Documented Fact: Obama And Clinton ORGANIZED PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST AMERICANS Who Support Trump Through Party Roaches

Months ago, I was really struggling to be able to support Donald Trump even as it was obvious he was going to be the GOP nominee.  Could I support a turd like this guy had long-since revealed himself to be?  I wrote a scathing article about Trump after he mocked Prisoners of War you can see here.

Don’t think for one second I wanted Trump to be the nominee.

But then I started seeing all these physically violent attacks against Trump supporters whose “crime” was to go to a political rally and listen to a major party candidate for president speakDOZENS of them, across the nation.

These attacks were right out of the heart of darkness, right out of the heart of the Nazis.  Because it was their identical mindset: the ends justify the means, whatever we have to do to win.

And in my articles I repeatedly pointed out that these people doing this were DEMOCRATS.  These NAZIS were DEMOCRATS.

So here we are, in late October, and Donald Trump got busted on a tape from a dozen years ago being a vile turd toward women.  How could I vote for a guy like that?

Well, I can do it because the woman he is running against has repeatedly demonstrated herself to be a paranoid fascist who has assembled a staff that hates and despises and wants destroyed anyone who isn’t completely with her in everything.  One candidate has been caught spewing crap about women; the other candidate is supported by a Nazi machine that is literally viciously and violently opposed to our Constitution and everything genuine democracy stands for.

And you can see this vile, corrupt, criminal NAZI system circling its wagons to drag Hillary Clinton to the White House so that she can finish the “God DAMN America Program” that Barack Obama started.  We now see that it was beyond obvious that every single time Hillary said she didn’t have any classified emails on her paranoid-fascist secret server (that she illegally installed to undermine the transparency guaranteed in our Constitution because every vote for her is a vote for someone who is ABOVE THE LAW) she was lying like the worst liar who ever lived.  And so the Obama White House, the Obama State Department, and the Obama FBI all criminally conspired to whitewash those emails so that what was clearly classified would not be classified anymore and ergo sum what her Hillary Clinton’s lies would become “truth.”

Lo and behold, this same FBI whitewashed a criminal investigation that should have seen Hillary behind bars.  You know, after Bill Clinton secretly and unethically met with Attorney General Lynch and her FBI agents ordered people with cameras away.

The IRS scandal ( see also here and here) – another amazing whitewash – ought to be all any reasonable American needs to realize that Barack Obama weaponized the American government against anyone who would oppose him and his Stalinist successor Hillary.  For example, the Obama Injustice Department knew for TWO YEARS before Congress about the IRS scandal in which the American people who weren’t for Obama were criminally and treasonously targeted, and did NOTHING.

It’s kind of fitting that Hillary’s slogan is “I’m With Her.”  Because in her diseased mind, if you aren’t “with” her you are AGAINST her.  And you can bet if she gets real power she will come after every American who is not “with her.”  We see in the email dumps that she tried to criminally destroy after the records were subpoenaed that Hillary and her team have contempt for average Americans, contempt for Catholics and evangelical Christians, contempt for Bernie Sanders, contempt for Bernie Sanders’ supporters, contempt for “needy Latinos“, contempt for NAACP head Ben Jealous and the black community, pretty much contempt for anyone who wasn’t “with her” enough in her diseased mind.

Oh, half of Trump’s half of the American people Hillary called “deplorables” and “irredeemables.”  The same woman is on the record talking about Needy Latinos, about Sanders’ supporters’ as “a bucket of losers,” etc.

This is a woman who is guaranteed to have an extensive “enemies’ list” against virtually every single American by the time she’s running for her second term.  And wait till you see the thugs she ALREADY has on her payroll to beat you down.

This witch says she is going to unite America?  Well, maybe by putting half of the American people into death camps and grinding up their bodies to feed the starving remainder in a North Korea-like starvation-state, perhaps.

Yeah, Trump has spoken in crude terms about women, and there are women – you know, just like there were women who claimed that Trump supporters had “attacked them” – who have come out against him.  And Bill Clinton – whom Hillary has said would handle the U.S. economy – is a documented serial rapist who STILL has women coming out to say he sexually assaulted them today; and Hillary actually represented the pedophile rapist of a twelve-year-old girl, destroyed that girls’ credibility by alleging that she wanted the rape and had “fantasies”, and got the rapist off on a trivial technicality – and actually laughed about her crime against women.  Oh, that and her Foundation took a HUNDRED MILLIONS DOLLARS from the regimes that are THE most abusive toward women on the face of the earth.  But OH!  Look at that shiny Trump scandal over there!!! says the media.

It’s amazing how none of this horrifying stuff against women mattered.  Until Trump did far less.  And then the self-righteous left came out in savage force.  Trump’s personal stupidity and the left’s hypocrisy and the media’s blatant bias will probably cost the United States of America it’s national existence.

You need to see what the Clinton and Obama-machines have done to the American people in the form of organizing physical attacks to suppress them and then cynically exploit the very physical attacks that THEY THEMSELVES WERE ORCHESTRATING to falsely claim that Trump was inciting violence THAT THEY WERE THEMSELVES ORCHESTRATING:

Here is some video you ought to watch before you vote:

Here’s the story:

Dem Operative Who Oversaw Trump Rally Agitators Visited White House 342 Times
Peter Hasson
Reporter, Associate Editor
11:38 PM 10/18/2016
[see video attached to article at site]
A key operative in a Democratic scheme to send agitators to cause unrest at Donald Trump’s rallies has visited the White House 342 times since 2009, White House records show.
Robert Creamer, who acted as a middle man between the Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee and “protesters” who tried — and succeeded — to provoke violence at Trump rallies met with President Obama during 47 of those 342 visits, according to White House records. Creamer’s last visit was in June 2016.
Creamer, whose White House visits were first pointed out by conservative blog Weasel Zippers, is stepping back from his role within the Clinton campaign. (RELATED: Second O’Keefe Video Shows Dem Operative Boasting About Voter Fraud)
Hidden camera video from activist James O’Keefe showed Creamer bragging that his role within the Clinton campaign was to oversee the work of Americans United for Change, a non-profit organization that sent activists to Trump rallies. (RELATED: Activist Who Took Credit For Violent Chicago Protests Was On Hillary’s Payroll)
“The [Clinton] campaign pays DNC, DNC pays Democracy Partners, Democracy Partners pays the Foval Group, The Foval Group goes and executes the shit,” Foval told an undercover journalist.
One example of the “shit” Foval executes was an instance in which a 69-year-old woman garnered headlines after claiming to be assaulted at a Trump rally.
“She was one of our activists,” Foval said.
Creamer’s job was to “manage” the work carried out by Foval.
“And the Democratic Party apparatus and the people from the campaign, the Clinton campaign and my role with the campaign, is to manage all that,” Creamer told an undercover journalist.
“Wherever Trump and Pence are gonna be we have events,” he said.

Robert Creamer, an already convicted criminal felon for what that’s worth, is now seen before our very eyes to be guilty of organizing physical violence against Americans and guilty of vote-rigging, visited the White House hundreds of times to discuss how to overthrow the entire American Constitutional system and “fundamentally transform America” through violence and criminal  voting.  It’s really beyond amazing.

I knew it was Democrats doing this crap.  That much was OBVIOUS.  But we didn’t know how far up the evil tree the evil fruit fell from.

You say it’s hyperbole to compare what Obama and Clinton have done to the Nazis?  Bullcrap:

“In September 1921, Hitler formed the paramilitary SA (Sturmabteilung) or storm troopers. The SA protected Nazi party meetings and broke up opponents’ political meetings.  The SA men were tough beer-hall thugs, many of whom had fought in Free Corps units.  With their muscle and zeal, they terrorized adversaries.” — [Catherine Epstein, Nazi Germany: Confronting the Myths, p. 27]

Barack Obama is a Nazi thug.  Hillary Clinton is a Nazi thug.


So it’s not too hard to support the guy who, leftist memes aside, is NOT the Nazi against a Democrat Party machine that is Nazi to its sixty-million-murdered-babies core.

Adolf Hitler murdered six million Jews.  Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and every single Democrat stand personally guilty of sixty million murdered babies.

Adolf Hitler had his SA Brownshirts, homosexual thugs who savagely beat anyone who got in Hitler’s way.  Hillary has her own thugs to do the same.  And by the way, the homosexual SA was no aberration, as a homosexual writer acknowledges where he documents that homosexuality and fascism go hand-in-pink glove.

Adolf Hitler had his Ministry of Propaganda to paint whatever the hell picture he wanted painted about his opposition while steadfastly ignoring the facts that would have ruined him.  Hillary has her own media roaches to do the same.

Adolf Hitler was a fascist socialist, which means he used his power over government to control corporations that were only too eager to play ball with him while destroying those that wouldn’t.  You just look at the lineup of ObamaCare insurance companies as this wicked law was being passed, Obama energy boondoggles such as Solyndra, or look at Hillary’s incredibly corrupt Clinton Foundation (see more here) and all the Wall Street players that paid her well over a hundred million dollars for secret “speeches,” and understand that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are fascist socialists who use government to control corporations.

You add to that the un-American, criminal, treasonous way the Democrat Party machine exploits illegal votes to “fundamentally transform” our democratic process against itself.  Add to the article I just linked to the fact that in New York City, undercover investigators were able to get away with voting as dead people 61 out of 63 times.  That’s 97 percent of the time, kids.

We now for a damn FACT that the Clintons and the Democrat Party machine stole the nomination away with blatant corruption.  We now know for a FACT that “the Democratic Party” is to “democracy” is what “communism” is to “economics.”  Or what Nazism or Stalinism is to “human rights.”

These damn Nazis already got caught red-handed stealing and election: And only FOOLS don’t realize that theft is taking place to rob us on the vastly more important stage.  Most especially given the proof that these Nazis will do ANYTHING to win.

You will have all of this and more on your soul if you vote for this.  America itself will have this on its national soul.  I quote Obama’s “reverend”: “God DAMN America!” if it votes for this.

I still remember the haunting words of a journalist who got imprisoned for being opposed to Adolf Hitler and his rise to power.  He said:

I am writing this from cell 24. Outside a new Germany is being created. Many millions are rejoicing. Hitler is promising everyone precisely what they want. I think when they wake to their sobering senses, they will find they have been led by the nose and duped by lies.” — Jailed journalist Stephen Laurant, circa 1935

That’s exactly what is taking place now: our Ministry of Propaganda media, our entire national government apparatus – under the most corrupt and abusive president in all American history – along with a toxic, literally Nazi Democrat Party machine, along with THE most already-proven corrupt politician who ever lived, are conspiring together to lead Americans by the nose and dupe us with LIES.  And one day very, very soon WE will awaken to our sobering senses.

Under Obama’s despicable and vile “leadership,” terrorism has skyrocketed by 1,900 percent.  Do you understand that?  Do you understand that it will skyrocket another ten thousand percent if we elect Hillary Clinton?  Do you realize that as a direct result of Obama’s radically despicable and failed policies, there are now more refugees on planet earth than at any time in all of human history including the hell of World War II???   Do you realize that Russia, and China, and North Korea, and Iran are drooling over the opportunity to keep punching weak, gutless, cowardly America – because weak, gutless, cowardly DEMOCRATS who stand for nothing beyond THEMSELVES lead it – until we fall down at which time they will stomp on our throats???  Obama has DESTROYED our ability to defend ourselvesObama is sending our warriors out to fight ISIS – and we can’t even defeat THEM now – with cannibalized parts stripped from other ships and aircraftObama so depleted our Army that we had only TWO combat-ready brigades that could actually FIGHTWe are no longer able to standThe US Army chief of staff stated that we could be defeated because of what Obama has done to destroy our military.  And we will fall unless something radically different than anything Obama or Clinton will do is done.

This crap that Putin wants Hillary to lose is a sick, disgusting joke.  He wants her to WIN and he wants her to be WEAK.  The only reason Putin aired Hillary Clinton’s dirty laundry is because Hillary Clinton recklessly and foolishly and criminally gave all her – and America’s – secrets away and he is destabilizing us.

Do you realize how close we are to a catastrophic economic collapse that Democrats actually WANT because “communism is the goal”???  THEY were the ones who actually caused and created the collapse of 2008 and were thus most prepared to exploit itObamaCare is Cloward-Piven in microcosmWe have Obama’s favorite union thug actually caught on tape conspiring to exploit the system to implode America so Democrats can get the communism – and ultimately the Antichrist – they so passionately want.

Hillary wants “open borders.”  She has directly said it herself in her own words.  She wants MILLIONS, TENS OF MILLIONS, more illegal immigrants flooding into America.  Not because these millions of people hungry for work in a socialist economy that can’t even create enough jobs for the people already here would help America – because it wouldn’t – but because they will vote Democrat and that’s all that matters to the most corrupt political party in the world today.

You will see all hell break out if Hillary Clinton becomes president.

And we will most decidedly deserve that hell.

It won’t merely be that America will go down hard; it will be that America will DESERVE to go down hard.


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5 Responses to “Documented Fact: Obama And Clinton ORGANIZED PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST AMERICANS Who Support Trump Through Party Roaches”

  1. dog walker Says:

    Here is me thread jacking again.
    I gotta be honest about that whole Annanias and Saphira thing.
    First of all I got to think that God is God and he can do whatever he wants. But then again he is supposed to be the “love God.”
    You know dying for the forgiveness of sin and all that.
    I just can’t get that to square with Annanias and Saphira dying, being killed by God for money. In my mind that somehow sets a stage for churches… money.
    We got the love God, but hey don’t mess with the money.
    Then I think about the “unforgivable” sin. That is supposed to be blaspheming the Holy Spirit. But it looks to me like Annanias and Saphira did the unforgivable sin. Holding back money.
    Well, I guess you could argue that it wasn’t holding back money that was their sin. It was more like making a false representation about how much they were giving or some such. What? Another unforgivable sin? But it is about money.
    So in my mind the question arises is that a true story about the love God or is that a manipulation by church people on behalf of the money God.
    That is a big sticking point for me and the Bible.

    I got some sticking points with that whole thing about Job too.

    My most recent church I thought had a reasonable perspective on money for the longest time. Debt free. They could live off of the tithe collection. I watched the liquidate their mortgage. They put a barbeque thing up there on the stage and burnt the mortgage. Actually three times in three different services. I thought that was cool. A church that didn’t have money problems and wasn’t continually hounding us about some damn budget deficit.

    Then along comes the big box mega church. I think our pastor got church envy. He wanted to build a new church. He wanted all of us congregants to pledge up for a new building (and borrow). I objected and advocated my objection. I am all like hey didn’t we just burn the mortgage?

    Then I got to scrutinizing all of the churches hangers on. Staff.
    A music leader, full time really? What does he do all day or how long does it take to pick songs for Sunday? That is just a sample of church staff philosophical weirdness.

    Then song singing for a wedding or a funeral, he gets an honorarium. That don’t come out of his full time wage money even though he does that stuff while he is “on the clock.”

    Then they get really weird about crafting their compensation so they don’t gotta pay taxes. Oh, housing allowance, oh transportation allowance. I think that is weird. I get that whole thing about not taxing churches but I still think churches get plenty weird about money. I used to be a big tither. Somehow I soured on it all.

    I hear you refer to guys doing 90% of the church work. I am all like what is that work like? Is that like Sunday school teacher, you know, preparing a Sunday lesson. Is that like a guy volunteering to paint and pull weeds and clean bathrooms? Heck, I ain’t never seen paid church staff doing any of that. Paid church staff that I seen “worked from home.” How sweet is that gig?

    Sorry about my anti church rant.

    I believe in God the Father almighty, maker of heaven and Earth…

  2. dog walker Says:

    So my resentment is all about guys that don’t got the same expenses as I do, that don’t define work like I do …
    Telling me about first fruits.
    Oh, you need to take your tithe off of the top of all the money you get… you know before you even pay your bills.

    To pay me because I am doing the Lord’s work.

  3. Michael Eden Says:

    Hi Dog walker,

    The story of Ananias and Sapphira is one of the more misunderstood of the Bible. As an example, many on the left point to it as an example of COMMUNISM being the core of the early Church. They claim that everybody gave everything they had to the central pot and that’s what we should do today: give all our money to the state. Communism. It was NOT. And no, NOT all the Christians were giving everything they had to the “pot.”

    Nor is this a story about MONEY at all. Rather, the Book of Acts is ultimately a story – with every individual story supporting it – of the sovereignty of the Holy Spirit. Jesus ascended to Heaven and the same Holy Spirit that had indwelt and equipped Jesus filled Jesus’ mystical Body, the Church. And Acts continues in that theme precisely where Luke left off. The Book really ought to be called “The Acts of the Holy Spirit.” It was by the Holy Spirit Jesus gave orders to the apostles (Acts 1:2). It was with the Holy Spirit the apostles would be baptized (1:5). It was the power of the Holy Spirit the apostles would receive (1:8). It was the Holy Spirit that prophesied (1:16). That’s just chapter one. I can go on and on. Chapter by chapter, you see the power of the Holy Spirit. It was the Holy Spirit who said to set Saul and Barnabas apart; it was the Holy Spirit who called them (13:2). And it was the Holy Spirit who sent them out (13:4). It was the Spirit who told Peter where to go (11:12). At the same time, it was the Holy Spirit who forbid the missionaries to preach in Asia (Acts 16:6). Right after that Paul received a vision from the same Holy Spirit where he WAS to go (16:9).

    So when you make Acts about money – either in a communist sense OR a greedy capitalist sense, you are reading it wrong.

    So, again, what happens in Acts 5 with Ananias and Sapphira? You have the backdrop of the end of Acts 4, where – AFTER being filled with the Holy Spirit, by the way (Acts 4:31) – you have the stellar example of Christian generosity and the willingness to completely trust the Spirit rather than money or our own effort. And so BECAUSE of the Holy Spirit, “not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them all” (Acts 4:32). The ultimate example of “Mi casa es su casa.” And what had created that climate? What created that attitude? The Holy Spirit and nothing and no one else.

    So enter now Ananias and Sapphira. They wanted part of this “cred.” They were saying, “Hey, look at US. WE got the Holy Spirit, too!” And so they hatched a scheme.

    If you read the story correctly, you see that God didn’t WANT their damn money. The ONLY money God wants is money given from a pure heart, filled with the Spirit. Otherwise it’s better in your pocket, because it’s the only reward you’re ever going to get and you may as well spend it on your own damn self.

    Ananias and Sapphira sell land like the other true, Spirit-filled Christians. But they give only a PART of the money to God and keep the rest for themselves (Acts 5:1-2).

    Does Peter make this about money? NO!!!! He says, “Why has Satan filled your heart TO LIE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT?” Because THAT was the crime; it was NOT about the money; it was about the deception of somebody claiming they were filled with the Holy Spirit when in reality they were filled with SATAN. It was about LYING to God’s people and claiming they were Spirit-filled when they WERE NOT; about deceiving God’s people so that how can we trust the Holy Spirit???

    Peter specifically points out, “While it remained unsold, DIDN’T THE LAND REMAIN YOUR OWN? And after it was sold, WAS IT NOT UNDER YOUR CONTROL?” And Peter points out the lie was ultimately to God Himself, claiming that what was NOT from God really WAS from God and thus undermining God.

    Don’t you see, dog walker? Ananias and Sapphira DIDN’T HAVE TO GIVE ANYTHING. Had they kept the land or all the profits from the sale of the land for themselves, they would have been FINE.

    This passage does NOT endorse communism because the believers did NOT have to give it up, the way the State seizes everything and just takes it. Nor is it about greedy pastors, because Peter specifically states the land and the money that Ananias and Sapphira had were their own to do as they pleased. Rather, it is about lying to the Holy Spirit and trying to become a Fifth Column” within the Church in pretending to be Spirit-filled and thus trustworthy when in fact they were cold, calculating liars and schemers and plotters and manipulators.

    So instead of being filled with the Spirit the way the other Christians who shared their wealth, Ananias and Saphira hatched a scheme to usurp the work of the Holy Spirit and deceive Christians into believing that people who were NOT filled with the Spirit WERE filled with the Spirit. And thus undermining the trust and the confidence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

    It was an object lesson about lying to God and deceiving God’s people. It was about FAKING the Holy Spirit. It was NOT about money and “You should give everything you have….”

    Look at Haggai 2:7-9: “I will shake all the nations; and they will come with the wealth of all nations, and I will fill this house with glory,’ says the LORD of hosts. The silver is Mine and the gold is Mine,’ declares the LORD of hosts. ‘The latter glory of this house will be greater than the former,’ says the LORD of hosts, ‘and in this place I will give peace,’ declares the LORD of hosts.”

    God has all the money He needs. He made the world and all the treasures of the world already belong to Him. If people want to partner with Him and support His work, they have the opportunity to share in that blessing. If not, then they should just keep their money for themselves the way unbelievers do.

    2 Corinthians 9:7 says, “You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. ‘For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.'” And that last part is an allusion to Exodus 25:1-2 where God tells Moses “raise a contribution for Me, from every man whose heart moves him…”

    So look then at Luke 21:1- : While Jesus was in the Temple, he watched the rich people dropping their gifts in the collection box. Then a poor widow came by and dropped in two small coins. “I tell you the truth,” Jesus said, “this poor widow has given more than all the rest of them. For they have given a tiny part of their surplus, but she, poor as she is, has given everything she has.” Some of his disciples began talking about the majestic stonework of the Temple and the memorial decorations on the walls. But Jesus said, “The time is coming when all these things will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!” [Which for the record happened exactly as Jesus declared in 70AD).

    Now, obviously, I can’t speak for your “mega-church” or your pastors’ and elders’ vision for that church. Did it come from God? I’d have to be there to have any way of knowing. I DO know that we recently hired a worship pastor at my own church (which is NOT a megachurch). That pastor is also over outreach. He has worked like a dog since coming. He’s started a music club where he teaches people to play basically whatever instrument they bring; he’s worked to bring other instruments into the church. He has to write music and work to teach people playing piano, saxophone, trumpets, flutes, all kinds of stuff. He’s working a LOT, I assure you. And we are THRILLED with the worship he has brought and the new attitude toward worshiping God that has resulted.

    As for pastors serving, giving their time, most good pastors would agree that a pastor should be willing to serve in extra ways as much as one of the more dedicated professional working laymen in their congregations serve. There is the balance of what they are being paid to do and then there should be their own Christian service. If I am a banker, or a business owner, I should serve my church. And that service goes on TOP of my banking or my business. Same for pastors: they TOO should serve, and be EXAMPLES of service. But each pastor has to make that decision where their “job” ends and where their “service” begins. But I agree, if there is a “church clean-up day,” the pastors ought to show up and be examples to their flocks and care for their sanctuary the way they want the congregation to.

    The church is filled with hypocrites. But in the end, I’m a hypocrite, too. If I found a perfect church I shouldn’t join it or I’d ruin it the way Ananias and Sapphira tried to ruin the church!!!

    I’m just pointing out that if you don’t like HYPOCRITES in church who are FAKERS, then you ought to be all for what God did in Acts with Ananias and Sapphira. Because He showed what He thinks of such people.

    That said:

    We are COMMANDED to be part of a local Body of Christ. Some articles that seem promising because I have to go:
    “where in the bible does it say to go to church?”

    Do Not Forsake the Assembly – Why Christian Fellowship is Important?

    Does the Bible Require Christians to Attend Church?

    Weekly Church Attendance is Essential!

    It’s EASY for people to get, to become, bitter and hard-hearted toward the people of God and forsake the assembly with God’s people. You don’t need them; you look DOWN on them. You despise them. Your not part of them. You don’t support them or what they are doing.

    And yet “they” are Christ’s Body on earth.

  4. dog walker Says:

    Dang Michael,you are a good writer. Sometimes I spend days reading your writing just to study how you write. I can’t believe you are an Army guy. It just doesn’t fit the paradigm.
    I shouldn’t be saying anything just now because I am going to spend some time digesting this.

    My big curiosity here at the get go is the Holy Spirit because blaspheming the Holy Spirit supposedly is bad news big time.

    Nevermind that. Thanks for going to the trouble of this essay. Don’t think for a moment that I threw it away. Oh, and don’t think that there ain’t another guy just like me with the same dilemma.


  5. Michael Eden Says:


    I was talking with my friend on the phone last night and talking about the soul as the nexus between our physical body and our spirit: it’s the point where the physical and the material connect.

    And in the same way, the Holy Spirit, I believe, is the nexus where God reaches man. God talks to us through our spirit with HIS Spirit. And that Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

    When you begin to confuse people as to the Holy Spirit, what relationship can we have with God? How then shall we relate to Him?

    See the passage on the blasphmemy of the Holy Spirit and note what happens that prompts Jesus’ explanation from Mark chapter 3:

    22The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons.” 23And He called them to Himself and began speaking to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24“If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25“If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26“If Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but he is finished! 27“But no one can enter the strong man’s house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house. 28“Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.”

    What is going on? The Pharisees are attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to SATAN! And Jesus is saying, “You’d BETTER BE REAL CAREFUL!”

    And that is basically what Ananias and Sapphira did in reverse. They were seeing the work of the Holy Spirit around them and tried to fake their way in.

    THAT’S what made what they did so serious, as opposed to the fact that they didn’t give the entire proceed of their sale of land to the apostles. It was the work of the Holy Spirit in His people that prompted people to give everything they had, and Ananias and Sapphira impersonated that work and falsely tried to pretend it was taking place in them when it wasn’t.

    People who play around with the Holy Spirit and say, “This is the Holy Spirit!” when it is NOT the Holy Spirit or say “This is the work of the devil!” when it is the work of the Holy Spirit are in mortal jeopardy.

    I’ve been hurt by churches and I’ve been hurt by Christians. People are human and they are NOT God. They can screw up royally. And there IS a time to leave a particular church. But if you feel that your church has violated something truly important and is in sin/heresy, then you find another church and plant yourself there and grow in that church.

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