scream if we say something about voter identification. Because they are cheating and registering dead people.

    Michael, writer of this blog is so very right. When the dems do something it’s OK but if the repubs do it, they are pond scum.

    Don’t get me wrong, There are plenty of bad folks on this side of the aisle. But what we need to do is end Obama’s presidency. Mitt Romney is the best chance at it. He seems to be a good and decent and kind man who has done a fine job raising his family, volunteering, being a missionary for his church, giving way more money to charity than anyone else I know, and working as a business man. There are some people who lost their jobs during that process but the majority of them retained their jobs. It will be this way when he gets in, some people will probably lose things they have worked for BUT it is necessary to get control of the runaway debt.

    But he has experience. Obama has not one lick of working in the work force. Community organizer doesn’t get it. I’m still not sure what that meant. A partial term at the senate. A bit of lecturing (he was NOT a professor as some would have you believe) and some time as a lawyer, but not much. He lost his law degree for unknown reasons. We cannot be sure he was even born in the USA. What the circumstances were of his childhood and college years. The transparency he promised is hidden. He is good at talking points, if you will notice, his speeches all sound the same.
    Now the most important part. If you vote for someone else, you are throwing your vote away. To not vote for him is not enough. You have to make the vote count. Mr. Romney isn’t my first choice, I liked Mr. Cain very much and thought Mr. Trump would have kicked ass (although he is a piss poor public speaker). They had to destroy Mr. Cain because then they couldn’t claim racism if we voted for a different black guy. What an intelligent and straight forward thinking man he is! In any case, Mr. Romney is the only other choice. A vote for another candidate will equal Barack Obama moving ahead as the race is between him and Mr. Romney.

    I hope you get the time to read this, it’s taken me a while to type and I’m at work right now, watching the business that I work for slowly circle the drain. I’m terrified. I will lose my house, my pets, everything, if things don’t pick up. What we sell here are things we WANT but not necessarily NEED. So people can make do and do without our items. About half of our employees have left in the last 9 months. Terrifying. I have two college degrees and I’m 20 credits from a third one and the best I can manage is 10.00 an hour in a retail manager situation. I want a better life. Under Barack Obama, this won’t happen. And I will lose what I do have.

    Please vote for Mr. Romney. And go and read and look and see. There are some great blogs out there, and you will find the truth in some of them. Ask us questions here if you have to.

    I’m sorry you were wrong about voting for BO. (Psst..I voted for Carter. There. Now we have shared secrets! ) There were some people in IA, I think it was, this morning, who took out an ad in the paper and said they were sorry they’d voted for him. Everyone got caught up in the excitement of a young man and a black man and how progressive the country is, etc. It happened to a lot of people.

    Oh, and go see the 2012 movie. I haven’t yet, it’s on video, I want to buy it but frankly cannot afford the $23 I’d need to buy it. My dogs need their food and although I have few bad habits, I do like my one coke every day. I am very interested in seeing it, though. They use BO’s own words and interviews with people who knew him to put it together.

    Please think hard. And thank you for writing your note, I’m sure more people understand you than you think they do. Others have made boo boos, too. We can fix this boo boo, though.
    One last thing: Once we get Mr. Romney into office, we see how he handles things. I think he will be very honest. I think he is trying to figure out what is best for the country. If he can just start to turn things around, that will be something. We can also work on getting some more tea party people into office to support the government the way we want to. I am disappointed in some that I voted for in 2010. I think that more needed to be done. I realize there is a LOT to fix, but would have preferred to see some of them taking a more active role than they have. Perhaps they have been seduced and I’m sure it’s easy to be that way in this kind of situation. But I expected better and they won’t get my vote again.

  9. Dog Walker Says:

    Millie,
    You missed the whole point of that post. My writing is only the first four lines of that post. The rest of that post is me quoting or excerpting an email that I received from a University of Denver student. I guess maybe it wasn’t that obvious. But the long and the short of what I interpret “Karen” as saying, is that a lot of die hard Obama supporters are going to be staying home in November. I think Colorado might come in as either light or dark red. I suggest reading it again with the understanding that I am quoting a young coed from DU named Karen.

  10. Michael Eden Says:

    Dog Walker,

    My take on the letter/article is that the following best summarizes her views:

    In 2008, I voted for Obama. That was my right — I am a good person and I voted for him for good reasons. But that decision has created stress between some of us, and that has been hurtful. Yes, sometimes I have thrown Obama in your face and I am sorry about that — I truly am.

    Here is the thing. I don’t think you are stupid because you voted for McCain in ’08, and I’m not stupid because I voted for Barack Obama. We both want our country to go in the right direction, but we just have a difference of opinion as to what that direction is, and I’m entitled to my opinion.

    I didn’t vote for Obama because of all the “hope and change” stuff. I voted for him because I could relate to him on so many levels and I trusted him. If this guy were my neighbor, I would give him the key to my house. I admire the fact that from his very difficult childhood and struggles rose a candidate for president of the Untied States — and an African-American with an unusual name!

    I could relate to his desire to help people who most need it, to help the poor and elderly, children without medical care, and women in need. It seems like Republicans want to cut the important things people need most, and help the rich get richer. I feel like Republicans think Obama supporters are stupid.

    I was excited that Obama was going to end the policies of George Bush. I have to tell you, I really didn’t like George Bush, and though I still feel that way about him, after four years it’s not as clear to me why.

    But Obama against McCain, that was easy. Obama is more like me, energetic, young, loves his family.

    Well, of course, I would argue she was stupid in 2008 – and the only way she can call herself “a good person” for her vote is if “stupidity” equals “good.” It’s not merely a “difference of opinion.” I mean, maybe I like chocolate ice cream and you like strawberry; THAT’S a difference of opinion. We are talking about Obama’s entire worldview not corresponding with the real world and it failing as a result of not corresponding to the real world. We are talking about REALITY. And to claim that reality boils down to “opinion” is asinine. Obamanomics doesn’t work because it is based on a completely bogus view of the world. That isn’t an “opinion” any more, if it ever WAS one.

    Then she goes on to say why she voted for Obama and not McCain: because she related to Obama. To the point where the gullible, naive girl would give him the keys to her house. Complete messianic trust.

    I wouldn’t give Mitt Romney the keys to my house. Because I only give the keys to my house to close family members. One of the reasons I’m not a liberal is that I would never worship a false messiah the way she did.

    But beside that, unless you are an incredibly accomplished world leader, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO ELECT A PRESIDENT WHO IS LIKE YOUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR??? WHY WOULDN’T THIS IDIOT GIRL PREFER SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THE HELL HE’S DOING?

    She goes on to describe her silly little bubble she’d lived in for the last four years being popped:

    Later in the day, I ran into some friends who agreed that Obama won the debate — but they had some harsh criticism. One of my colleagues at the University said to me that she felt betrayed, like she had been tricked into voting for Obama the first time. A guy friend was much more callous, saying that he was now convinced that Obama was a phony and a liar.

    These two people were Obama’s biggest fans in ’08. Did they watch the same debate I watched Tuesday?

    Last night I had the uneasy feeling that something wasn’t right, something was out of place. After all the good vibes with the debate, I now find myself wondering if Obama was sincere, or if what I heard was just talk aimed at “emotional women,” like I’m not smart enough to vote on what I think rather than how I feel. […]

    I know Mitt Romney is a genuine person who really does love his family, who really does care about people from all walks of life. Part of me doesn’t like the fact that part of me likes Romney! I am conflicted. I’m not writing to say that I am voting for Romney, but I have decided not to vote for Obama.

    Here’s the worst thing of all: Obama has failed. And he has failed the people who most bought his “hopey changey” bullcrap. Blacks, women, college students like herself. Fully HALF of college graduates – the entire class that voted for Obama in such historic droves – can’t get a damn job in Obama’s failed economy. And it’s just hard to paper that kind of REALITY with a bunch of stupid dishonest fabrications.

    I’m rather amazed by how weak her support is for her messiah, that the opinions of a few friends can changer her whole view of the universe. I guess my beliefs are more thought-out and therefore more closely held.

    But it is a good sign indeed that there is a real possibility of a gigantic asskicking building, such as when the polls said Jimmy Carter was going to win until Ronald Reagan used Jimmy Carter’s face as a mop in 1980…

  11. Michael Eden Says:

    FMC,

    Yeah, I wrote about that Gallup thing: https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/obama-vs-gallup-when-a-communist-dictator-doesnt-like-the-polls-he-has-the-pollster-shot/

    And the Gallup people specifically felt like they were being intimidated and FELT intimidated by Axelrod and Obama’s thug administration tactics.

    I have long-since come to the realization that the real problem of “stupidity in America” begins with MORAL stupidity. The stupidest people in America have PhDs, because they have radically committed themselves to learning a depraved view of the world that is completely contrary to the way God actually made the world. They believe theories – coming from Marxism, fascism, and the umbrella ‘ism’ of socialism – and they proceed to do everything they can to convince others that what is in reality a giant load of secular humanist crap is “sophisticated.” And as we learned from the fifty years of German intellectual thought that shaped and ultimately gave us Nazism, ideas have consequences. And of course you have a mass culture that pumps this crap into unthinking people’s minds in the music and TV shows and movies and entertainment they so mindlessly consume.

    I never cease to be amazed at all the damn people who are plugged in to iPods. It’s like they can’t stand to be alone with their own inner-selves for even a second so they must listen to something else to fill the void that their souls have become. I work out in a gym and damn near EVERYBODY is hooked up to one of those damn things. I take daily hikes out in the desert and both of the two people I’ve seen who intersect with me in the wilderness are wearing iPods. And I’m trying to get their attention to tell them, “You know there are a lot of rattlesnakes out here and you won’t be able to hear one warning you before it bites,” but they are too tuned out to the real world to hear me. And it is people like this who are just empty selves begging to be filled by something, by ANYTHING else, who are vote for Obama. Because they are empty, hollow moral idiots who trust virtually EVERYTHING more than they trust their own now-shriveled common sense.

    That’s my take on it, anyway…

  12. Dog Walker Says:

    My favorite blog…

    https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/more-proof-democrats-destroyed-the-economy-in-2008-the-ongoing-fannie-maefreddie-mac-disaster/

  13. FMC Says:

    Dog Walker,

    I can still hear Barney Frank and “Douche” Dodd proclaiming that Fannie and Freddie are perfectly fine, despite people like Peter Schiff, who gave accurate and dire warnings regarding the two GSE’s before their collapse. Even George Bush seen the writing-on-the-wall and tried 17 times to reform Fannie and Freddie, while receiving fierce opposition from liberal democrats. Liberal democrats had very much to do with the collapse of 08′. However, to this day, they vehemently deny any wrong doing and put the entire blame on the free market. Liberal democrats are the lowest form of scum in the universe and they need to be utterly defeated in November. If I had my way, they would all be promptly deported to places like Russia and communist China!

  14. Michael Eden Says:

    Dog Walker,

    Thanks for that. It’s kind of sad, but those detailed economic articles (with a very few notable exceptions) that I write tend to get the fewest reads even though they take the most time to write. When I started political blogging I was appalled at how little writing had been done on such issues as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the Comminity Reinvestment Act being most responsible for the 2008 mortgage market collapse that triggered the recession. You just have to have a burden for the truth and keep pounding away at it.

    Some of the Old Testament prophets were practically ignored by the people they preached to – which is why judgment came to those people. But God does have a way of ultimately honoring the truth.

  15. Michael Eden Says:

    I just got a comment from another friend regarding an article which helps to show just how OVERWHELMING the case is that conservative economists and politicians were predicting disaster due to the CRA/Fannie/Freddie fiasco. This from 1999 in the New York Slimes:

    Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits. […]

    In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980′s.

    ”From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,” said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ”If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.”

    Which as any but the worst fools in the world know IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

    Very few people are aware of the FACT that ONLY Fannie and Freddie were legally authorized to bundle mortgages into the mortgage backed securities that broke the US economy when it turned out that many of the mortgages that had been bundled were toxic debt. ONLY Fannie and Freddie could do that. And the private banks’ “sin” was trading the securities that THE GOVERNMENT HAD CREATED.

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