Obama On Debt Ceiling, Then And Now

Here’s the latest from just over an hour ago:

WH: Obama regrets vote against raising debt limit
Associated Press – 4/11/2011

WASHINGTON – The White House says President Barack Obama regrets his vote as a senator in 2006 against raising the debt limit.

A fight over raising the debt limit is looming, and the White House is trying to explain away the apparent contradiction between Obama’s previous opposition, and his position now that it must be increased.

Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday that Obama believes his vote was a mistake. He said Obama now realizes that the debt ceiling is too important to be trifled with.

Republicans are threatening to withhold their votes to raise the ceiling unless Obama agrees to major spending reductions.

A failure to raise the debt limit would mean the government would not be able to make debt payments, leading to an unprecedented default on the national debt.

Oh, well, I guess that fixes everything.  The man was just utterly incompetent back then.  But now when he’s in the same position his moral and intellectual superior in every way – that’s George W. Bush – was in, he suddenly realizes he made a mistake.

And you’ve got to give this post turtle in the Oval Office leeway, after all.

But Obama didn’t just vote against raising the debt ceiling; he personally demonized George Bush for trying to raise it.  He said:

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

“America has a debt problem,” Obama said in 2006.  That year, Republicans passed their last budget before losing power to Democrats until this year.  It had a deficit of $161 billion.  The next year the Democrats virtually tripled that deficit to $459 billion.  And in two years of Obama it has soared to $3 TRILLION.

The AP correctly pointed out that “It was a blast by the freshman lawmaker against a Bush request to raise the debt limit to $8.96 trillion.”

It was a personal attack by an evil fool against a president which history now proves knew what he was doing versus the current moral idiot who clearly does not.

Here’s what Obama’s own Treasury Secretary said Obama wanted for America and for the American people only a few years ago:

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner warned Congress Thursday that it must raise  the statutory limit on the nation’s debt by the end of March or risk an  unprecedented and economically devastating default on American debt.

“Never in our history has Congress failed to increase the debt limit when  necessary,” Geithner said in the letter, which was sent to all members of  Congress. “Failure to raise the limit would precipitate a default by the United  States. Default would effectively impose a significant and long-lasting tax on  all Americans and American businesses and could lead to the loss of millions of  American jobs.”

Obama hasn’t changed since then; he’s the same reckless fool that he was in 2006.  The only difference is that this reckless fool has been promoted to the highest office in the land and in the world.

Obama was dead wrong about pretty much everything he’s ever believed.  Obama was dead wrong about the war on terror (or as he demanded it be called, “overseas contingency operations” or, even more insanely, “man caused disasters.”  Obama was dead wrong on Guantanamo.  Obama was dead wrong about military commissions.  Obama was dead wrong about unlimited detainment of some terrorists.  Obama was dead wrong about rendition.  Obama was dead wrong about presidential authority to wage military actions.  Obama was dead wrong about punitive taxes on the rich.  Obama was dead wrong about his out-of-control budgets.  Obama was dead wrong about every single policy he ever held – on the evidence of his own reversals.

Barack Obama is at best a colossal fool, the grand fool of all fools.  At worst he is the most evil and depraved man to ever contaminate the White House with his moral filth.  Personally, given that no one is more foolish than the wicked, I believe he is both all at once.

This is God damn America, as Barack Obama’s pastor and spiritual mentor for 23 years said:

“No, no, no, not God bless America.  God damn America!”

The hallmark of God damned America is that we get the despicable and vile leaders that we deserve.  And God damn America, but we sure got us a turd-and-half.

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22 Responses to “Obama On Debt Ceiling, Then And Now”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    “The obama debt soared” because of the Republican screw ups and expenditures.

    Let’s keep the facts straight..

  2. Michael Eden Says:

    Anonymous,

    I can understand why you choose to remain anonymous. If I said things as completely irrational and idiotic as you did I’d be ashamed to associate my name with them, too.

    Republicans have had no control over either the House or the Senate since 2006. The last REPUBLICAN passed budget for FY 2007 contained a deficit of $161 billion. Contrast that with the Democrats’ budgets. The VERY NEXT Democrat-passed budget for FY 2008 had a deficit of $459 billion – nearly THREE TIMES the size of the previous Republican defict. The Democrats FY 2009 budget had a deficit of $.142 TRILLION and the FY 2010 budget had a deficit of $1.6 TRILLION. If that’s not bad enough, we haven’t seen ANY budget at all from Democrats since April of 2009. They were too recklessly irresponsible to even bother to PASS a budget – which is THE FIRST priority of any governing body that has anything whatsoever to do with money.

    I document all of the above here: https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/obama-turns-to-clinton-to-advance-the-democrats-as-party-of-success-myth-as-his-economy-turns-to-crap/

    You are a depraved person with a depraved worldview and therefore a depraved set of “facts.”

    Let’s keep THIS fact straight: everything you think is crooked.

  3. sam Says:

    this is utter ridiculousness. And obama got osama, something Bush in all his years of power never could. And if we didnt let the rich rape our country and we were actually allowed to fairly tax them, we would not be in such a deficit problem. Thank you again Bush. Why cant republicans just compromise? Thats what democracy is about.

  4. Michael Eden Says:

    Sam,

    You know, that damn George Washington was a failure, too. Do you know he didn’t even give us cars or airplanes?

    Let’s see. It is a FACT that intelligence takes time to develop. Often, as in this case, it takes YEARS for the intelligence to develop to find out exactly where a cockroach is hiding. It is a FACT that THE essential intelligence breakthrough that resulted in us getting bin Laden not only occurred during the Bush presidency, but actually occurred as a result of the waterboarding that Obama demonized. I document that here: https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/05/07/just-asking-how-much-credit-for-getting-osama-bin-laden-does-obama-truly-deserve/

    Go about half way down that article and I literally produce the Bush-era intelligence report that tipped off our analysts that bin Laden was in Pakistan, that he relied primarily on couriers, and that those couriers were frequently in Abbotabad. It was a matter from that point on of finding out the NAME of the courier and then tracking him. That took time, you stupid dumbass. And if we’d followed Barack Obama’s lead, we NEVER would have got the information we needed to GET bin Laden. That is a documented FACT.

    As to your Marxist class warfar logic, just how much of the rich’s wealth should we confiscate? The top 5% of wage earners pay 53.25% of the income taxes. Not enough for you, Karl Marx? The top 10% of wage earners pay 64.89%. I know. It’s a shame how little they pay! And the top 50% pay 96.03%. It’s a shame the bottom half have to pay so MUCH!!!

    I responded to someone who had some of the same ideas you did last night. So I’ll just replay that lecture here:

    All you need to provide to prove yourself right is evidence that POOR PEOPLE CREATE THE DAMN JOBS.

    Oh, Don’t have any such evidence because they don’t? Well, too bad for your pooh-poohing on trickle down.

    Here’s another one: the luxury tax.

    From THE NEW YORK TIMES of all places:

    New Luxury Tax Trimming Boat Sales
    By PENNY SINGER
    Published: July 21, 1991

    THE 10 percent excise tax on pleasure boats, coming on top of the recession, is helping to scuttle parts of the local boating industry, say those who make their livings building, selling and maintaining the boats.

    The luxury tax, which began Jan. 1, is applied to that part of a new boat’s sale price over $100,000. The National Marine Manufacturers Association, the industry trade group, estimates that from 10,000 to 15,000 boats nationally will be subject to the tax.

    In Mamaroneck, Howard McMichael Jr., who is 52 years old and joined the family business, McMichael Yacht Brokers, in 1962, said his business has been hit by the tax and the recession. Sales of New Boats are Down.

    “In 1989, we sold 30 boats costing over $100,000,” Mr. McMichael said. “We sold 8 last year in that category and so far this year, we’ve sold 2.”

    The business was founded in 1935. “Traditionally, we have always sold a mix of new and used boats, with the bulk of sales, or about 60 percent of them, in new boats,” he said. “Today, new boat sales account for only 10 percent of our business.”

    According to the manufacturers association, new boat sales, which reached a high of 749,020 in 1988, dropped to 504,100 in 1990 and are expected to drop even more sharply this year.

    Mr. McMichael’s father, who founded the business, said this season is the worst he can remember.

    “Everything hit at once,” he said. “The luxury tax plus the recession left boat dealers with large inventories of boats they can’t sell while they owe the banks millions of dollars in outstanding loans.”

    Here’s another take on the same issue:

    KWAME HOLMAN: The theory behind the luxury tax sounded simple enough. Congress believed anyone willing to spend $100,000 or more on a new boat surely would be willing to pay an additional 10 percent to the federal government. But that didn’t happen. Rather than pay the tax, many people in the market to buy a boat either didn’t buy one, or bought one overseas. As a result, the luxury tax didn’t bring in much money at all, and the customers’ reluctance to buy put the boat-building business, particularly here in Rhode Island, out of business. We first visited Rhode Island in June of 1992. The luxury tax had been in effect for 18 months. Tens of thousands of jobs had been lost across the country, thousands in Rhode Island alone.

    WALTER SCHULZ, Boat Builder: (1992) When that tax came down, I mean, it was just as if, I know the metaphor sounds exaggerated, as if someone turned the faucet off.

    KWAME HOLMAN: At that time we talked with Walter Schulz, founder and president of Shannon Yachts. After 17 years of building boats, his company did collapse. Schulz was forced to declare bankruptcy.

    Notice how this was the Democrat Party’s theory on taxes and the rich in microcosm: the rich can and should pay more, and they won’t even notice. Except it’s nothing more than a asinine Marxist fantasy.

    Democrats ended up repealing that tax because it was KILLING the little guys who manufactured and maintained and cleaned yachts.

    And oh my God, that sounds EXACTLY like what Obama is proposing now about punishing the businesses that manufacture corporate jets and the maintenence employees that service and clean them. Because liberals like you are pathologically incapable of learning anything.

    And you people are just the worst kind of demagogues and weasels. Obama is demonizing the corporate jet tax breaks: HE’S THE WEASEL WHO SIGNED THEM INTO LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

    You people are just such dumbasses it is utterly unreal. When you tax rich people and businesses, they shelter their money to avoid paying taxes, which means that money isn’t available for investment and job creation; and they lay off workers to cut to the bone to keep their companies going.

    I just documented how this works today. And Democrats are no more capable of understanding the lesson than cockroaches are capable of understanding nuclear physics.

    Now, you mention something that simply is bullcrap. That since the Bush tax cuts the economy has lost jobs. You are a liar and a fool.

    This link is to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It provides the annual unemployment rates of presidents that includes both the Clinton and Bush II administrations. And guess what? BOTH PRESIDENTS AVERAGED THE SAME UNEMPLOYMENT RATE OF 5.2%.

    And let’s recall that Bill Clinton’s economic improvements DIDN’T happen until after he famously said “the era of big government is over.” While income taxes went up under Clinton, THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX GOT CUT DRAMATICALLY.

    Following Bush’s tax cuts, Bush had an unprecedented 52 consecutive months of job growth. George Bush created 8 million jobs.

    As a result of the Bush tax cuts, not only did revenues rise massively, but the rich paid a higher percentage of the total tax revenues. Both facts and more are documented here: https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/tax-cuts-increase-revenues-they-have-always-increased-revenues/

    Now, why is it that the we aren’t getting jobs even though the Bush tax cuts are still in effect? Two things: 1) is uncertainty, as businesses and rich people constantly hear Obama and Democrats threaten to tax them. As we speak Obama already increased taxes by $500 billion as part of his ObamaCare. Which already proves that you are lying when you claim that we’re still under Bush era tax policies. And Obama is threatening to go after ANOTHER TRILLION DOLLARS IN TAXES NOW. That scares people and businesses away from investing and expanding. 2) Things like Obama-Care, the Dodd-Frank Act, the attacks by the NLRB against Boeing, and the numerous EPA attacks on business. Regulations cost businesses more in compliance than they pay in income taxes and more than they generate in profits. And Obama has regulated the bloody piss out of them, They are waiting him out. They won’t create jobs until Obama is gone and the Democrats’ power is broken (they still have total control of the White House and the US Senate).

    As a result of Obama’s demonic demagogic class warfare policies that punish workers by forcing employers to cut their workforces, black people have been set back DECADES. And women are losing ground. Obama is HURTING the poor while falsely and cynically claiming to be helping them.

    You freaking Democrats are simply beyond amazing. You were in total control of both the House and the Senate from 2007 until just a few months ago. You ran ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING for the first 2 years of the Obama regime. And yet you people are simply pathologically incapable of taking any responsibility for absolutely anything at all.

  5. Anonymous Says:

    Michael you are dead wrong!

  6. Michael Eden Says:

    Are you disagreeing with the documented FACT that Barack Obama was either a complete cynical deceitful demagogue (and therefore unfit to be president) previously BASED ON HIS OWN POSTURING NOW???

    Just HOW am I wrong, given I am citing VERBATIM exactly what happened?

    Perhaps you’re a typical big government Big Brother liberal; you prefer the “Ministry of Truth” sanitized version of history – in which Big Brother is always right and Emmanuel Goldstein is always wrong.

  7. Uncle Sam Says:

    I wonder where you get these facts from. Probably conservative columnists or other underground websites that share your views. You do nothing to prove your point other than to demean those who disagree with you. In order to have respect for your views, you should respect others as well.
    If Barack Obama is so inept at everything, as you claim, then why did the American people elect him? Keep in mind, before you call the American people names, that these are the same Americans who elected George W. Bush; they elected W twice! And if he wasn’t bad (look at his mishap in China, calling the Japanese “Japanions”, being a drunk frat boy at Yale while failing, or starting two wars with one of them having no basis), then I don’t know what is.
    Your “facts” are made up things meant to prove your point of view right. The FACT (as you like to emphasize in capital letters), is that Obama has done this country right.

  8. Michael Eden Says:

    Uncle Sam,

    You wonder where I got which facts from? All of them? One or two in particular? Is the Associated Press an “underground website” now???

    Are you such a complete rabid ideologue that you actually DENY that Obama said the following:

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

    ?????

    With zero due respect, you are a coward and a deceitful person, Sam. You insinuate that somehow I am not telling the truth without being able to point out so much as a SINGLE place where I am wrong.

    You want to claim the stupid people who elected Obama were the stupid people who elected Bush??? Knock yourself out. Bush is gone, and Obama is the fool in office now. That said, I presume you’re talking about Bush going to the wrong door in one appearance in China? And you want to call that “stupid”? Okay. How about Obama trying to go through the wrong door in his own damn White House? Isn’t it far MORE stupid to be too idiot to know where you’re going in your own house??? I’ll tell you what, Sam; if my grandpa goes to the wrong door at a hotel, I’ll chalk it up to unfamiliar territory; if he does it in his own home, I’ll worry that he’s got dementia.

    Bush made a verbal gaffe conflating words? At least he didn’t get the damn YEAR wrong by three full years when he took a moment to sign an official registry at Westminster Abbey this year:

    wrong year

    That said, Obama is pretty damned foolish when he’s not using his teleprompter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=player_embedded

    At least Bush actually knew how many states there were in the country he wanted to be the damn president of (Obama thought there were 58 – he’d been to 57 with one left to see).

    There’s one more thing, Sam, you dishonest ideologue tool. You ought to have the integrity (I know, impossible thing to ask of a liberal) to recognize that when I attack Obama’s intelligence, the only thing I’m doing is following a script you played first on Ronald Reagan and then took to new heights with George Bush. If you don’t like me going after Obama, YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE TORN INTO BUSH FOR EIGHT UNRELENTING YEARS.

    Finally, I’ll end by pointing out that if you CAN’T cite the facts that I’ve got incorrect on this article, I’ll be blocking you. I don’t waste my time trying to argue with worthless, dishonest people.

  9. Uncle Sam Says:

    The fact is that your points are made to try and put others down. If you have a point then why call me names. I do not claim to be a liberal, I merely point out that what you say holds no water. You want facts however? Let’s compare Obama’s higher ratings to Bush on Gallup. You want facts, look at the recent CNN article (with A similar one one YAhoo a few months later) that wondered why Bush raised the debt ceiling NINE times in EIGHT years. Obama? Once in three and a half years. Explain that with the hateful language you pride yourself on. Furhermore, just because you have an opinion, it doesn’t make it right. That is why we Americans are viewed negatively around the world. Arrogance. You are no better than any politician on The Hill. You have no capacity to say ‘yes’ if it comes from a liberal because you claim to know everything.
    In regards to education, Obama is a much more refined and humble man than Bush. This much is fact. Why could Obama successfully talk with the heads of such countries as India and China an feel welcome? Because he is humble and has respect. I have no doubt that many of the things you say hold merit. But nonetheless, I would imagine that you are not so foolish as to believe that you could do any better than Obama. You are afraid of seeing someone so different and capable run the White House. I was not a fan of Bush, but I did agree with many things he said as did I when Reagan was here.
    In the end, we gave Bush a solid eight years to ruin the country and our outward image. He was arrogant and childish, and we were foolish to give him one chance let alone two. It will take perhaps 16 years to undo Bush’s 8 year frat party. Don’t even get me started on the numerous scandals and Cheney during W’s years. On another note, Obama getting stuck outside th House because a staff member forgot to unlock it for his ari al is different from Bush trying a false door an then making a foolish speech. His arrogant ‘filth’ (as you describe our president) was what ruined us. Please, if you have a rebuttal (which I am sure you will find some insane nonsense to back to up with) try to respond with decency. We are men in a civilized world, and despite differing opinions, we deserve mutual respect. Thank you.

  10. Uncle Sam Says:

    One more point. When you call me “worthless ideologue tool”, I think you would be pleased to hear that I am a part of the rich you adore. I went to Yale undergrad and then Columbia medical school, and am now a practicing Cardiovascular surgeon in the east coast. My salary? Roughly $850,000 per, with maybe an additional $50,000 coming in bonuses. Taxes? I pay about 45 percent, so just under $450,000 per year. I am not averse to paying taxes. As long as my money doesn’t go to Blackwater and Bush’s friends. I don’t want my money to go to companies who supply us AND the terrorists that we fight. Just thought you should know. Thanks.

  11. Michael Eden Says:

    Sam,

    I gave you your say. One of those things is that even though you have blanket praise for Obama and blanket criticism for Bush and Republicans, I can’t call you a liberal because of some stupid “Simon says” game???? I think not. What is it about you people that you don’t have the simple honesty and integrity to admit what you are??? Instead you have this hoity-toity self-righteous attitude that you somehow hover transcendentally above the political ideology of all the little peasants so far beneath you. I see it all the time from liberals, and it makes me sick every time.

    Now I’ll go ahead and block you. And I’ll explain why.

    You argued that I was putting out lies, that my FACTS were wrong.

    I challenged you to point out WHICH of my facts were wrong, and you completely ignored that as though you hadn’t just falsely attacked my credibility without having so much as ONE single thing to back up your attack.

    NOWHERE IN YOUR LAST POST DO YOU EVEN TRY TO SHOW ME A “FACT” I GOT WRONG.

    What you did was dishonest. And you are STILL being dishonest.

    I don’t waste my time arguing with dishonest people. You call me a liar without bothering to show me where I lied, and you invent your own facts.

    As for the rest of what you say in your last post (and it WILL be your last post), what am I supposed to say. You argue

    George Bush attended Yale University and then graduated from Harvard Business School. We find that the man had a higher GPA than either Al Gore or John Kerry with a more diversified course load, and that he actually had a higher IQ than John Kerry (both men were tested as military officers). We don’t even HAVE a lot of Barack Obama’s college records!!!!

    He would NOT release his Harvard records or his Columbia records. Or again here. So yours is basically a statement of religious belief in your messiah, rather than anything you could ever actually demonstrate.

    And again, given that you essentially called me a liar without bothering to enumerate any lie, and then again refused to even TRY to do so when I challenged you, I won’t be giving you a chance to “demonstrate” anything else.

    Don’t you DARE call me out for inventing facts when I DIDN’T and then try to say, “We are men in a civilized world, and despite differing opinions, we deserve mutual respect. Thank you,” BECAUSE YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE BY YOUR OWN STANDARD.

  12. Michael Eden Says:

    I had already blocked you and didn’t want to go through the trouble of doing it again when I saw you’d posted AGAIN.

    That’s quite a little history you’ve got there. It COULD be true, but then again there’s a much better chance you are like the child molester who lurks on Facebook and tells everybody he’s a 13 year old girl.

    This isn’t the first time by any means I’ve had someone like you post a bunch of claims about how magnificent you are with a great big “La dee dah! See how wonderful I am?”

    And of course people aren’t supposed to think that it’s not just as likely (if not more) that you are a 40 year old slob living in mommy’s basement. Because there is absolutely NO WAY to verify anything you claim about yourself.

    I said you were “hoity toity” in my last post on you. And that was BEFORE I saw THIS display of hoity-toityness.

    Now goodbye.

  13. College Student Says:

    LOL. This right wing extremist got pwned by an educated doctor. Wow you should focus more on your life Michael Eden and let the President do his job.

  14. College Student Says:

    Oh, and one more thing, I may not agree with what Obama has to offer, but at least he isn’t the arrogant fool that Bush was. BTW, “Uncle Sam” makes his point very well and actually has facts to back it up, which you didn’t respond to. Seeing as you know everything (or as arrogant people like you like to claim they do), WHY was the Bush debt ceiling raised NINE times in EIGHT years, as opposed to Obama’s ONE in THREE (almost FOUR) years? Yeah, go ahead and explain that with your “FACTS (you like all caps it seems)”.

  15. College Student Says:

    Oh, and if you are going to block me or moderate my comment or whatever, just so you know, the true mark of a right wing pansy is the one who is full of hot air, but when it comes time to make an intelligent counterargument, you back off and just censor the opposition. Meanwhile, LOL, here are some stats that you can stuff deep down your angry gizzard:
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/137695-poll-obama-better-than-bush-mccain-
    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/14/158424/republican-leaders-debt-limit-hypocrisy/
    See if you can respond hatefully to those. LOL. LMAO at you.

  16. michael edin Says:

    hi

  17. Michael Eden Says:

    I allowed “Uncle Sam” back. Just to document for the world what a lying cockroach he and his liberal ilk truly are.

    The previous four comments are ALL from the same guy who had called himself “Uncle Sam” and claimed he was a medical doctor.

    I didn’t think he was a doctor; I smelled a liar and a fraud and a fool. But now we can now for SURE I was right.

    “Uncle Same” is aka “College Student” and “Michel Edin.” All of the comments from those names came from the SAME IP address (173.73.150.65).

    So this fellow is simply a dishonest little vermin.

    Why bother arguing with someone who is so dishonest that they freely feel they can invent their own facts?

    I had ALREADY documented this wretched loser was dishonest. He accused me of inventing facts. But when I challenged him to show just ONE, he refused to back up what he said. MAKING HIM A LIAR.

    And now here this contemptible little weasel is, impersonating someone else and saying “Michael Eden got owned by an educated doctor.” But that whole thing comes from a lying fool.

    If you are a liberal, you ought to be seriously ashamed, because there are pathetic little cockroaches like “Uncle Sam” aka “College Student” who are exactly what YOU are.

    Now goodbye again, you vile little worm.

  18. Michael Eden Says:

    With that, I’ll respond to the pathetic point that this pathetic loser “Uncle Sam/College Student” thinks he’s made.

    Are Republicans hypocrites on the debt ceiling? Not much.

    Republicans for the most part are NOT saying they won’t raise the debt ceiling (aside from Michelle Bachmann and a couple of others). What they are saying is that if they vote for an increase in the debt ceiling, they will NOT support more taxes. And they also demand a corresponding spending cut.

    Now, if you’re going to argue that Republcians not wanting tax hikes or wanting a spending cut somehow makes them “hypocrites,” you are a truly idiotic jackass. Both are at the core of their party’s philosophy.

    Now, if you want REAL HYPOCRITES, then take a look at the Democrats.

    First of all, the Democrats are massive hypocrites over a balanced budget. Democrats always claim they WANT a balanced budget. But that’s a LIE. The Republicans offered a balanced budget amendment – THE ONLY WAY WE’LL EVERY HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET EVER AGAIN – and Democrats refused to allow it to even come up for a vote. Which is to say that every single Democrat who says they want a balanced budget is a documented liar.

    Then there’s the abject hypocrisy of DEMOCRATS on the debt ceiling.

    Let’s recall what Harry Reid and Barack Obama said when George Bush wanted to raise the debt ceiling:

    Harry Reid:

    REID: “If my Republican friends believe that increasing our debt by almost $800 billion today and more than $3 trillion over the last five years is the right thing to do, they should be upfront about it. They should explain why they think more debt is good for the economy.

    How can the Republican majority in this Congress explain to their constituents that trillions of dollars in new debt is good for our economy? How can they explain that they think it’s fair to force our children, our grandchildren, our great grandchildren to finance this debt through higher taxes. That’s what it will have to be. Why is it right to increase our nation’s dependence on foreign creditors?

    They should explain this. Maybe they can convince the public they’re right. I doubt it. Because most Americans know that increasing debt is the last thing we should be doing. After all, I repeat, the Baby Boomers are about to retire. Under the circumstances, any credible economist would tell you we should be reducing debt, not increasing it.Democrats won’t be making argument to supper this legalization, which will weaken our country.

    So exactly how is Harry Reid not a vile little hypocrite scumbag, exactly???

    Barack Obama:

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said. “It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

    So exactly how is Barack Obama not a vile little hypocrite scumbag, exactly???

    Please don’t accuse the Republicans of being “hypocrites” given the fact that NOBODY is more of a hypocrite than a Democrat.

  19. Michael Eden Says:

    I won’t allow “College Student’s/Uncle Sam’s” final remarks because I’ve blocked him, but here’s what he said in two separate posts:

    Well Sorry if I disturbed your blog. It was immature of me to comment on things, especially seeing as we probably will never agree on things. I will let you continue with what you want to say, and I promise never to again post on this website. You are entitled to your opinion, and it is not my place to defend my president nor vilify any previous president. They all love America, and although they don’t agree on how to run this country, they do their best in the way that they know how.
    My only request is that you remove the specific IP address that you posted above. You answered my question well, and it is clear that you do your research well. I hope that there will be a time in the future that both Democrats and Republicans see eye to eye, and that politics begins to matter to people and the public is willing to take part in our government. For now, I guess it’s just politics as usual. Thanks, and again sorry for being immature.

    –College Student (I am actually in college, I just wanted to see what you had to say if I was actually a rich person).

    ===========

    Sorry, I know that I said I won’t post again, but I saw that you took offense to me refuting your statements in the article. Obviously it is foolish of me to doubt what you have to say (you have done a marvelous job of documenting sources), as I have not done all of the research myself. I cannot point out a single fact as being incorrect (especially because I am not even fully aware of all the syntax involved), and therefore take your word for it. Yes, I am a liberal, but no, I am not liberal enough to claim my knowledge over everything going on. The Republicans can be right for all I know!
    Again, thanks for putting me in my place (although I hope you don’t think people are worthless just because they have different views), and I admire the dedication you have shown to your beliefs.
    The post about being a doctor is true to the extent that I am applying to Med Schools in the fall (I had an MCAT of 38 :) ) and hope to specialize in cardiovascular surgery (and make that much money). Well, this is my final goodbye, and I wish you good luck with your blog, and with the coming election in 2012. Thanks for the lesson you taught me.

    –College Student

    In one way, it was stand-up for him to use the word “apologize.” But he never actually truly apologizes for what he did.

    I blocked “Uncle Same” because he clearly implied that I was inventing facts. And that is simply not true. My facts are not only genuine, but I LINK to the sources. It was a false and demagogic straw man, and I don’t stand for that.

    And when I challenged “Uncle Sam” to substantiate his claim, he never even so much as TRIED. Rather he continued on as though it was okay to smear somebody and then pretend he had done nothing of the sort.

    For the record, “refute” means “to prove someone is false.” “Uncle Sam/College Student” most certainly did NOT “refute” me; I challenged him to do so, and he ignored my challenge.

    Don’t accuse me of not having my facts correct unless you are prepared to PROVE that my facts are not correct. I will block you, and I will mock you.

    For the record, while I don’t blog to argue with liberals, I don’t block liberals for being liberal; I block them for being dishonest (although sometimes it seems like “liberals” and “dishonest” are one and the same). That said, I try to give people their say. And a chance to respond to my challenges.

    I despise lies, straw men and false pretenses, and Uncle Sam/College Student managed to work in all three.

    I’ll say two things about your wanting to know what I had to say if you were rich, Uncle Sam/College Student:

    1) Being rich is no big deal. There are people who have a lot of money who don’t deserve it; and there are people who don’t have a lot of money who deserve a lot MORE money. This country is not based on arisocracy, but MERITocracy; we don’t give people exalted status just because they’re rich. If someone wants to get punched, he can try to cut in line in front of me claiming, “I don’t have to wait because I’m rich.” Which was why – even though I didn’t believe your claim re: being a rich doctor – I said “lah dee dah.”

    2) If you actually WERE a rich doctor, chances are very good you would be a lot wiser than you are concerning fiscal liberalism and taxes. When you find out that 74% of doctors are planning to either quit medicine altogether or become only part-time under ObamaCare – http://www.ketknbc.com/news/nationwide-poll-74-of-doctors-will-quit-after-obamacare – and when you realize that half of all doctors are going to refuse to see new Medicare patients under the new rules – http://www.heartland.org/healthpolicy-news.org/article/27899/Survey_Doctors_Dropping_Out_of_Medicare_.html – you should start to realize that liberalism just killed the medical industry.

  20. Anonymous Says:

    Remember America YOU were hoodwinked by the Democratic Party who forced your sordid Racist history down you throats by giving you a choice between a black man and a son of the soil.

    What the Democrats and the true leaders of this country did is probably the greatest SPIN move in American history.

    So then not wanting to appear truly racist you,white america; voted him into office, you wanted a break from the Cowboy; shoot them all first, image of George Bush that DAMAGED your international image and lessened your influence. So… you elected Obama.

    He on the other hand wanted to create HISTORY! So he never considered what Colin Powell thought about running for President. Colin Powell IS a wise man. He never deluded himself about the veracity of America’s RACISM.

    Now you want Obama gone and so be it. But in treating him with the disdain you have for the past three years only substantiates your racist character. When you are finished fooling yourselves and the true rulers of America you will realize that the poor, needy and racially inferiors are the ones who will have to clean your over-medicated asses and then I hope that someone will be kind enough to you to give you a forum such as this to EXPRESS yourselves.

    You were silent when the REPUBLICANS took you to war ate up your surplus all because Saddam Hussein had imaginary WMD’S.
    You allowed Bush to break the bank because you believe your’e always RIGHT… then again that OBAMA Presidency ..Well goodluck

  21. Michael Eden Says:

    Anonymous,

    You are a true racist and a true bigot.

    Your basic point is that, no matter what a fool, or a disaster, or a disgrace Obama is, if we don’t worship him and follow him like sheep we are “racist.”

    YOU are racist for thinking that. It is flat-out RACISM.

    You are ALSO either an idiot or a liar (or both, of course).

    You said “Bush damaged your international image and lessened your influence…”

    Well, stick THIS in your pipe and blow it out your ass:

    Bush trumps Barack in the Arab world: President Obama is proving an embarrassing flop in the Middle EastBy Nile Gardiner, July 13th, 2011

    Today’s eye-opening IBOPE Zogby International poll for the Arab American Institute Foundation should be a wake-up call to the White House on its failing foreign policy. After two and a half years of bashing Israel, appeasing rogue regimes such as Iran and Syria, and promising a new era of relations with the Muslim world, Washington is now less popular in major Arab countries than it was when George W. Bush was in the White House.

    The poll surveys Arab opinion in six countries: Morocco, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, and reveals that “Arabs see the Obama Administration’s handling of most Middle East policy issues as having made no contribution to improving US-Arab relations. Only on the issue of the “no-fly zone over Libya” do a majority of Saudis and plurality of Lebanese see a positive contribution.”

    Obama demonized Bush (just like YOU, fool) and cynically promised that HE would transcendently rise above partisan and ideological differences. Just like the false messiah he is.

    BUT HE LIED. AND THAT LIE IS NOW OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN.

    In demanding that we continue to love Obama no matter how abjectly he failed “just because he’s black,” YOU SUBSTANTIATE YOUR RACIST CHARACTER.

    And I am sick of you racist demagogues with your racist rants.

    Lastly, these words by Obama’s vice president basically show your last paragraph to be a lie:

    I am very optimistic about — about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You’re going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You’re going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.

    I spent — I’ve been there 17 times now. I go about every two months — three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.

    George Bush liberated Iraq from a vile and evil tyrant dictator who murdered at least 400,000 of his own citizens.

    Bush created a stable democracy in the heart of an Arab world that had NEVER seen anything CLOSE to democracy.

    And after demonizing the Iraq War and the surge that won that war, Obama is now actually TAKING CREDIT for it. Because that’s just the lowlife pile of slime he is.

    Let me say a little more about that. George Bush recognized that Afghanistan was no place for the US to get bogged down. And that we WOULD get bogged down there. So he focused on Iraq, a country whose terrain and culture and people would enable us to create a stable democratic alternative in the heart of the Islamic world.

    A Democrat strategist revealed the following about just how cynical and vile Democrats were regarding Afghanistan and Iraq:

    the Democrats raised the issue of Afghanistan — and they made it into “the right war” and “the good war” as a way to attack Bush on Iraq. […]

    the Democrats never really supported the Afghan war. It was simply a club with which to bash the [Bush] administration on the Iraq war and pretend that Democrats aren’t anti-war in general, just against the wrong war. […]

    It wasn’t BUSH who got us bogged down in an unwinnable war in terrible terrain with a people who are ignorant and who will NEVER understand why we’re there, you ignorant fool. IT WAS OBAMA. OBAMA GOT US INTO THIS HELLHOLE QUAGMIRE.

    And on top of the Afghanistan hellhole which Obama MASSIVELY EXPANDED, Obama also got us into wars in LIBYA, and YEMEN, and PAKISTAN.

    So you just keep up your racist hate and your ignorant raving lies, Anonymous.

    But there are people who have FACTS that know what YOU are.

    P.S. Oh, by the way, Bush tried to warn us about the danger of a nuclear-armed Iran, and fools like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden DEMONIZED him for it. And guess who was right, and guess who were a bunch of slandering liars???

  22. Anonymous Says:

    Amen Mr.Eden

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