Trump, Abortion And Democrats Who Say Only MEN And BABIES Should Be ‘Punished’ When A Child Is Conceived

[Update, April 1, 2016]: The soul of the Democrat Party swims in lies, with lying liberals routinely demagoguing and outright slandering conservative/Republican positions that they literally invented out of their own warped and perverted minds.  Unfortunately, Donald Trump just makes that dishonest Democrat tactic all too easy.

Take abortion: do you know how many women have been “punished” by even the most pro-life Republican states in the entire history of the republic?  The answer will likely surprise you, given what the Democrat Party says and what their propaganda machine – a.k.a. the mainstream media – report: in the entire 20th century, exactly two women have gone to any criminal court in any state for participating in their own abortions.  While it was a criminal offense in 31 states, it simply wasn’t done for the very simple reason that the pro-life movement has ALWAYS regarded the mother as one of the victims of abortion.  The first case, in 1911, was thrown out by the trial court outright.  The second case was thrown out by a higher court, which said in doing so, “the woman who commits an abortion on herself is regarded rather as the victim than the perpetrator of the crime.”

In other words, the pro-life movement and the pro-life Republican Party have NEVER punished or targeted women over abortion.

But the ignorance and demagoguery of Donald Trump, combined with the rabid deceit of liberals, makes it easy to fabricate a bogeyman where none does and none has EVER truly existed.

I think of Bruce – now “Caitlyn” – Jenner.  It’s interesting.  I disagree with what Bruce Jenner did to himself; but I’m nowhere even CLOSE to the hate of liberals in terms of intolerance.  Let me quote Jenner on that:

“I have gotten more flak for being a conservative Republican than I have for being trans,” Jenner said.

To wit: conservative evangelical Christians think that Bruce Jenner is sadly confused and wrong for advancing his transgender issues; liberals believe that being a Republican is EVIL and they go after us with a viciousness that we’ve NEVER used against them.  Which is why we’re seeing such fascist leftist hate being directed at Trump rallies and Trump supporters now; with liberals going INSIDE Trump events to violently disrupt them (like Brownshirt Nazis of Hitler’s day) and with liberals using the “system” to attack Trump supporters (which was what the Nazis did when they had the power to do so).  And as the liberal-leaning Atlantic points out, these fascist liberals are literally generating more Trump support because increasingly more and more people are just beyond fed up with rabid leftist fascism.

The fact of the matter is that conservatives have NEVER attacked liberals and used a fascist system to impose “law” and “justice” on those who break their rules the way liberals have routinely done.  So conservatives say, “We think you’re wrong, but we won’t take away your rights,” whereas liberals say, “You’re EVIL, and we’re entitled to do ANYTHING to stop you!”  And so while liberals are now literally using the power of the state to destroy Christians who are resolved to follow their Bibles and refuse to participate in homosexual marriage against their consciences, conservatives have never twisted the law to work the other way.    [End update].

So Donald Trump came out with a policy on abortion that lasted for like an hour before he came out with a completely different policy on abortion.  Let’s start with what he just said and then move to what he just said that wildly flies in the face of what he just said (sorry if you’re confused, but I wrote it correctly):

Trump said:

Trump’s initial comments on Wednesday came after a lengthy exchange with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, who pressured the Republican to give a yes or no answer to the question, “should abortion be punished.”

“There has to be some form of punishment,” Trump said during a televised town hall event.

“For the woman?” Matthews asked, to which Trump replied, “Yes.”

Trump declined to specify how women should be punished if they underwent an illegal abortion.

And then right after that Trump said:

Donald Trump scrambled to clarify his position on abortion Wednesday after he said women who undergo the procedure should face “some form of punishment” should the practice be outlawed.

Several hours later — after widespread condemnation from Trump’s presidential rivals and even leading anti-abortion groups — he walked back his remarks, releasing a statement in which he said that women who obtain abortions are victims and that doctors who perform the service are the ones who should be punished.

“If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman,” Trump said. “The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed — like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions.”

And Trump has previously said:

Trump had previously declined to answer the question about what penalties he would support for women who undergo abortions or doctors who perform them.
“I just don’t want to talk about that right now,” Trump said during a news conference January in Iowa. “Everybody knows my views and I think my views are very plain,” Trump said.

But before Trump previously said that he previously said this:

Throughout his campaign, Trump has faced questions about the authenticity of his position on abortion. He said he was “pro-choice in every respect” in a 1999 interview, though he said he hated the “concept of abortion.”

So what’s Donald Trump’s actual position on abortion?  Who the hell knows???  Donald Trump’s view on abortion is as clear as feces.

The mainstream media propaganda mill wants to frame the Republican Party with every stupidly-worded utterance that comes out of Trump’s mouth, but in point of fact both the rival GOP candidates immediately denounced Trump’s “women should be punished” statement.

That that “see how evil the ‘anti-abortion’ conservatives are?” meme flies in the face of actual reality doesn’t mean a flying DAMN to the left as this quote from the same CNN article on Trump and abortion that I cite above shows:

His comments on Wednesday appeared to be the latest in Trump’s persistent efforts to court the support of socially conservative voters. But his efforts backfired as three leading anti-abortion groups swiftly criticized Trump’s comments.
March for Life released the toughest statement of the three groups, calling Trump’s remarks “completely out of touch with the pro-life movement.”
“Being pro-life means wanting what is best for the mother and the baby. Women who choose abortion often do so in desperation and then deeply regret such a decision. No pro-lifer would ever want to punish a woman who has chosen abortion. This is against the very nature of what we are about,” the president of the group’s education and defense fund, Jeanne Marcini, said in a statement.
The National Right to Life Committee noted in a statement that it has never supported penalties against women who undergo abortions.
The Susan B. Anthony List chalked up Trump’s comments to his recent opposition to abortion rights and said punishments should only be dished out to “the abortionist.”

“Donald Trump said…” is hardly a statement anyone ought to believe.

This is rather like Donald Trump being “strong” on ISIS – after saying the United States has no role in the Middle East and we should sit back and allow Russia to deal with the terrorist monster.  You know, until San Bernardino, when he started saying the precise opposite.

GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump late Monday offered his approach for fighting with the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

“Why are we knocking ISIS, and yet at the same time we’re against [Syrian President Bashar] Assad? Let them fight, take over the remnants,” Trump said on CNN’s “Out Front,” calling Syria a “total catastrophe.”

“But more importantly, let Russia fight ISIS, if they want to fight them, in Syria,” Trump said. “We can fight them in Iraq,” Trump added.

“Let ISIS and Syria fight. And let Russia, they’re in Syria already, let them fight ISIS,” Trump said. “Let Russia take care of ISIS.” – Donald Trump, September 29, 2015

Versus:

I would just bomb those suckers, and that’s right, I’d blow up the pipes, I’d blow up the refineries, I’d blow up ever single inch, there would be nothing left. – Donald Trump, November 13, 2015

This is rather like Donald Trump being “strong” on allowing Syrian refugees to pour into the United States on humanitarian grounds.  You know, until after San Bernardino when he started blathering the exact opposite:

The United States should take in some refugees from Syria, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Tuesday night.

“I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to,” Trump said in his first Fox News appearance in two weeks, appearing on “The O’Reilly Factor.” – Donald Trump, Tuesday, September 8, 2015

Versus what he says now:

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called President Obama a “fool” this week for his plans to resettle thousands of Syrian refugees in the U.S.

“Well look, if the president is somebody, you know — you could say he’s a fool, in a certain way — because everybody is saying don’t do it,” Trump said Thursday night on Fox News.
“He’s very arrogant, he’s very stubborn, he doesn’t want to listen to anybody, and he’s so wrong,” the business mogul added during the interview with host Sean Hannity.  – Donald Trump, December 2015

Jonah Goldberg previously said something to this effect and it’s true: on abortion and many of these other issues, Donald Trump is a liberal who is pretending to be a conservative and saying things that a liberal believes conservatives think.  The reason this cynical, hypocritical tactic has worked so well for him is simply this: most of his supporters are NOT conservative, but are in fact liberals and moderates.

But that underscores my two biggest problems with Trump.  He’s NOT a genuine conservative and has never been one, and my biggest problem with Donald Trump of all is that he’s been on the opposite damn side of EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN.  Anyone who believes he’ll do any particular thing is an idiot.  Because he’s said the precise opposite and very likely not very long ago.

In this way, Trump is like Obama when Obama says something like, “As I’ve said” or “As I’ve been saying,” he is saying something markedly different from what he actually WAS saying.  And then there are the legions of “roachellectuals” who will explain what Obama actually meant to say when he said something that flies in the face of honesty or reality.

Let’s not forget the 37 documented times Obama said one thing and did the opposite on ObamaCare; let’s not forget all the other DOZENS of lies Obama told about ObamaCare.  Let’s not forget the 22 documented times Obama said one thing and did the opposite of what he said on illegal immigration and executive amnesty in flagrant violation of our nation’s laws.  An d all the other weasel games this fascist tyrant has played with our laws because he is not an honest man.

And Trump aint no different.

So we get to abortion and we can plainly see that Donald Trump doesn’t have a real core on this issue; he just winged it and then so what if he said the exact opposite???  So what if a man who said for DECADES that he was “pro-choice” in every respect” is now mouthing a position more extreme than anybody who actually dearly holds the position?  The fact of the matter is that Trump has never thought this issue through, that it is NOT a deeply-held conviction for him; but that he is merely saying whatever he thinks the itching ears of the people he is trying to fool want to hear so he can clinch the nomination and win the contest.

This is why Jimmy Carter basically said, “We can work with this guy Trump because he stands for NOTHING but Donald Trump”:

Former President Jimmy Carter told the British Parliament on Wednesday that if he had to choose between Republican candidates Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, he’d prefer to see Trump win the White House.

“I think I would choose Trump,” the liberal former president said to the House of Lords, when asked about the U.S. presidential race, “which may surprise some of you, but the reason is Trump has proven already that he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed opinions that he would really go to the White House and fight for.”

By contrast, Mr. Carter said, “Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far right-wing policies, in my opinion, that would be pursued aggressively if and when he would become president.”

What does Trump stand for?  Whatever is convenient for him to stand for at any particular moment.  You know, until he can bargain and horse-trade sacred positions in his “art of the deal.”

So no, conservatives don’t want to punish women.  The only people who DO want to actually punish women and damn near everyone else are LIBERALS, which is precisely what Donald Trump has been for nearly all of his life before he decided to turn the GOP nomination into a circus freak show.

I’ve written about Political Correctness and keep my description in a file so I can spit it out without agonizing over how to word the idiocy:

Being politically correct is not just a leftist way to make overly-sensitive people feel better. It was designed by early Marxists in Russia and the left continues to execute the tactic today: if you can control words, you can control thought; if you can control thought, you can control actions.  “PC” is an enormous, sophisticated and highly-coordinated effort to change Western culture as we know it by  redefining it, by controlling the cultural arguments by shaping the “acceptable” language people are allowed to use. And people with incredibly radical agendas have been exploiting this tactic for decades and it has succeeded.

I open a newspaper or watch a mainstream media news broadcast and I can’t be “pro-life.”  Read that CNN article I cite above again: they’re not “pro-life groups” on CNN’s description; rather they are “anti-abortion” groups.  If we were actually allowed to be “pro”-something it would depict a positive movement; and the left won’t have that.  The same thing with my being “pro-marriage”; I’m not “anti-gay,” I merely continue to hold the SAME VIEW OF MARRIAGE THAT EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY ON EARTH HELD FROM CREATION UNTIL A FEW YEARS AGO.  But for the wicked people who imposed a wicked view on society that had never existed in ANY civilization up to now re-wrote the lexicon so that I’m not “pro-marriage” but rather “anti-gay.”  It’s an unrelenting effort, and stupid people have fallen for it.

And this is a stupid nation on a planet full of stupid people.

The Democrat Party is so hateful it is pure-and-simple ANTI-LIFE.  That’s what “pro-abortion” actually means, that you are a rabid hater and exterminator of human life.  And thus you have directly participated in the torture-murder of sixty million innocent human beings since 1973.

I always am amazed at the moral AND intellectual vapid stupidity of the left.  They tell me that an unborn baby is not a human being.  Let’s consider something called “logic”: it is “human” by virtue of its parents; it is a “being” by virtue of the fact that it is a living, existing thing: IT IS A HUMAN BEING.  Let’s try something called “science”: Let’s run through the taxonomic system that classifies every single living thing that ever existed on planet earth with our unborn baby: That “fetus” (which is Latin for “unborn child” by the way) is classified as Kingdom-Animal; Phylum-Chordata; Class-Mammalia; Order-Primate; Family-Hominid; Genus-Homo; and Species-Sapiens.  Just like every human being whose life is precious.

And finally, let’s consider God’s Word which resolves any and all conflict for anyone capable of true morality:

You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body
and knit me together in my mother’s womb.

Thank You for making me so wonderfully complex!
Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it.

You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.

You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in Your book.

Every moment was laid out
before a single day had passed. — Psalm 139:13-16

There’s a reason that the fire of hell is eternal, Democrat.  In fact, YOU are the reason.  Because eternity itself won’t last long enough for you to suffer for all the horror you are guilty of as you scream for a trillion times a trillion millennia to the trillionth power for every single NANOSECOND that you brutally stole from every single ONE of those innocent children you personally participated in murdering.

There’s going to come a reckoning when you ultimately stand before a Great White Throne and discover that God created that soul and you will be sentenced for every single one of those sixty-plus million times that you determined that YOU were god over that soul and brutally snuffed out innocent human life.

So let’s get to the gist of this: Democrats like Hillary Clinton trot out with such righteous indignation at Donald Trump wanting to “punish” women.

When they want to punish MEN, punish FATHERS.

Contemplate with me the “logic” of abortion.  At the moment of conception, frankly lasting until even AFTER the baby emerges living and breathing from the womb as far as many Democrats are concerned, a baby is NOT a “baby,” but rather something called “by-products of conception.”

It is an immoral injustice to fathers and to fatherhood every bit as much as it is a rabid deprivation of life of an innocent human being who deserved LIFE and was deprived of that life by a Democratic Party that is now TEN TIMES more guilty of moral crimes than the Nazis were.

Because to be a Democrat is to be a rabid hater of truth and reality just as you are a rabid hater of life.  And so in the same way your citizen-of-hell judges gazed into the Constitution like it was some kind of crystal ball and found “penumbras” formed by “emanations” to create a “right” literally out of thin air where none had ever existed before, you in the same manner created DEATH out of thin air when every society before you treasured human life and thanked God or the gods for it.

That’s why the Hippocratic Oath that every true doctor follows to this day says “I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.”  At least until you “created” a blasphemy of the original to mock the sacred intent of the original.  Now blasphemous Democrats have blasphemous “doctors” murdering people and dedicating their “art” to death.

As the Word of God declares:

There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. — Proverbs 14:12

The road to hell is paved with Democrats and their “good intentions.”  And Democrats call their intentions “good” because:

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! – Isaiah 5:20

But their “good intentions” aside, their way is LITERALLY the way of death.  And to vote Democrat today is to declare, “If there is a God, let me scream in the endless suffering of God’s agonizing fiery hell forever and ever and ever.”  You know – as Jesus put it THREE TIMES for emphasis – “where ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched'” (Mark 9:44, Mark 9:46 and Mark 9:48).

But you go ahead, Democrat.  You vote for hell.

But let’s continue with the “logic” of abortion: that baby is NOT a baby, but a non-human “by-product of conception.”  Okay, so mommy can kill it.  Because she’s NOT a mommy, is she?  To be a “mommy,” that thing in her womb would have to be a human being, and of course every single bound-for-screaming-hell Democrat knows that it’s NOT a human being.

Ah, but that “logic” swiftly evaporates when it comes to “daddy.”  Because what was that thing when “daddy” last had anything whatsoever to do with it?  It was NOT a baby, was it?  No, it was a non-human “by-product of conception” and worthy of death and destruction and quite literally the dumpster.  On Democrat-devil-logic.

But do Democrats let “daddy” off the hook?  NOOOOOOO.  Rather they scream with ever fiber of their rabid hate, “PUNISH HIM!  HOLD HIM RESPONSIBLE!  MAKE HIM PAY!!!”  The woman isn’t held responsible for her pregnancy; only the man is.  According to the “punishment” logic of the Democrat Party.

And this same man who is very clearly NOT a “father” by the identical same Democrat-devil-logic that was fabricated to allow a woman to murder her own baby is somehow held fully accountable for that “child” that he clearly could not have had anything to do with “fathering.”

That poor bastard has no say whatsoever in whether a baby lives or whether it dies.  But if “mommy” arbitrarily decides that what the hell, I flipped a damn coin and I’m keeping the baby,” well, then, he is PUNISHED by Democrats and by Democrat-devil-logic for the next eighteen years as he is legally compelled to pay “child support” for that thing which by their own devil logic was “by-products of conception” when he last had anything whatsoever to do with anything.

It’s either a child at the moment of conception or “the father” isn’t the father and CAN’T be “the father” and shouldn’t be held responsible in any way for anything.

Think about it: Democrats say that the FATHER ought to be forcibly compelled to provide child support.  For a child they rabidly denied WAS a child in the first place while they denied that the “father” was the FATHER of that child.

Should a father be compelled to support his child?  Of course he should; but that strictly implies that he is RECOGNIZED as “the father” of “a child” to BEGIN WITH.

The rabid Democrat denial of fatherhood has destroyed the family.  Every man who has sexual relations with a woman with the result that for some mysterious reason something called “by products of conception” that weirdly coincides on a one-to-one basis with a CHILD has the Democrat Party pseudo-logic to fall back to: “I’m not the father of anything.  I’m outta here.”

If I’m a “father,” then that’s MY kid in the womb where only Adam and Eve of all human beings who ever lived didn’t begin their lives.  That’s MY kid.  And if I am a “father” in any way, any shape or any form, I have a RIGHT to whether my kid lives or dies.  And it is therefore rather obvious the resentment and bitterness and subsequent abandonment that “fathers” have implemented in giant numbers since they were told that a) they WEREN’T fathers and had NO rights to their children unless b) the “mother” of that child made the arbitrary, random decision that she wanted to keep that child in which case c) some irrational and immoral “legal” process determines that wait-a-minute, it’s in our interests to label you the “father” after all: so pay up.

So please don’t misunderstand because devil-logic now permeates the rotting carcass of American pseudo-civilization: it’s not that Democrats are opposed to “punishment” at ALL; in fact they LOVE punishment.

Democrats merely demand that the baby be punished and the father be punished and the role of fatherhood itself be punished and any hint of traditional, sacred, godly marriage be punished.

The Democrat Party has ALWAYS been the party of Satan, since it fought a vicious war over slavery when their demonic “good intentions” led them to declare that black people were not “human beings.”

Watch as the mainstream media propaganda mill asks every Republican if he or she thinks “women should be punished.”  It’s a nice “gotcha question” and “reporters” LOVE hammering Republicans with gotcha questions.  But they won’t ever ask Hillary Clinton why she said Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) is her hero when Margaret Sanger said that “We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”  Just as you won’t see them asking Hillary Clinton or any other Democrat why they hold a fundamentally irrational and immoral position that punishes “fathers” for the children they conceive while simultaneously holding that they are “fathers” who therefore have rights over their children to begin with.

The fact of the matter is that from the very moment of conception, we are human beings and as human beings we possess infinite, incommensurable value and that to ignore that fact and murder an innocent human being is a terrible moral crime against the very God who created us in His image.  The fact of the matter is, that every single father owes his child his SUPPORT and every single father owes her child LIFE.

And the fact of the matter is that the Democrat Party IS the party of wickedness in America and one day there most surely WILL be “some form of punishment.”

In this world, you go ahead and mock me, Democrat.  But your destiny is to ultimately stand before the Great White Throne (Revelation 20:11-15) and I wouldn’t be you for all the money and for all the pleasure in this world.

 

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2 Responses to “Trump, Abortion And Democrats Who Say Only MEN And BABIES Should Be ‘Punished’ When A Child Is Conceived”

  1. hocuspocus13 Says:

    Hypothetical…was the conversation in which no policy could come about in a make believe situation

    But…hypothetically…if abortion became illegal in the US and someone had an abortion anyway it would be breaking the law in which it would become a crime

    And last I took to notice crimes in the US are punished by US law with no exceptions that I am aware of

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    hocuspocus13,

    This ought to help you understand how legal history has dealt with abortion even when it was in fact a crime:
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0401-forsythe-pro-life-abortion-prosecution-20160331-story.html

    In the history of the republic and the pro-life movement, we have NEVER gone after the women. The criminality has gone to those performing abortion, especially those who are called “medical doctors” who are supposed to be HEALERS and not murderers.

    It has ALWAYS been immoral for a doctor to perform an abortion on a woman since Hippocrates. The Hippocratic Oath is one of the most ancient binding documents in all human history, dating back to the 5th century BC.

    Doctors SWORE they would never do such a wicked, vile thing, just as they also swore they would never perform euthanasia.

    Hippocrates could never have fathomed the depth of evil in the Democrat Party and in the souls of wicked Democrats.

    But abortion IS complicated: are women having them because their men or their families forced them to do so? Did they have it because the fathers bailed on them leaving them with nothing? Or even due to societal pressure such that to have the child is to bear the scarlet letter of shame whereas the fathers get off with high fives?

    And morally intelligent people have understood that. And so the legal system has understood that, also.

    Now, however, liberals have erected the most wicked of legal systems in which devout Christians are literally destroyed over their resolve to follow their Bibles on moral teachings straight out of the Bible such as participating in homosexual marriages. And under the legal reasoning that liberals have enacted, yes, women SHOULD be attacked and punished for participating in abortion. If it is right to destroy a Christian for his faith, it is even more so to destroy a woman over her abortion.

    But it didn’t used to be that way, until the most wicked and depraved of political moments captured the Democrat Party and proceeded to murder sixty million babies and literally rejoice in having done so.

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