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For The Record, If Bush Were Still President, GM Would Still Be Just As Alive And Osama Bin Laden Would Still Be Just As Dead

September 7, 2012

Apparently, that was Joe Biden’s – who by even both the liberals’ accounts (Kirsten Powers and Joe Trippi) on Fox News gave a better speech than did Obama – best line.  Osama bin Laden is dead and G.M. is alive.

First of all, who seriously believes that if George Bush were still president Osama bin Laden would still be alive?  Because unless you are so demon-possessed that you literally believe crap like this, that is as stupid as it is crazy (whereas if you DO believe that aforementioned crap like this it is as crazy as it is stupid).

I talk about this at some length in another article.  First of all, the vision to get bin Laden was not Obama’s; it was George Bush’s back in 2001:

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush pledged anew Friday that Osama bin Laden will be taken “dead or alive,” no matter how long it takes, amid indications that the suspected terrorist may be bottled up in a rugged Afghan canyon. The president, in an Oval Office meeting with Thailand’s prime minister, would not predict the timing of bin Laden’s capture but said he doesn’t care how the suspect is brought to justice. “I don’t care, dead or alive — either way,” Bush said. “It doesn’t matter to me.”

You don’t think that George Bush would have approved the mission to kill that bastard?  Seriously?  I make the comparison between the way that the leftwing media gives John F. Kennedy exclusive credit for the 1969 moon landing even though the man had been dead for six years when we landed on the moon and Richard Nixon was president.  It’s just funny how the same people who refuse to give the Republican any credit because it was the previous president’s vision would so hypocritically refuse to give the Republican any credit for the bin Laden killing even though getting bin Laden was his vision.

It was the intelligence that was developed by George Bush by means of WATERBOARDING that we ultimately got bin Laden:

Of all the terrorists we captured, we only waterboarded three of them.  And it was those exact same three terrorists who told us that Osama bin Laden was living somewhere in the city of Abbottabad in Pakistan and that he was depending on a courier to stay in contact with al Qaeda.  From that point on, it was just a matter of time to develop more information about identifying and tracking that courier to the precise location in that city.

Interestingly, whether we’re talking about the survival of G.M. or the killing of bin Laden, if it hadn’t been for George Bush, Barack Obama wouldn’t have been able to accomplish either.  Because it was George Bush who provided the $13.4 billion stopgap loan that allowed G.M. to survive before Obama took office.  And it was George Bush who developed the intelligence that allowed us to make the ultimate breakthrough to finally get bin Laden.  Unless you think Obama would have had the moral courage to do what needed to be done and waterboard those three terrorists to ultimately break them and psychologically bring them to the point where they would tell us what they otherwise would never have told us.

Was Obama’s decision to get bin Laden courageous?  Not really.  First of all, he pulled a “cover your ass” trick by giving the authority to decide to launch the raid to the admiral in charge of the Special Operations Command.  So if the mission ended in disaster, it wasn’t going to be Obama’s fault; it was going to be Admiral McRaven’s fault and Obama would have been positioned as a victim of poor military leadership.  But that’s hardly the only reason it wasn’t anything at all the most courageous decision ever-ever the way the Democrats keep saying.

Let me put it to you this way: what would have happened had Obama refused to get the terrorist leader who murdered 3,000 Americans and started a massive war?  Don’t think for a second that fact wouldn’t have come out, because there would have been hundreds of military and intelligence professionals who had dedicated their entire lives to get that sonofabitch, and there is no question they would have leaked the cowardice of the president for refusing to do what had to be done.  You can argue that Obama would have been criticized if he’d gone in there and the mission had ended in disaster; but if he hadn’t gone he would have been DONE.  I literally believe that Republicans would have brought up articles of impeachment for Obama’s refusal to protect and defend the American people and enough Democrats would have voted for it to force Obama out of office.  And I claim that because the American people would have been furious that American intelligence had identified precisely where the worst mass-murderer of Americans in history was and the president refused to take him out when he had the chance.  As happy as we were that bin Laden was dead, we would have been TWICE as pissed if we learned he had been allowed to get away scott free.

If George Bush were still president, the American intelligence apparatus would have still done its job and tracked bin Laden down; and George Bush would have killed him just as dead as he killed Saddam Hussein.  Unless you think that if Bush were president the SEALs wouldn’t have been able to pull of the mission; because the SEALs were afraid and prayed to Obama, “Oh, Messiah-Obama, steady my hand,” and Messiah Obama looked down from heaven and answered their prayers, and lo, Obama guided their hands such that their bullets found their mark.

If you’re not that stupid or just plain nuts, Osama bin Laden’s days were numbered from the moment the towers collapsed.

That is a fact.  And if you’ve got a case to show otherwise, I welcome you to produce it.  It’s going to be something like, “Only Barack Obama could have got bin Laden because he’s got unicorn-messiah power and Bush didn’t.”

Osama bin Laden would have been every scintilla as dead if George Bush were still president.  And the only difference is he would have very probably been dead sooner – because Obama knew where bin Laden was for nine damn months prior to going in to get him which put the entire operation at substantial risk.  Had bin Laden moved, we would have been back to square one – only we would have had a president who wouldn’t have waterboarded the information out of bin Laden’s followers.

And General Motors would have been just as alive if not more so.

As I’ve already pointed out, it was GEORGE W. BUSH who approved the stopgap loan that kept General Motors and Chrysler:

NEW YORK ( — President Bush announced a rescue plan for General Motors and Chrysler LLC Friday morning that will make $13.4 billion in federal loans available almost immediately.

The money will come from the $700 billion fund set aside to bail out Wall Street firms and banks in October.

With these loans, Treasury will have committed virtually all of the $350 billion of that fund that it can hand out without additional authorization from Congress. Once Congress releases the other $350 billion, the two automakers will be able to borrow an additional $4 billion.

GM (GM, Fortune 500) will get $9.4 billion from the first allocation of federal loan money, while Chrysler would get the other $4 billion.

The loans are for three years, but the money will have to be repaid in full within 30 days if the firms do not show themselves to be viable by March 31.

Bush: “Preventing disorderly bankruptcy”

During brief remarks at the White House, President Bush said in normal times he would have not been in favor of preventing a bankruptcy of the two companies. But the current state of the economy and credit markets left him no choice but to act.

Bush kept G.M. and Chrysler alive as much as Obama did.  If it hadn’t been for Bush,there wouldn’t have been anything left for Obama to bail out.  And if the media weren’t anything other than rabidly biased and dishonest, they’d point that fact out.

The same rabidly biased and dishonest media that would rather spit in Bush’s face than give him credit for anything positive have deceitfully fabricated a line that they have since repeatedly demonized Mitt Romney over: “Let Detroit go bankrupt.”  Nobody is more irresponsible or dishonest than liberal journalists.  The dishonest New York Times literally provided the headline for Romney (writers almost NEVER get to title their pieces) and then demonized him for the title that THEY had given his op-ed.  If you read the pieces that Mitt Romney wrote – here and here – what you will find is that Romney favored a managed bankruptcy in which G.M. and Chrysler would enter the bankruptcy process and the government would partner with the auto manufacturers and provide assistance as needed to ensure that the companies remained viable and ALIVE.

If you read the pieces, you will also see a fact mentioned that liberals never bother to mention when they demonize Mitt Romney for letting G.M. go bankrupt: G.M. DID FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY UNDER OBAMA, just as it would have under Mitt Romney.

LOTS of American companies have famously gone into and emerged successfully out of bankruptcy.  And particularly given the fact that Obama let G.M. go bankrupt, the self-congratulatory crowing by Obama and the attacks against Mitt Romney is simply a profoundly dishonest ploy from incredibly dishonest people.  

Liberals are pathologically dishonest people who don’t give a DAMN about the facts or about truth when they can fabricate a straw man and then demonize their straw man with deceitful rhetoric.

There is simply no way that George Bush or Mitt Romney would have allowed General Motors to go the way of the Dodo bird.  Any more than either of them would have passed up the opportunity to rid the world of bin Laden.  As both Bush and Romney pointed out, General Motors and American auto manufacturing were too important to the nation.  It was only a matter of how to get GM to health.  All that Obama truly did was make sure the unions had enough power to ultimately destroy GM in the future, quite frankly.

Excuse my language, but whenever Democrats pull the lines out of their butts that Obama got bin Laden or Obama saved General Motors, realize that what they are really admitting is that the Obama presidency has been such a massive and catastrophic failure that they have absolutely nothing to run on but pure rhetorical bullshit.