This is what liberals being liberals looks like. It’s ugly, because liberals are ugly people:
Glenn Beck Harrassed In Bryant Park (VIDEO, PHOTOS) Hate-Fueled Assault
by Jim BroganRight-wing Fox host Glenn Beck decided it was finally time that he took his daughter and wife to see a showing of Alfred Hitchcock’s ‘The 39 Steps’ at Bryant, a trip he’d wanted to do for years. He did on Monday night – but was unfortunately met by a bunch of people acting like animals.
Beck has wanted to take his daughter to Bryant Park for a very long time, and when his wife said to him, “You wanna go?” because of the whispering, pointing and texting and other behavior from the people there, he turned and said to her, “Not on your life.”
“It was a hostile situation,” Beck recounted of the trip. The host’s WIFE – yes, his wife, had a bottle of alcohol “accidentally” kicked on to her back, leaving her and the blanket “completely wet.” The crowd behind them laughed about it.
It unfortunately didn’t get any better as the night went on. His wife and daughter were getting up to go to the bathroom when a man pointed his fingers and yelled, “We hate conservatives here!” His daughter had tears in her eyes when she and her mother returned to their blanket.
Another woman stood up behind the family, pointed her finger at them and said, “We’re in New York, and we HATE Republicans!”
Beck and his family were treated like garbage by ignorant, rude liberals at the movie showing. He said Tuesday, “If I had suggested — and I almost did — wow, does anybody have a rope? Because there’s a tree here. You could just lynch me. And I think there would’ve been a couple in the crowd that would’ve!”
But the host somehow maintained his sympathy for others at the showing: “I apologize to anybody who had their movie experience wrecked because of the people that found it so necessary to spew hatred,” Beck said, “but there’s nothing I can do about it.”
Beck was also bothered by the fact that no one jumped to his defense at the park. He said he was “…a little surprised that nobody — nobody — in the crowd said ‘knock it off. Just, stop. Just be cool. I don’t agree with the guy, but just be cool.’ ”
The host said his experience was so horrible, he wouldn’t wish it on his worst enemies: “All through the evening, I wanted to say to you today, please, please, please don’t ever treat anybody like that. If Van Jones comes and sits right next to you, please don’t treat anybody like that.”
Video below. Where’s the outrage?
By the way, this isn’t uncommon at all. It’s not dissimilar to the way that Andrew Breitbart was treated when he showed up in the public common area at a Netroots Nation convention. He was immediately accosted, surrounded and heckled and treated like dirt by people who actually called themselves “journalists.”
Garden variety liberals are much more classless vermin, of course. Here’s video of an elderly woman who was assaulted for bringing a cross to a “No on Prop 8” event in Palm Springs. Liberals came unglued, because they are godless, wicked people and coming unglued is what they do best.
I have met a fair number of “celebrities” in my life. As someone who lives in the Palm Springs area, it’s not all that unusual – especially if one is involved at all in the community. If I genuinely admired a celebrity, I offered my congratulations to him or to her; if I didn’t, I have left them alone and ignored them.
I don’t understand how liberals can think that Nazis have a right to march through a town largely populated by Jewish death camp survivors, but conservatives don’t have a right to anything. It’s just an exhibit of what vile, vile hypocrites liberals are. Liberals would probably sneer and say something stupid like, “That’s because conservatives are worse than Nazis,” but what it really proves is that liberals are tolerant of Nazi fascists, but utterly intolerant of anyone with whom they disagree.
I would NEVER have treated a liberal celebrity like this. And as despicable as these people acted, it was even MORE despicable for these cockroach liberals to treat Glenn Beck’s family this way.
I love Ann Coulter’s take on this vile example of the fact that liberals are genuinely vile people:
Glenn Beck Vs. The Mob
by Ann Coulter
06/29/2011Of all the details surrounding the liberal mob attack on Glenn Beck and his family in New York’s Bryant Park last Monday night, one element stands out. “No, it won’t be like that, Dad,” his daughter said when Beck questioned the wisdom of attending a free, outdoor movie showing in a New York park.
People who have never been set upon by a mob of liberals have absolutely no idea what it’s like to be a publicly recognizable conservative. Even your friends will constantly be telling you: “Oh, it will be fine. Don’t worry. Nothing will happen. This place isn’t like that.”
Liberals are not like most Americans. They are the biggest pussies on Earth, city-bred weaklings who didn’t play a sport and have never been in a fight in their entire lives. Their mothers made excuses for them when they threw tantrums and spent way too much time praising them during toilet training.
I could draw a mug shot of every one of Beck’s tormentors, and I wasn’t there.
Beck and his family would have been fine at an outdoor rap concert. They would have been fine at a sporting event. They would have been fine at any paid event, mostly because people who work for the government and live in rent-controlled apartments would be too cheap to attend.
Only a sad leftist with a crappy job could be so brimming with self-righteousness to harangue a complete stranger in public.
A liberal’s idea of being a bad-ass is to say vicious things to a conservative public figure who can’t afford to strike back. Getting in a stranger’s face and hurling insults at him, knowing full well he has too much at risk to deck you, is like baiting a bear chained to a wall.
They are not only exploiting our lawsuit-mad culture, they are exploiting other people’s manners. I know I’ll be safe because this person has better manners than I do.
These brave-hearts know exactly what they can get away with. They assault a conservative only when it’s a sucker-punch, they outnumber him, or he can’t fight back for reasons of law or decorum.
Liberals don’t get that when you’re outnumbering the enemy 100-1, you’re not brave.
But they’re not even embarrassed. To the contrary, being part of the majority makes liberals feel great! Honey, wasn’t I amazing? I stood in a crowd of liberals and called that conservative a c**t. Wasn’t I awesome?
This is a liberal’s idea of raw physical courage.
When someone does fight back, liberals transform from aggressor to victim in an instant, collapsing on the ground and screaming bloody murder. I’ve seen it happen in a nearly empty auditorium when there was quite obviously no other human within 5 feet of the gutless invertebrate.
People incapable of conforming to the demands of civilized society are frightening precisely because you never know what else such individuals are capable of. Sometimes — a lot more often than you’ve heard about — liberals do engage in physical violence against conservatives … and then bravely run away.
That’s why not one person stepped up to aid Beck and his family as they were being catcalled and having wine dumped on them at a nice outdoor gathering.
No one ever steps in. Never, not once, not ever. (Except at the University of Arizona, where college Republicans chased my assailant and broke his collarbone, God bless them.)
Most people are shocked into paralysis at the sight of sociopathic liberal behavior. The only ones who aren’t are the conservative’s bodyguards — and they can’t do anything without risking a lawsuit or an arrest.
My hero Tim Profitt is now facing charges for stopping a physical assault on Senate candidate Rand Paul by a crazed woman disguised in a wig.
But the disturbed liberal whose assault Profitt stopped faces no charges — she instigated the entire confrontation and then instantly claimed victim status. In a better America, the cop would say, “Well, you provoked him.”
Kentucky prosecutors must be very proud of how they so dutifully hew to the letter of the law (except in the case of Paul’s assailant).
Maybe they wouldn’t be such good little rules-followers if they ever, just once, had to face the liberal mob themselves. But if Beck’s own daughter can’t imagine the liberal mob, I suppose prosecutors can’t be expected to, either.
Michael Moore and James Carville can stroll anywhere in America without risking the sort of behavior the Beck family experienced. But all recognizable conservatives are eternally trapped in David Dinkins’ New York: Simply by virtue of leaving their homes, they assume a 20 percent chance of being assaulted.
Bullying is on the rise everywhere in America — and not just because Obama decided to address it. It’s because no one hits back. The message in our entire culture over the last two decades has been: DON’T FIGHT!
There were a lot fewer public confrontations when bullies got their faces smashed.
Maybe it’s time for Beck to pony up some of those millions of dollars he’s earned and hire people to rough up the liberal mob, or, at a minimum, to provide a legal defense to those like Profitt who do.
These liberal pukes have never taken a punch in their lives. A sock to the yap would be an eye-opening experience, and I believe it would do wonders.
They need to have their behavior corrected. It’s a shame this job wasn’t done by their parents. It won’t be done by the police.
As long as liberals can’t be normal and prosecutors can’t be reasonable, how about a one-punch rule against anyone bothering a stranger in public? Then we’ll see how brave these lactose-intolerant mama’s boys are.
Believe me, liberal mobbings will stop very quickly after the first toilet-training champion takes his inaugural punch.
One day liberals will get their comeuppance. God created hell for Satan and his demons and their legion of demonic bureaucrats that are also known as “Democrats.” And it is that belief that there IS a divine justice – and that vengeance is God’s – that separates conservatives from liberals.
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June 30, 2011 at 11:52 am
Anger at mob liberal behavior and anger at the rationalizations given by liberals for mob liberal behavior is justified.
This is spiritual warfare. And the evil spirits are within liberal bodies and minds.
What to do?
June 30, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Truth,
At the very end of this article, I differentiate between Christians and liberals. We DO have a God Who WILL take vengeance; unlike the left, we don’t have to think in terms of vengeance. When these people are burning in hell for all eternity, we will have been justified in Whom we believed and in our efforts to set forth HIS principals.
At the same time, this is literally a war. It IS spiritual warfare on the spiritual side; it is a culture war from the cultural side. IT IS A WAR.
I understand the Christians who want to “remain spiritual” and ignore what is happening to our politics. Because politics is ugly at its best. But at the same time, the principal that “the squeeky wheel gets the grease” is true. And liberals who have squeeked for decades while conservatives largely didn’t get involved (and they DIDN’T until the tea parties) have been able to dominate the agenda FAR in excess of their numbers.
We’re in this situation because conservatives shrank back and let it happen.
Now, I believe the beast is coming soon; I believe we are getting close to the most vicious and evil period in the history of the human race, the tribulation.
The coming of this period is inevitable; it WILL happen. We’ve already seen the script in WWII, during which Europe and Asia ganged up on Western Civilization and Judeo-Christianity in an effort to depose it. It’s coming back again; only NOW it will be Europe and and even MORE powerful Asia AND all the power of ISLAM. And unlike WWII, the Russians will remain on the other side when the battle comes. I see the collapse coming, and I see the end coming with it. Soon.
But it will only happen now if the Church and conservatives don’t rise up and act. We can forestall this catastrophe for our children’s sake. Or not.
One thing I know: not fighting equals losing.
June 30, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Michael,
We pretty much see things the same way. I’m rather thrilled to have chanced upon your blog at random.
“I understand the Christians who want to “remain spiritual” and ignore what is happening to our politics.”
I understand it and at the same time, I’m frustrated by them and sometimes I’m frustrated-angry at them. What gets me going sometimes is when they piously sit on the sidelines venting their seething disdain at the Christians faithfully wearing their Ephesians armor as they vigorously contest the Spirit warriors of the Age.
These “above-it-all” Christians are like the crowd booing the U.S. soccer team. (The U.S. soccer team symbolizing Ephesian armor Christians.)
This can sap the will and morale of the troops. Just like Leftists hating upon Marines and our troops after they’ve put their lives on the line for this country. It saps our spirit and strength when those who are supposed to be supporting “the good guys” are disdainful of “the good guys.”
“We’re in this situation because conservatives shrank back and let it happen.”
You got that right. Partial blame goes to buying into the code of civility.
“One thing I know: not fighting equals losing.”
I’ve always liked that cliche-platitude: “Evil happens when good men do nothing.”
Curious. What do you think of Christians who say we all need to pray more and then that’s all they do? Have you ever met folks like that? What do you say to them?
June 30, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Truth,
If they are TRULY praying, then I’m all for them.
The problem is, few Christians take prayer any more seriously than they do reading their Bibles (which they also hardly do).
If you talk to a few Mormons or a Jehovah’s Witnesses, you quickly learn that they are on a “track.” They have an ideology/theology, and a couple of Scriptures that (taken out of context) might seem to support their view. The Christians you are describing pretty much do the same thing. What I mean is they DON’T have a holistic understanding of Scripture, and by and large they haven’t seriously read their Bibles. But like the Mormons/JWs, they have a rather poor theology and a few “prooftexts” for it.
As for true prayer warriors, God bless ’em. Many of these are older people; they don’t have the bodily strength or energy to get out into public and mix it up. But they DO pray.
The rest of us should pray, also. But God usually calls those who pray to serve Him (with the above about the only exception); and if these people who talk about praying can’t point to some serious Christian service of some kind, I tend to doubt that their prayer life is any more effective than the rest of their lives.
July 1, 2011 at 12:50 am
“We’re in this situation because conservatives shrank back and let it happen.”
Michael, look at this article: The Need for a Militant Conservative Movement and tell me where you’d disagree with the author.
July 1, 2011 at 5:07 am
“Maybe it’s time for Beck to pony up some of those millions of dollars he’s earned and hire people to rough up the liberal mob, or, at a minimum, to provide a legal defense to those like Profitt who do.
These liberal pukes have never taken a punch in their lives. A sock to the yap would be an eye-opening experience, and I believe it would do wonders.”
Funny that Coulter doesn’t advocate that Beck fight back to stop the bullies but that he hire others to do it for him. What’s the matter, Ann, think Beck is too much of a wimp to fight his own battles? What a hypocrit….
July 1, 2011 at 5:33 am
Important post Michael, I’m reading Ann Coulter’s book, “Demonic”. It is excellent.
I watched Glenn Beck when he reported about this hateful treatment toward his family. It was so awful what was done to them.
I hope he moves his family out of NY.
July 1, 2011 at 11:48 am
I hope he does, too.
I hope EVERY person who has any money moves out of New York.
That’s the pointy end of their stupid policies.
July 2, 2011 at 2:12 am
Looks like he is moving to Texas. Good for him!
http://bestplaces.nydailynews.com/voyeur/glenn-beck-move-texas-rents-20000-month-house
July 2, 2011 at 1:27 pm
The socialists are actually that arrogant. I have met lots of them here in Sweden. The reason is that they consider themselves to have the moral rights on their side. You know, caring for the poor, being on the jobless people’s side, etc, gives them the right to attack every one who represents another opinion, like those who have the “terrible” idea that people must learn to study and work hard for their well-being instead of waiting to get it for free, from the government.
Put a great deal of envy and lack of good manners to the “moral rights”, and you have the explanation for this.
Socialist or liberals – no big difference…
July 2, 2011 at 10:01 pm
I remember someone once telling me that the difference between liberals and conservatives was that conservatives believe liberals are wrong; but liberals think conservatives are evil.
Put me firmly in the camp of believing that liberals are evil. Clearly, ONE side is. We have diametrically incompatible visions of the world. Conservatives have the virtue of being on the LORD’S side, versus liberals/socialists who despise Him and everything about Him.
I would actually add something to why liberals feel entitled to so viciously attack conservatives and feel good about themselves for doing it. First off, they are wicked, vile people, and this kind of behavior is the fruit of their character. But second – and maybe more important – because they are hypocrites and fail to live up to their own “virtue” of “tolerance.” Even after they have twisted “tolerance” to suit their agenda, they can’t live up to it.
Hypocrisy defines the left. It is their core essence. It is the water of the ocean they swim in.
July 3, 2011 at 4:58 am
You people are kidding, right? Why are you ignoring the FACT that Ann Coulter advocates hiring mercenaries to violently attack liberals, any liberal. And have any of you actually listened to Glen Beck? He likes to throw violent hate filled rhetoric, but lacks the courage to do so to his adversaries face. He does it from the safety of the radio/tv studio and then acts surprised when he provokes a reaction? These people acted rudely, but I see nowhere in this report where they went any further than Glen, and no where near as far as Ann Coulter in the threats and calls for violence. Bliders off people; you are being duped.
July 3, 2011 at 4:59 am
“Maybe it’s time for Beck to pony up some of those millions of dollars he’s earned and hire people to rough up the liberal mob,”
Someone please tell me why this a peaceful statement by a loveable Christian Conservative.
July 4, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Hey Doug,
You’re a loon.
Ann Coulter was pointing out the behavior typical of liberal union thugs – did you happen to read the title of her piece? This woman – who has repeatedly been shouted down by “tolerant” “free-speech-loving” liberals because liberals are vicious fascists (she can’t even go to Canada because socialists there are totalitarian and refuse to allow Emmanuel Goldstein a chance to speak) – kind of has a point.
I listened to Glenn Beck all the time. I NEVER heard him “throw violent hate rhetoric.” In fact, he frequently lectured his audience NOT to resort to violence.
Why don’t you show me the footage of Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter screaming hate at children and spouses of liberals and throwing wine at them??? Because the people whom you’re attacking don’t do that. Only you and the people LIKE you do that crap.
For the record, Ann Coulter – as anyone with an IQ above 4 who has ever read her knows – is a talented comedienne. She skewers her opponents with facts and then takes a little dramatic comedic license. Anyone who’s read the full article can readily understand why she said what she said in your little pull-quote.
Tell you what though, Doug. You quote Ann Coulter here and demand an end to all the hate and I’ll show you what liberal hate looks like in violent videos.
I want you to notice Ann Coulter says it’s “Glenn Beck vs. the Mob.” And then the above video asks and answers the question, “Who is using mob tactics?” Guess what, loonjob; it aint Ann Coulter.
It’s all to easy to provide the documentation that the leftist union movement has a century of genuine EVIL behind it while you quote Ann Coulter’s comedic barb.
It’s all to easy to provide the documentation that the ACTUAL violence we’re seeing is routinely coming from the left:
July 4, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Glenn Beck is out in the park with his family as a private person – he is not there running a political campaign. Good manners require that he is left alone to enjoy his free time.
And who says that Christians are not allowed to be angry and express that in words? I do it all the time in debates. I am also telling my Christian brothers and sisters in Sweden to do the same. We are too nice to our opponents and we allow them to howl us down. That makes us look uncertain and weak. Atheists, socialist, feminists, liberals are gaining ground on us partly because of that. Enough is enough!
July 5, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Penumbra,
I’ll give an example of illegal immigration to show how and why you are right.
As a conservative, I support and advocate for aggressive measures to seal our border and remove illegal immigrants who are caught committing crimes (any crimes). But at the same time, I also support and advocate for treating individual Hispanics – who of course may or may not be here illegally – with dignity and respect. All the time, liberals claim that to seek to seal our borders or to send illegals back to their home countries is “to hate.” And how dare we hate? The stupidity of liberal tolerance – which they a) turn on its head and pervert it; and b) proceed to hypocritically ignore in their constant demonization – never ceases to amaze me. You wonder how these people’s skulls don’t explode trying to contain all the massive contradictions.
I think of 2 Chronicles 19:2 which points out, “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the LORD? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the LORD.” And that’s exactly what too many “Christians” do; they fear the liberal passive-aggressive tyranny trip, they fear being labeled, they buy into “logic” that is frankly demonic, and then they not only turn the other cheek when they OUGHT to be overturning the tables, but they actually help the wicked pursue wickedness. And then of course they wonder why things keep going from bad to worse to still worse.
July 6, 2011 at 2:30 am
The immigration issue is big in Sweden (and the rest of the richer European countries) but very much ignored by the current liberal government. When it comes to immigration, there is no difference between the former social democrats and the present liberals.
My view is that we still have to give protection to people that really need that, but we must have in mind that the majority who come to us have paid big money to professional human smugglers and are here for the economic benefits, rather than because there were risking their lives in their own countries.
With that, we have increased government spending, criminality, prostitution, drugs abuse and all that. But the biggest problem is that these people come from the Muslim world in North Africa, Middle East, Afghanistan, etc, with cultural backgrounds that are very, VERY, different from the Northwestern European.
The integration politics does not work; it is actually a big joke. In the future we may very well face full-scale ethnic problems and social unrest because of that. And that will also be a good example of liberals trying to do well but achieving the opposite, because their ideas are not rooted in the reality.
July 6, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Penumbra,
My view is that politically we should stand up against illegal immigration and do everything we can to eliminate it. We should also (in the US) end the stupid policy enacted by LBJ and Ted Kennedy in 1965 and go back to an immigration system based on SKILLS and our need for skilled workers/professionals rather than on allowing whole families of unskilled immigrants in who produce little and consume much.
At the same time that I am voting to build a secure border fence and have the US military patrol our border as a national security issue, I believe that I personally as an individual should be gracious to ALL people, even if some of them are here illegally.
According to the left, that is impossible. I want to stop illegal immigration, therefore I am a “hater.” But I assure you that it is very easy indeed to work hard on a political level to reduce something that is destroying our country and work just as hard on a personal/individual level to help people in need.
July 21, 2011 at 11:14 am
You’re not a “hater” Michael, you’re just plain right! We absolutely can stop illegal immigration and still help the needy in this country. But like Pilate, our politicians are afraid of the people and their reactions. There should be a penalty of some sort for treating ANYONE in public the way they treated Glenn Beck. I don’t care what party one belongs to or what their political views are, you’re just an ANIMAL if you treat anyone that way. My father was murdered by a heroin addict in his own kitchen, and call me crazy, but I think of going to the jail to tell him about Christ. I don’t think any of these people that hate Conservatives and heckle them in public have that gene in their hearts, to “love outside of the box”. Tragically, they’ll be weeping and gnashing their teeth. They’re going to cry out to God and He is not going to hear them. I wish I had been in that park when Glenn was there; I would have stood up for him. This is supposed to be America. He’s supposed to be able to go to the park and have a nice time with his family and not be treated cruelly, solely based on his political stance. Unbelieveable….
July 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Margarita,
First of all, I am so saddened by the loss of your father. I can’t even imagine the pain and the struggles you’ve had to endure as a result of his life being stolen from you.
Second, praise God for putting that kind of love in your heart that you would even so much as THINK about going to the jail to tell the wretched man who took him from you about Christ.
On my small perspective on forgiveness, I believe that it consists of two parts: 1) renouncing the right to take revenge (because vengeance is God’s and you choose to let HIM repay); and 2) the decision to forgive based on confession and repentence.
I have never had to forgive such a terrible sin as what you have been forced to endure. I don’t know what I would do; I can only praise Jesus that you have His love in your heart.
As for your primary point,
You know, in my blogging I rail at liberals, liberalism and Democrats. And I call prominent liberals out by name. But I’m not out to “target” them. I don’t want people going to their homes and hurting them; I CERTAINLY don’t want their familes attacked. And that goes even further toward “garden variety” liberals. I’m not personally attacking “Steve who lives on 6th St. in Philadelphia.” That said, I routinely get comments from liberals who seem to think I personally attacked them. Happens quite often.
There is a tightrope. We’ve got our pacifists who say that Christians should NEVER defend themselves. And we’ve got the radical left who are ready to go to any lengths to advance their agenda, including violence and most definitely including hate. I believe we need to be balanced. As Ecclesiastes 3 says, “To everything there is a season.” There is a time to turn the other cheek, and there is a time to fight. And it takes a wise man/woman to know the difference.
Attacking people’s families is something crime gangs do. It is clearly beyond the pale of either righteous or even reasonable behavior.
July 22, 2011 at 2:01 am
Michael, I find your perspective on forgiveness interesting. Regarding part 2, what if someone has sinned against you, yet does not repent or confess even if you address it with them. Do you think you should forgive and put the matter in the Lord’s hands to judge and take vengeance on the wrong doer?
Thanks.
July 22, 2011 at 5:38 am
The funny thing about forgiveness is how different people view it. The Bible does instruct us to take the matter to the person who offended you and make your claim to him/her, just between the two of you. On Christian radio, they made it quite clear that the bible is directing us to inform the other person, “Hey, you have sinned, and the consequences should be that I never speak to you again (an example), but I will forgive you.” They spoke of a pattern of rebuking the person and not simply letting them off the hook, but letting them know that they have sinned against you, that there should be bad consequences, but that you have chosen to forgive them. If you make your case before the congregation or church with that person and they still will not acknowledge their wrong doing, I believe they are ostracized. Myself personally, I have a different view. I take the approach that I’m not Holy and the only one who a person can sin against is God, who is Holy. Vengeance belongs to Him. Love, charity and mercy were the biggest commandments following the commandment to love The Lord with all your mind, might, strength and heart. When someone sins against me, so to speak, I think about how later on that night, I’m going to be praying to a Holy God who I can’t even approach without my Mediator, I’m so filthy before Him. And being His daughter, I want Him to look upon me and forgive my filthiness and have mercy and compassion and love for me. How can I expect these things from my Holy Father if I can’t even give them to others? I must give exceptional mercy to receive exceptional mercy. And the fact that I never had the ability to give exceptional mercy until He gave it to me, that’s all the more reason to give exceptional mercy. When I do things like that, my ultimate goal is for them to see the Jesus in me. I want them to see Him. And in order for that to happen, and also for me to be able to pray for forgiveness and mercy, I have to say to people who sin against me, “Hey, I forgot about that already. I forgave you yesterday!” Even if they didn’t repent, even if they never acknowledged their wrong doing, even if they never apologize. True forgiveness is from the heart, and as long as I have forgiven and harbor no ill feeling toward that individual, I can pray at night. On the other subject, we’re supposed to be bold on this planet. We are not supposed to just shut our mouths and not defend The Word and The Lord. When we do this and we fear man and his reaction, we are guilty of idolatry and of putting our fear of man before our obedience to God. We should be more concerned with what God thinks and wants of us than what man is going to say or do to us. Glenn isn’t a closet thinker. He’s very vocal with his opinion and his views and I don’t think he should be punished or treated badly for it. I have to agree with Michael when he says they’re lunatics. If it walks like a duck and looks like a duck……chances are………!
July 22, 2011 at 9:06 pm
HL,
I believe that there are two levels of forgiveness. And which level you can reach largely depends on the person who sinned against you.
Allow me to preface what I will say by first pointing out that even GOD does not fully forgive the unrepentent sinner. That person goes to hell after being judged and condemned. Which is to say that full forgiveness depends on confession of sin and repentence.
With that, let me say that with all who sin against us, our attitude should be, “Lord, I renounce the right to take vengeance into my own hands. I turn this over to YOU, Lord. YOU judge this person. I trust YOU with this.”
If you truly have a heart filled with love, you may well begin praying that the Lord work on the heart of the one who wronged you. David actually prays prayers of vengeance (e.g. Psalm 35). But what David really wanted was VINDICATION – to be shown to be righteous against the wickedness of his enemies – rather than mere revenge. It takes true Christian love to be able to pray that God would change the heart of an enemy and make him/her a friend, rather than praying that God will strike that person down instead!!!
But being a Christian doesn’t mean wearing a “kick me” sign. For example, if a man rapes a Christian woman, she should not put herself into a position where he could rape her again. She should protect herself from him as best she can. In the same way, if you loan money to someone and they don’t repay you, and then they want to borrow more money from you, you shouldn’t “forgive” him and loan him that money. That would be foolish.
When a person admits they were wrong, and offers you an apology, and shows signs of having repented (the word in Greek means “to turn around,” wihich is to say that this person’s attitude and actions have shown some change), you should restore the relationship.
So, on that understanding, I’m ALWAYS willing to forgive. And I always DO forgive – to the extent that I at least turn over my wrath to the Lord. But to FULLY restore a relationship in all things depends on that person’s repentence.
That’s my understanding.
July 22, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Margarita,
You surely do state a number of very biblical concepts. No doubt about it.
I provide HL (who asked) a slightly broader view of what I believe is the biblical concept of forgiveness. Even God Himself doesn’t forgive the unrepentet wicked, and of course GOD is more forgiving than any human can ever be!!! I do not believe He calls us to do that which we know He Himself does not do (i.e. fully restore relationship with the unrepentent wicked). And I see two levels/degrees of forgiveness. We should forgive everyone to the extent that we give God the right to take revenge (while renouncing revenge ourselves); and we should be willing to fully restore relationsip with one who has truly repented.
As you speak of your awareness of your OWN sin (that too is right from the essence of the Bible and Chsitian teaching), you reminded me of a parable I devised to try to explain the same concept:
I agree with you that when we are aware of our own sin and our own frailty, it takes away our self-righteous hoity-toityness that often gets in the way of our being able to put things into perspective and forgive. Because we should know that WE OURSELVES have done some of the same things that offend us so when others do those things to us.
July 23, 2011 at 2:33 am
Well said, Michael, thank you.
July 23, 2011 at 3:31 am
About the tragedy in Norway
Dear Christian brothers and sisters,
You have probably by now heard about the murders in Norway, which is a good neighbor to Sweden and our Scandinavian brothers. The murderer has been identified as the 32 year old Anders Behring Breivik, Norwegian by birth. The police have not confirmed it, yet, but we can trust the Norwegian press.
The man is presented in the press as a right-wing Christian. I do not represent the right-wing Christians in Scandinavia, and there is barely an organized right-wing Christian movement at all here. I can only speak for myself and say, that I strongly condemn all kind of physical violence, regardless purpose or meaning. I am devastated by these events.
I think that my views are shared by all conservative Christians in Scandinavia except by those with distorted minds.
God bless the victims, the survivors, their relatives and the Norwegian nation!
July 23, 2011 at 9:27 am
Dear Prenumbra, It has been horrifying to see the pictures coming out of Norway. I find myself praying for mercy for those involved.
May our Lord Jesus have mercy upon you and comfort you in your devastation. No true Christian would inflict violence as has been done in these atrocious acts. Truth loving people know this.
The man who did these acts was not a Christian.
July 23, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Penumbra,
It is a shock what happend. When I heard the news I immediately thought of you (even though I know you’re in Sweden) because you are in that general part of Europe and I frankly really don’t know anyone closer.
It’s a tragedy no matter WHAT the murderous psycho’s rationale, of course.
That said, I have heard it now repeatedly said that this was like the Oklahoma City bombing.
Want to point out for the record that the Oklahoma City bomber (Timothy McVeigh) – who has repeatedly been described as a “Christian” by the media – was NOT a Christian. See: https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/terrorism-stop-calling-timothy-mcveigh-a-christian/
And it seems that the SAME thing is being done here.
Anders Behring Breivik was a nationalist who wanted a return to Norwegian culture, NOT a Christian.
As an example, we find that his “Christian” status was manufactured AFTER the fact. See: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/who-added-christian-and-conservative-to-norway-shooters-facebook-page-yesterday.html
See also: http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2011/07/knights-templar-2083-by-anders-behring-breivik-the-freemason-fundamentalist/
When you ask the question, “What is a Christian?” or “What does it mean to be a Christian?” The answer is that a Christian is one who confesses sin and who confesses the divine Son of God Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord by faith. From what I understand, there is absolutely NOTHING of this in Breivik’s writings.
This is important, because we need to do what the Muslims largely will NOT do. We need to forcefully repudiate pseduo-Christians, explain how our faith has nothing to do with them – using the Bible to prove this – and then specifically DENOUNCE them.
Knowing that there will be those who blame Christians and conservatives for what this guy did, I will be praying for your divine protection and for divinely-given wisdom in your interactions, Penumbra.
July 23, 2011 at 10:22 pm
HL,
You’re most welcome.
July 24, 2011 at 9:56 am
Thank you, HL! God bless you!
July 24, 2011 at 10:03 am
Michael, sir, the press here is talking about similarities with the Oklahoma bomber, but it has become clear that many of his ideas come from the Unna bomber, Ted Kaczynski. Anders Breivik have apparently published some sort of manifesto on the Internet just hours before the attack, where he literally quotes large parts of Kaczynski’s manifesto which, what I understand, has been published in 1995 in New York Times and Washington Post.
Breivik’s attack was against the Norwegian government and the ruling party. His motives are to bring the nation to focus on the immigration issue and start a debate. And the really creepy thing is that this was exactly what I was trying to explain in my post on July 6. But I could never imagine that this will happen so soon and in such a big scale. Unfortunately, I believe that violence in connection with the immigration from the Muslim world will increase in Europe in the future.
However, the press has stopped calling the man “right-wing Christian”, thank God! The Swedish press never misses an opportunity to criticize the Christian believers, especially the evangelical Christians. The guy thought of himself as a knight templar and the press has realized that this is just his fantasies.
I want also to make myself clear on the subject of using violence. Using violence in self-defense and to save lives is something that I support. It took more than an hour for the Norwegian police to enter the island and by that time this man had killed 84 young people and injured about the same quantity. When the police arrived, he had already run out of ammo! People from neighboring shores came with boats but could do nothing else than pick up those who had dared to swim away from the shore (the water in the North Atlantic is cold, even during the summer). Nobody had weapons or the training to do something about the guy.
I am saying this because I remember a discussion you had regarding weapons for self-defense in connection with the attack on Gabrielle Gifford.
OK, enough of this. I know you are facing difficult financial problems in the US, so you have your own issues to address. The Euro is also in trouble, but thank God, Sweden is not a member of the Euro zone, so we are not paying for the bail out of the Greeks, not at the moment anyway.
God bless you Michael! I enjoy reading your blog a lot.
July 24, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Penumbra,
The story in Norway is rather huge here in the US.
I’ve seen several news reports that prominently display the “cross” of the knights templar without explaining more about it. But other than that, I haven’t heard any “right wing Christian” comparisons here the last couple days either, now that you mention it.
It makes it harder to call him a “Christian” when he rants for 1,500 pages without ever bothering to talk about Jesus or his “faith,” I guess.
I just heard on Fox News that he actually still HAD plenty of ammo, but surrendered to the police as soon as they showed up. As much as he wanted to kill others for his own cause, he didn’t want to die for it, is what’s being reported here. That said, I don’t trust the media enough to truly believe I’m getting the truth from them anyway.
The anti-gun people say if the killer didn’t have a gun he couldn’t have killed all those people (of course, he could have killed a lot more with his 6 tons of explosive fertilizer!). The gun-rights people point out that if just a couple of those poor victims on that island had been armed, the killer would have been taken down – or not even TRIED his murder spree to begin with. In the US, states and cities that have concealed carry and open gun laws have MUCH lower gun crime rates than those that try to take guns away.
For me, gun rights are a part of AMERICAN culture. I wouldn’t try to argue that England should have an armed citizentry. But as long as we’ve got our Constitution, we’ve got our 2nd Amendment. And the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to prevent government tyranny. The idea was that in other parts of the world, the [unarmed] people needed to fear their armed government; but in the USA, the government needed to fear the [armed] people. And that an armed people would rise up against tyranny.
In agreeing with your point about using violence to stop violence, I would amend Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s famous quote, “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil” to “Doing nothing in the face of evil is itself evil.” It is also evil for a government to demand that people not be allowed to protect themselves so that they become sheep in a slaughter pen when the wolf shows up.
I am beginning to realize that conservatives in America need to be ready for violence; but that being when the LEFT uses violence. It has ALWAYS been the political left that has resorted to violence in the United States. But CONSERVATIVES SHOULD NEVER USE VIOLENCE TO ADVANCE OUR CAUSE.
The US is in a lot of trouble. It is one big fat giant Greece. Mind you, they keep putting a bandaid over Greece’s jugular bleeding and saying they’ve fixed the problem…
July 27, 2011 at 2:44 am
I found this page at the top of the list when I googled “vile stupid republicans”. Congratulations.
July 27, 2011 at 5:24 am
I suppose I could say that at least I’m somebody, and that you’re an absolute nobody who will NEVER be anybody.
Other than that, I wouldn’t want to waste my time with a complete waste of fecal matter such as you.
When liberals do their idiot drive-by stupidity without having the intelligence to leave an actual comment about an article, I block them. Bye bye.
June 25, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Such misguided sheep following and believeing Beck for being a false prophet. Conservatisim is not a religion any more than Liberal is not. Abraham Lincoln was a liberal conservative, but the republicans ran individual thinkers and ideas out of their party as they have become a cult of one idea, in goose-step with one voice. You’re all so misguided I can’t believe we let out children become this way – from the indoctrination in bible school to Jesus Camp to Young Republicans to Liberty College and other brainwashing centers – the Right-Wing Nuzis are not American and their not Christians – they’re a cult of religious righteousness based not on faith or intelligence, but blind allegiance.
June 25, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Koch Bros. Retreat Lesson 1: Film and disrupt events – this will make Liberals look crazy and out of control.
Koch Bros. Retreat Lesson 2: post them and blame the other side, the uneducated will see what we want them to see – truth is not necessarilly to believe your eyes.
June 25, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Hey, that was pretty good. Let’s see if I can do that, too.
Obama campaign lesson 1: worship the devil and pray Beelzebub will give communists victory so all white people will be murdered.
Obama campaign lesson 2: use Obama’s kill lists and the predator drones he’s brought into America to murder every conservative who gets in Obama’s way.
Yeah, that’s a pretty easy way to do things. I don’t need any actual facts or anything. All I have to do from now on is just start spouting off crap just like you.
Basically, what you’re really saying in your incredibly demagogic take on the Koch Bros. is that there is something wrong with conservatives exposing liberals being liberals. We don’t have to “make liberals look crazy and out of control”; they do that pretty damn well all by themselves. And, yeah, if there is such a thing as “personal responsibility” – which I know you emphatically deny – then to “post them” and reveal liberals FOR what they are so that average people with any degree of common sense whatsoever will see just how vile you people truly are.
So when, for example, five Occupy guys try to blow up a bridge in Cleveland, Ohio and OWS is all over it, it’s wrong for us to point out the facts. And of course the fact that Occupy has had this kind of stuff over and over and over again shouldn’t mean anything; and of course the fact that the Tea Party never had ANYTHING EVER happen like this shouldn’t mean anything. And of course the fact that hypocrite swine like yourself tried to demonize the Tea Party for two years and never found anything shouldn’t mean anything. And of course the fact that you’re actually complaining now about our posting the actual facts now after all of that demonization of the Tea Party shouldn’t mean anything. Etc. etc.
But you’re clearly “educated,” so you think clearly in the most biased leftist ideological way possible. So you’re immune to common sense.
In this case, there is absolutely no question whatsoever what happened. Any fool (present company excluded, of course) can see that Glenn Beck and his family sat down in a park and got assaulted by a bunch of fascists. So it’s the truth that makes you look like dirt.
Let’s take a look at the left being the left:
You see, dumbass, the difference between you and me is that you just say a bunch of crap and make up your own “facts.” I actually go to the trouble of DOCUMENTING what I’m saying with the truth.
June 25, 2012 at 2:25 pm
JazzyJim,
Here’s Glenn Beck pointing out who was a false prophet when he told anybody who would listen that Egypt would soon belong to the Muslim Brotherhood and got mocked for it by utterly worthless fools such as yourself: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/06/24/glenn-beck-blasts-david-brooks-mocking-his-egypt-prediction-after-mub
Yeah, liberalism IS a religion, and truth is the enemy to that religion such that anybody who tells the truth is a “false prophet.”
Abraham Lincoln was the first REPUBLICAN president of the United States. He literally had to fight a WAR against your Democrat Party to free the slaves. We continued to see the Republican Party as the friends of individual freedom and the Democrat Party as the party in opposition to that freedom (PARTICULARLY when it came to black people) through the 20th century, when: 1) Woodrow Wilson REsegregated the US government and the military; 2) the 1924 Democrat National Convention was so racist and so dominated by the Ku Klux Klan that it was called “Klanbake”; 3) FDR imposed his New Deal which was filled with union segregationism; 4) we continued to see Republicans favoring real Civil Rights for blacks FAR more than did Democrats.
Next, to call somebody a “liberal conservative” is a contradiction in terms. It is like calling somebody a short tall guy or a slow fast guy; if you are “conservative” you CAN’T be “liberal” and if you are “liberal” you CAN’T be “conservative.” Maybe Lincoln was a dishonest truthteller, too Maybe he was a destructive builder. Maybe he was a warmongering peacelover. If you’re trying to call Lincoln a “moderate,” in the course of that war Lincoln was forced to suspend Habeus Corpus – which only an abject idiot like you would say was a “moderate” thing for him to do. So it is still a ridiculous assertion.
Your last few sentences simply reveal that you are more intolerant than the people you denounce as intolerant, which is another way of saying you are a pure hypocrite. You want to take over children and forbid parents from teaching their own kids, do you? And teach them only what YOU want other people’s kids to learn? And the guy saying this has the balls to call Christian parents “brainwashed” and “Nazis”? It’s just amazing. Thank you for revealing yet again that the core component of liberalism is abject personal hypocrisy along with hatred of God, Jesus Christ, the Bible and anything else that is decent.
Now, while you clearly think you’re a reasonable fellow for wanting to take my children away from me to put them in a reeducation camp and brainwash them, you know, under the guise of keeping them from being brainwashed, I think that given what you’ve already said you are not worth trying to have any sort of conversation with. So kindly get lost.