What’s Wrong With Hillary Clinton’s Economic Plan? Plenty, But Here’s The Bottom Line

So Hillary Clinton’s basic economic pitch is that she is going to “level the playing field” by punishing Wall Street and big businesses and allowing all those horrible profits to be shared by the American people.  And it will be oh, so good for us and oh, so bad for those terrible, greedy, evil Wall Street firms and corporations.

Sounds good.  At least it sounds good to people who either aren’t that honest, or aren’t that bright, or are neither honest nor bright.

For one thing, Hillary Clinton has taken more filthy, greedy money from Wall Street than ANY politician in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE WORLD has EVER taken.  To express it in the form of a headline, “Clinton is the Wall Street candidate based on donation figures.”  Hillary Clinton has been bought and paid for by Wall Street.   She was paid millions – a total of at least $153 million with a shocking percentage coming not only from foreign entities but from the worst rogue nations on planet earth – to give speeches and Wall Street was one of the top U.S. entities.  And recordings or transcripts those Wall Street speeches, unlike any national security secret which she treated with cavalier disdain, are top secret classified never to see the light of day.  Even the leftist-oriented Huffington Post puts it this way: “Release of Clinton’s Wall Street Speeches Could End Her Candidacy For President.”

Hillary Clinton was paid MILLIONS to tell Wall Street what her presidency would do to benefit them.  She made very sure that all reporters were BARRED from her speeches to Wall Street firms.  Why did she do that???  She allowed NO RECORDING DEVICES other than her own recording for her own use which of course is in a vault somewhere.  Why did she do that???  And lastly, when Hillary Clinton was a Senator from New York, she was “hands off” on Wall Street in spite of the fact that Wall Street happens to be in HER state where SHE should have been in control of regulating what they did in HER district.  But she never bothered.  Why do you seriously believe she will bother now when our enemies can find out every single national security secret Hillary Clinton knew, but NOBODY can find out so much as a single word she said to Wall Street in speeches that she was paid as much as $675,000 to give???  She wouldn’t even allow PLACARDS on tables for fear that a photo might leak and the American people could see an image of who Hillary Clinton was being paid MILLIONS of dollars to talk to.  Why would she do that???

A Wall Street pay-to-play player said, “It was pretty glowing about us,” one person who watched the event said. “It’s so far from what she sounds like as a candidate now. It was like a rah-rah speech. She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.”  And that’s exactly why we will NEVER hear her speeches as she betrays the American people and betrays as a lie every single thing she now says in her campaign rhetoric.

Hillary Clinton has proven herself more than any politician who has ever LIVED that she will be a crony capitalist fascist who will do insider deals with those who offer her something in return.  She will sell out the American people for a nickel if that’s the going rate.  You can absolutely trust Hillary Clinton to sell out your interests for larger, more powerful interests every single time.  That is simply the story of her life.

The notion that this candidate is going to actually reform Wall Street in a way that would benefit anyone but Wall Street is so beyond laughable that it is beyond unreal.  You literally have to be a fool to believe that.  Mind you, there ARE plenty of intellectuals who are just such fools indeed.  Famous prophetic novelist George Orwell said, “There are some ideas so absurd that only an ‘intellectual’ could believe them,” because no ordinary man was capable of being such a fool.”   And the point he was making is that these people live in a giant ivory tower vacuum and none of their ideas actually have to ever be proven or even be provable in the real world to be believed.  They live in a world of theories, not in a world of facts.  They build nothing and have no grasp whatsoever on how TO build anything.  They are nothing more than eloquent ideologues consumed by hidden agendas.  Whereas people who must face reality every single day can never be so disconnected from the truth because unlike the intellectuals they would STARVE in the COLD.  I came across a meme on Karl Marx that ought to be illustrative how such foolishness contaminates minds:

Karl Marx

Why one earth would not merely millions but BILLIONS believe so passionately in the theories of this man, who had never in his lifetime actually produced ANYTHING in the actual, real world and whose theories have failed in every single “laboratory of reality” in which they have EVER been tried???

Karl Marx was precisely one of the fools that the great author of 1984 and Animal Farm was describing.  In  fact, both books were written by a horrified Orwell as he contemplated totalitarian socialism.  The Marxist theory continues because of the sheer, ponderous weight of all the other ivory tower egghead fools who have absolutely no grasp whatsoever of actual reality.

Hillary Clinton is another such fool.  She accomplished exactly NOTHING in spite of her so-called record of accomplishment.   Even her own State Department had to REDACT her list of “achievements.” 

But as bad as that indictment of Hillary Clinton is, that actually isn’t the “bottom line” fallacy that I am describing regarding Hillary Clinton’s economic plan.  I merely cite that to try to undercut her own claims and the claims of other fools on her behalf.  Just realize that the pile of intellectual manure that is laid out comes from the minds and the belief-systems of the very worst form of fools whom no ordinary man could ever be capable of becoming because they are forced to deal with actual real-world realities that prevent them from ever being such fools.

So what is it that I am describing about what is so truly wrong with Hillary’s plan???

It boils simply down to this: Hillary Clinton is saying she will tax and regulate and force Wall Street to be more “fair” or more “just.”  And ignorant people believe that any regulation or tax or coercion on the part of government must surely be a good thing.

That’s where the bait-and-switch takes place.

What you need to understand is that Wall Street and mega-big corporate business actually WANTS higher taxes and punitive regulations and difficult compliance benchmarks.  That sentence very likely shocks you and your mind may say, “No way!”  But let me explain and hopefully you will agree with me when I lay it out.

I googled the phrase “percentage of jobs created by small businesses” and got this result:

According to the SBA’s Office of Advocacy: “Small firms accounted for 63 percent of the net new jobs created between 1993 and mid-2013 (or 14.3 million of the 22.9 million net new jobs). Since the end of the recession (from mid-2009 to mid-2013), small firms accounted for 60 percent of the net new jobs.

So you need to simply first understand that Wall Street and mega-big business are in direct competition with small businesses.

The second thing you need to understand is the crony-capitalist mindset that invariably prefers a larger share of a smaller piece of the pie than a much smaller share of a much larger piece of the pie.  Every truly awful leader understands and exemplifies this mindset, with Kim Jong-un being possibly the very best example.

Let me show you a couple of satellite images of North Korea at night compared to South Korea at night to drive home my point:

North Korea at night 1

North Korea at night 2

South Korea is far more like what Republicans envision where laissez-faire free market enterprise is allowed to flourish; North Korea is far more like what the Democrats envision of a State-controlled economy.  Guess which one ends up being DARK AT NIGHT because THERE’S NOTHING.

And you say, why on earth would they want that?  Why wouldn’t they want a more open and free economy where they have less power, but far more is actually produced and it is better for all the people?  And the simple answer is, “Because they wouldn’t have as much control and as much power.”

The word “fascism” comes from the Roman/Latin word, “to bundle together.”  The image was of a bundle of sticks with an axe head protruding, the concept being that when the people are all bundled together, there is power.  And of course, who controlled that bundle?  The State, the emperor.   That is what the Democratic Party wants: they want to bundle us together like sticks, so that THEY and THEY alone can control the bundle.

There’s a line from Milton’s Paradise Lost that I always remember: when Satan says, “Better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.”  That’s the mindset of the left: better to have totalitarian rule over a small, impoverished economy than to be a smaller, weaker part of a large, powerful economy.

That is the quintessential essence of progressive liberalism: they want the power to dictate; they want to have the power to determine who wins and who loses, who pays and who receives, who is taxed and who is tax-exempt.

And what about Wall Street and what about the giant corporate entities.  Don’t they just want more profit for their shareholders?

You need to understand: what if we allowed small business to truly flourish?  What would happen to the market share of those great big giant corporate entities and the Wall Street that I’ve already established and documented owns Hillary Clinton and flourishes off of trading those giant corporate entities???

Now let me ask you a follow-up question: which would have an easier time paying higher taxes, great big corporations or small business owners???  Think about this and ANSWER it before you go on: who has an easier time coming up with an extra ten, twenty thousand dollars???  Who is going to be hurt more: the big corporation or the little business?  Let me go on: which would have an easier time complying with a dizzying array of regulations and compliance burdens and costs???  Would the great big corporation or the small business owner have an easier time hiring a full-time compliance officer???

When you actually THINK about it, these are no-brainers.  Just as it is a historic no-brainer that tax cuts increase revenues and have ALWAYS increased revenues as businesses are allowed to keep more of their own money and expand and grow and it is ultimately good for everyone in the form of more wealth and more opportunity for all.

It is BEYOND OBVIOUS that that great big business has a considerably easier time dealing with the increased costs imposed by Democrats than the small business owner.

Small businesses are CRIPPLED by these costs.

Which is why entrepreneurship is at an all-time low because of the Obama administration.

Which is why new small business start-ups are at an all-time low because of the Obama administration.

Our labor participation rate – the measure of the percentage of working-age Americans who actually have a damn JOB – is basically at the lowest rate in history, given that in 1977 which is the last time it was as low as Obama has made it now, we had far more stay-at-home moms as dad went off to work.  A hundred million working-age Americans AREN’T.

Home ownership has declined to its lowest level in 51 years under Obama.  Which like the labor participation rate is basically in the entire history of the statistic being kept.

You find that under Obama, the rich got way, WAY richer and everyone else got poorer as the income gap soared to heights we’ve never seen.  Even Bernie Sanders got that.  And Politifact was forced to agree that under Obama things are worse than they’ve ever been going back to the damn 1920s.

HuffPo has an article titled, “Middle Class Jobs, income, Quickly Disappearing.”  The New York Times says, “Middle Class Shrinks Further as More Fall Out Instead of Climbing Up.”  MSNBC has an article titled, “The Vanishing of the Middle Class.”

These aren’t right-wing sources.  And if they WERE actually FAIR they would depict their articles the way they would if a REPUBLICAN were in the White House, a la “Obama’s War on the Middle Class: The real story behind “hope” and “change.”

This Forbes article probably best nails the dilemma that Obama and the Federal Reserve that is struggling to monetize Obama’s failed policies have placed the United States in.

These are things called facts and I am explaining to you precisely WHY they are facts.

It is like this by design.  You’ve been sold out.  Obama was bought and sold and Hillary Clinton is more bought and more sold than any human being who ever lived.

Over the last eight years, Barack Obama – and now Hillary Clinton is actually promising to do even worse for another eight years- and those under them who control the “bundle of sticks” that we all now ARE thanks to these policies have sold our collectivist souls to the devil.

Let me get back to that all-telling statistic involving entrepreneurship and new business start-ups being DESTROYED by this president like we have never seen.

Would the market share of the giant firms go up or down if the smaller businesses were allowed to actually be unleashed as they were allowed to keep more of their profits and put those profits back into their businesses and be forced to comply with fewer stupid regulations that incur thousands of hours of compliance paperwork???  And the answer is that the pie would grow larger, but the Wall Street- and the corporate-share of that pie would grow much smaller as small businesses grew and grew and grew and were ultimately large enough to become big players themselves.

So let me just quickly lay it out for you: when a Barack Obama or a Hillary Clinton – who are owned lock, stock and barrel by Wall Street and by the mega-corporations – gets into power, they create laws and taxes and regulations and compliance factors that they invite the great big giant entities to write on a pay-to-play basis.

And the biggest players write the laws to shut out their smaller competition, understanding that if they can strangle those smaller businesses and stop them from being able to build and grow and compete with them, that they will get to remain at the top of the heap for decades, even for generations.

The economic purpose of the Democrat Party is to ensure that the very biggest players remain the very biggest players and the smaller competitors are never truly allowed to compete.  The giant Wall Street and corporate dinosaurs don’t want that smarter, more agile mammal to come along and eat their eggs and finish off their road to extinction.  No.  they will continue to maintain the Democratic Party as the engine to maintain the status quo so that that new mammal can never evolve to threaten them.

If you elect Hillary Clinton, you WILL get more of the same; you WILL get a smaller pie with the largest players – who each paid the system for the privilege of remaining the largest players – having the giant share.  And you WILL get fewer jobs, fewer opportunities, and lower wages as a result.

THAT is what is wrong with Hillary Clinton’s economic plan, just as it was wrong with Obama’s economic plan.  Because it’s the same damn tired plan that is nothing more than a watered-down version of Marxism.


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15 Responses to “What’s Wrong With Hillary Clinton’s Economic Plan? Plenty, But Here’s The Bottom Line”

  1. dog walker Says:

    This country is toast. I think Trump’s chances are kind of evaporating. And how could I be pulling for Trump anyway? Is a nation or its Democracy toast when it is alway a choice of the lesser evil in an election? Jeesh, isn’t there some societal mechanism that causes the best people to float to the top?

    Ewww… corporations! We declare them to be “not people.”
    The guys that work for a corporation… not people.
    The guys who invest their retirements in a corporation… not people.

    So who are these guys calling those guys “not people?”
    Oh the government employee and welfare collector clan. These are the guys to suppose that they should be able to have corporate profits because “you didn’t build that” they did. Uh, yeah.

    But the stock market is going up. That is kind of weird. The value of CLinton’s inside deals? What can I say? My net worth is up. Boy they could steal it all in a minute though. The government could raid it or the corporate hegemons could.

    Weird… it was a Clinton who signed off on the repeal of Glass Steagal. That was the legislation enacted decades ago to prevent Wall Street from reinventing the wheel that gave us Depression 1.

    The collapse of 08 was exactly that. Clinton has his fingerprints all over it. Betrayal.

    Clinton advocated for and then signed off on moving millions of jobs from the free world to China. That was by way of making permanent most favored trade status for China. Betrayal.

    Then I hear government employees smugly or glibly just say globalization as though they did us a favor getting rid of the kind of jobs that “they” turn their noses up at. Betrayal.

    Don’t get me started on immigration.

    Did I tell you that you can actually get assaulted for wearing a red shirt? (By the guys that suppose Trump to be a fascist)

  2. FMC Says:

    Many forget or never knew that Obama’s first run in 08′ was bought and paid for by Wall Street. Actually, that was the title of Charles Gasparino’s book, Bought and Paid For: The Unholy Alliance Between Barack Obama and Wall Street. At the time, most didn’t know, including Wall Street, how much of a radical Obama really was, as he tried to present himself as more of a moderate. Wall Street was convinced that Obama would be better for them than McCain. Most of the sheep out there think the Republicans and Wall Street are bed partners. Actually, Wall Street is for whoever they think will benefit them the most but usually, that is Democrats.

    I think that Hillary’s pitch to Wall Street is a role in the coming one-world government. Like every progressive devil, that is her ultimate goal. There are too many sheep out there to stop this and sheep, in due time, always get slaughtered.

  3. Michael Eden Says:


    Great comment. Actually, I am either planning to add a little to this article about that “bought and paid for” thing or write a different article.

    But we both understand what is going on here: Obama and now Hillary want to sell this country completely out to Wall Street and Big Business. And they want the American people to stupidly vote to be owned.

  4. Michael Eden Says:

    dog walker,

    We live in an age of hypocrisy and deceit like no other time in the history of the human race. Because now you can’t get away from it: it’s on your television and on your newspaper and on your computer and now on your damn PHONE.

    There has never been a time like now, where people are literally immersed 24/7 in lies and deceit and deception and hypocritical rhetoric.

    As I’ve kept saying over and over and over, the beast is coming.

    And we are now officially ready to worship him and take his mark on our right hands or on our foreheads. The rest of the world was pretty much there a long time ago, but now America will follow suit.

  5. FMC Says:


    While it is definitely true that Hillary and the Dems want to sell us out and Wall St. will come running, what the Dems really want is a slave state with them running it. That is the progressive dream just like in the early days with the black slaves: they want to make America one big plantation. To fulfill their desires they will have to take away our freedoms and make us dependent on them for our every need.

    They may sell us out to characters like Wall St., but Wall St. will never truly have the power, only state-granted influence. The progressives will hold the ultimate power. Here is a quote from “Jonah Goldberg’s book Liberal Fascism: “The fascist bargain goes something like this. The state says to the industrialist , “You may stay in business and own your own factories. In the spirit of cooperation and unity, we will even guarantee you profits and a lack of serious competition. In exchange, we expect you to agree with – and help implement our political agenda.” For the right price, Wall St. will be happy to help Hillary and her horde do just that.

  6. dog walker Says:

    Can’t get away from it. I think I am going to go camping tomorrow, wife and weather permitting. There ain’t no phone reception.


    I been having a tendency to discount your “beast is coming” theme.
    Of late I am starting to see such a rapid acceleration to decay that I gotta give you a way bigger “well maybe.”

    I am having a tendency to want anesthesia for the next decade. But I have made such a big investment in health and fitness recovery I guess I can minimize the temptation. Still, you know how it is with temptation. If I bend a knee and take the mark I will have to be inebriated. Then again that might be exactly how it works.

  7. Michael Eden Says:


    That is exactly what is going on right now. And there has NEVER been a candidate who has more demonstrated with her entire career that that will be precisely the project than Hillary Clinton.

    Hillary is fine with “capitalism.” As long as she gets to dictate the terms to every business that is allowed to succeed and as long as the Clintons get to have a slice of whatever pie is being baked. What they really want is the power to control outcomes and winners; what they really want is to dictate the agenda; what they really want is to get to write the rules and then determine what the rules mean as the game is played and which refs get to officiate.

  8. Michael Eden Says:

    dpg walker,

    You look at what is going on in Milwaulkie right now and read what Paul prophetically wrote about the end times just before the coming of the beast:

    Don’t be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed–the one who brings destruction. He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God. Don’t you remember that I told you about all this when I was with you? And you know what is holding him back, for he can be revealed only when his time comes. For this lawlessness is already at work secretly, and it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way. Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming. — 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8

    The NIV calls it “the secret power of lawlessness.” The NASB calls it “the mystery of lawlessness.” The KJV calls it “the mystery of iniquity.”

    It refers to a time when good people will look around STUNNED and wondering what the hell happened and when the hell is somebody going to do something about it??? And meanwhile things will just get worse and worse and spiral more and more out of control and people will continue to believe the very liars that are most hurting their children. And it is happening RIGHT NOW.

    Think of the police. When I was a kid you respected the police. Parents taught their kids to respect the police. And if you shot at a cop you weren’t just shooting at another man; you were shooting at justice and law and order itself.

    And now we are looking at the Democrats teaching their children to have ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the police whatsoever at ALL. They are teaching their kids to urinate and defecate on justice.

    Justice is dead. Once the thin blue line is breached there is no justice of any kind. Their is only chaos and anarchy and “justice” by threat of mob violence where “justice” is “we get the hell what we want or we will start burning and rioting and murdering.”

    Meanwhile in the Middle East and across Northern Africa Islamic State is raging out of control and there are now more refugees than at any time in the documented history of the entire human race.

    The mystery of lawlessness is smacking us right in the mouth.

    The beast IS coming and he is right around the corner and there is a time coming when everything will have so gone to hell that when this one man comes riding in on his white horse to save the day he will literally be worshiped. He will seem to have all the ideas to solve all our problems. But he will literally be the devil incarnate.

    He’ll keep promising, “just give me more power and I can fix everything” to “Just worship me and I can fix everything.”

    And we have already proven as a country and as a culture we are stupid enough and evil enough for him to finally arrive and be adoringly welcomed.

    And he is almost here.


  9. truthunites Says:

    “There’s a line from Milton’s Paradise Lost that I always remember: when Satan says, “Better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.” That’s the mindset of the left: better to have totalitarian rule over a small, impoverished economy than to be a smaller, weaker part of a large, powerful economy.”

    Dem!! I’ve always been skeptical of the tinfoil crowd who keep exclaiming that there’s a New World Order or globalist elites or a One World Government because all ensuing chaos and unrest and massive deaths would affect them also. And if there’s a chance that you or your loved ones are going to get blown up by a bomb that culpable and complicit in, then you wouldn’t do it. It’s simply irrational.

    But if they don’t give a shoot about that, then yeah, all these tin foil hats may have a point worth conceding.

  10. Michael Eden Says:

    The elitist powers that be don’t worry about the bomb or the violence; they who want to take away your ability to protect yourself have plenty of armed security details.

    It’s like this story that is just beyond HEARTRENCHING: http://ijr.com/2016/08/675004-he-didnt-even-cry-young-boy-shot-in-drive-by-cuddles-up-in-bed-to-die-next-to-big-brother/
    But there is not ONE Democrat in America who gives a flying damn. They don’t CARE about the 95% of crime committed against blacks that is committed by other blacks. They don’t CARE that 6 out of every 10 black people are murdered by their own mothers in the womb. These are simply inconvenient facts to be ignored and in fact Democrats will call you a RACIST if you mention them. The only crimes that matter are the tiny, infinitesimal minority committed by whites or by police. And now even legitimate shootings against armed suspects with long criminal histories by black police officers are used by the left to incite riots, as what is happening as we speak in Milwaukie. For them, the violence is a GOOD thing; it is a means to their ends.

    Which is how the crony capitalist (fascist) Wall Street and corporate world look at high taxes and regulations. It ought to be evil to any moral person, but they have a system to exploit it as a means to their ends.

    The big businesses and Wall Street entities are eagerly trading the prospect of growth that they might benefit from for security. If they can crush their smaller, weaker rivals using the government as their weapon to tax them and regulate them and strangle them, then they have safety that they would not have in a “free market” where the small, intelligent mammal eats the eggs of the giant dinosaur. Whereas by the time the government gets through the mammal’s legs are shackled. And that is simply a fact and has BEEN a fact since the FDR Depression era “solutions” such as the NRA (“National Recovery Act”) that was written BY the big businesses FOR the big businesses to choke out any and all smaller competitors. Two UCLA economists wrote a major academic paper explaining how FDR’s policies actually PROLONGED the Great Depression by 7 miserable years. They note:


    The policies were contained in the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages. Because protection from antitrust prosecution all but ensured higher prices for goods and services, a wide range of industries took the bait, Cole and Ohanian found. By 1934 more than 500 industries, which accounted for nearly 80 percent of private, non-agricultural employment, had entered into the collective bargaining agreements called for under NIRA.

    Cole and Ohanian calculate that NIRA and its aftermath account for 60 percent of the weak recovery. Without the policies, they contend that the Depression would have ended in 1936 instead of the year when they believe the slump actually ended: 1943.

    If it hadn’t been for World War II and the fact that the rest of the industrialized world was in total ruins and only the United States was left intact, we would STILL be in the damn Great Depression today.

    They count on stupid people’s ignorance and depraved self-centeredness and demonize their opponents so that people continue to think that progressivism somehow DOESN’T fail every single time it is tried.

  11. thoughtfoundryblog Says:

    “Karl Marx was precisely one of the fools that the great author of 1984 and Animal Farm was describing.” You’ve never read a single page of Marx in your life have you?

  12. Michael Eden Says:


    I have to pause out of my day to MOCK you. You call yourself “thought foundry”??? Really? I suppose a “thought foundry” is a place where thoughtless drive-by attacks occur in your demented mind. It certainly is NOT a place where any kind of legitimate reasoning process takes place.

    You quote me and then ask a stupid rhetorical question without bothering to do ANYTHING to demonstrate how my quote in any way, shape or form justifies your stupid rhetorical question that you in no way, shape or form establish as a legitimate question based on anything.

    George Orwell detested Soviet-style communism – which was the damn nasty, vile fruit of Karl Marx – and had fought them in the Spanish Civil War. He wrote both of his famous works AFTER WWII when Nazism had been defeated. The boogeyman was one form of government and one form ONLY: communism.

    Karl Marx’s communism started out at its very inception as truly and terrifyingly evil. Any communist who ever actually had a chance to govern was a monster. Marx was an intellectual who had no contact with the real world who wrote books about ideas that had no connection with the real world. He didn’t kill anybody: he merely started an idea that led to the butchery of more than a hundred million people during peacetime alone.

    Marx’s acolyte Trotsky actually held political power, and as a communist that meant he was a vicious, totalitarian murderer. You look at Trotsky who did the same damn thing.

    The Bolsehviks and the Red Terror and of course Lenin. Lenin said:

    No mercy for these enemies of the people, the enemies of socialism, the enemies of the working people! War to the death against the rich and their hangers-on, the bourgeois intellectuals; war on the rogues, the idlers and the rowdies!

    Lenin’s Bolsheviks styled themselves as the “dictatorship of the proletariat” and promised “the people” a future of brotherhood and bounty, but first, they said, they had to eliminate all opposition – so-called “enemies of the people,” otherwise known as “vermin.” There were millions of them. To deal with those, Lenin created a secret police force to identify and arrest them. He called it the “All-Russia Extraordinary Commission for the Struggle Against Counterrevolution and Sabotage” – Cheka for short. The Cheka build lots of prisons and labor camps to accommodate all the “enemies” – except, obviously, those who were executed or died under torture.
    Once the “enemies” were eliminated, the state could move forward to the “perfect society,” where poverty and inequality would be banished. So was God, by the way. The “dictatorship of the proletariat” took His place, using force to shape the future according to their utopian vision.

    In the mid-1920s Joseph Stalin assumed control of this diabolical system. And the hell that is communism really, truly got going – the millions of corpses that had already been fed to it merely serving as an appetizer for the tens of millions that were to follow under Stalin.

    At least forty million people crushed to death by Soviet-style communism. At least sixty million crushed to death by Chinese-style communism. We have Cambodia, Vietnam, Cuba, and my favorite North Korea where you most assuredly deserve to spend the remainder of your days. There has NEVER ONCE BEEN a communist state that has EVER been anything but monstrously evil on the most massive scale ever seen in the history of the human race.

    Which is to say that Karl Marx’s foolish, stupid and evil ideas have been refuted by reality absolutely every single time they have ever been tried. And the only people who continue to give his ideas any validity only do so because they are as foolish and as disconnected from reality as Marx himself clearly has been demonstrated again and again and again to have been.

    You stupidly, dishonestly, slanderously tell me that I’ve never read a thing Marx wrote. YOU NEVER UNDERSTOOD A DAMN THING YOU EVER READ IN YOUR DAMN FOOL LIFE.

    Now get lost. People who actually attack me based on some kind of argument can argue with me. Idiots like you who offer nothing more than a slanderous personal attack based on lies without bothering to offer a single fact to back up their vileness can get lost and never come back.

  13. thoughtfoundryblog Says:

    I reply and you delete my lengthy assertion refuting everything you say. Funny.

  14. Michael Eden Says:

    Actually, I didn’t delete ANYTHING.

    You wrote an idiotic, drive-by post and I pointed out that you didn’t bother to offer a damn bit of ANYTHING to support your garbage.

    Here are ALL the words you wrote me – what you mistook as ANY kind of argument whatsoever – that I responded to. You wrote:

    Karl Marx was precisely one of the fools that the great author of 1984 and Animal Farm was describing.” You’ve never read a single page of Marx in your life have you?

    And I responded to your drive-by drivel at length, as I always do before I block somebody. Because on the one hand, if you don’t refute a fool, he will think himself wise. And if you spend too much time refuting a fool, passerby won’t be able to tell the difference between the fool and the one arguing with the fool. And at the very end of my refutation of your inane drive-by drivel I wrote:

    Now get lost. People who actually attack me based on some kind of argument can argue with me. Idiots like you who offer nothing more than a slanderous personal attack based on lies without bothering to offer a single fact to back up their vileness can get lost and never come back.

    And then I blocked you as I told you I was going to do.

    Your “lengthy assertion” – and by the way the word “assertion” means a positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason: a mere assertion; an unwarranted assertion“, which makes your own words rather comical in view of their actual meaning – went directly to the trash file where it clearly belongs. That’s what it means to be blocked, dude.

    Had you offered your “assertion” in substantive form without believing that you could “refute” me in a drive-by insult, I would have interacted with your “assertion.”

    As it was I looked at it and laughed. Because it wasn’t any better than the drive-by drivel you offered to begin with. Your leading diatribe is that communism is NOT a political system, but merely an economic one. Bullcrap. The definition of communism: “a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.”

    When the foundation of your “assertion” – which of course means a statement offered without support or reason – collapses, the entire edifice of that assertion collapses.

    In any event, if you actually want to ever have a substantive and reasoned argument with anyone ever again, I strongly suggest that you do so rather than engaging in the kind of smarmy punk drive-by crap that you greeted me with.

    That said, get back in my trash can.

  15. Michael Eden Says:

    For the official record, I am still getting whining comments from the fellow who thinks of himself as a “thought foundry.”

    Two hours AFTER I pointed out that I didn’t “delete” his reply, but rather that I had already blocked him right after I SAID I was going to block him, and therefore his comment simply went to the trash bin where his first drive-by bloviating comment to me proved he belonged. This is a guy who talked about his “assertion” like it was a fact, which I already demonstrated by providing the very dictionary meaning of the damn word “assertion” it is NOT; and he proved that yet again by continuing to “assert” that I “deleted” his comment even after I documented that no, I didn’t. Rather, I blocked someone who violates my standards of legitimate argument and from then on everything he wrote went directly into the trash without me deleting anything. And I even explained to him what I was going to do before I did it. But facts just don’t matter to some.

    “Thoughtfoundry” is incapable of dealing with factual thoughts, in other words.

    Then he proceeds to compare me with Hitler on the grounds that I’m saying that all socialists are Stalinists, and ipso facto all conservatives are Hitler. And he quotes someone as saying, “When debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

    Well, here again, “thoughtfoundry” proves that he is simply incapable of understanding the actual world. Because I defy ANYONE to show me where I said that all socialism is Stalinism in my article. I merely point out that the progressive liberalism that Hillary espouses has rather poor consequences. And so “thoughtfoundary” manages, being a “loser,” to resort to “slander” just as he states.

    Thoughtfoundry, I’ll tell you what: if you show me the QUOTE where I directly state that all socialism in any form is Stalinism, I’ll bring you back and bring back all of your rants. I’ll even check my trash file to see if you’ve found anything to support your slander.

    I submit it is rather obvious that there are degrees to many things when it comes to the realm of ideas. And so, no, not all socialists are Stalinists. But that being said, all socialism DOES lead down a wrong-headed path that fails every single time it’s tried, whether one just takes the plunge and dives into the outright Stalinism that is most consistent with communism – which is why all the communist societies have been DICTATORSHIPS) or whether you just get your toes in the water. Socialism has thoroughly proven that it is a poor economic and political system that fails to produce what it promises. And free-market societies outperform every single time. And as a further by the way, it isn’t that hard to establish that Nazism had very little in common with American conservatism, and that American liberalism has MUCH more in common with Nazism than the “right” has. Nazism is NOT and NEVER WAS “right wing,” aside from the fact that communist propaganda defined itself as the opposite of its rival form of SOCIALISM (NAZI = “National SOCIALIST German Workers Party”) and if there was a “National Socialist American Workers Party, you’d be a real idiot to conclude that it was the GOP, given our history with unions, etc. See what I wrote here on that: https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/hitler-wasnt-right-wing-wasnt-christian-and-nazism-was-applied-darwinism/

    I continue to mock “thoughtfoundry” as he whines about my “insults” and my “jumping to conclusions” given that his VERY FIRST WORDS TO ME WERE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS (“You’ve never read Marx in your life” and a dismissive mockery of my article without any reason to dismiss it offered in his drive-by insult.

    In previous articles I’ve described what “thoughtfoundry” tries to do here in the following terms:

    “You see, liberalism and Nir Rosen are the victims.  They always see themselves as the victims, and they will use any distortion of logic and any rhetorical ju jitsu to make themselves the victims no matter what they said or did to bring righteous anger down on their own heads.  It is who they are and it is what they do.”

    And that’s precisely what “thoughtfoundry” does: he drives by, without any decent reason or argument offered, attacks me in a “conclusion-jumping-way,” and drives off. And then he’s horrified that I would respond in direct kind.

    At this point, “thoughtfoundry” has proven unworthy of interaction and so no, I won’t bring him back. Unless he offers proof that I “equate all socialists with Stalinists” in this article as he slanderously accuses.

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